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Tigers to sue NRL, maybe

yappy

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Tidus_Raider said:
Ofcourse i'm going to use this argument. You seem to think that 400, 000 people living in Macarthur equates to a die hard RL population. Let me remind you that these people are moving from other areas to Macarthur. And most of the people moving are young families in inner-sydney unable to pay big bucks for an inner city house so they go to the outskirts where property is much cheaper. Wouldn't these "supporters" already follow a club. Why should they jump onto the Western Suburbs bandwagon?

OF course people are moving in, but what do they do when they get here? They have children. That's why we have the youngest population profile of the city. They go with dad to the local ground and become lifelong supporters, it's pretty simple if you can think beyond 1+1. This is an argument of why the team should be here for the next 50-100 years. Short term don't mean sh*t - it's the long term that matters. You're so obsessed by next week you can't see beyond your own nose.

We differ greatly then on the interpretation of what a good crowd is. I'll leave it at that.
that's fair enough, but it sounds like a lot of teams fall a long way short of your standards for crowds. Maybe we should just stop mucking about and cut them? It's been 10 years since the Raiders ever managed a home average over 15k so they should go.

Make up you mind. Does it stop at one or two or does it include St George and Illawarra. And if all those clubs are brought back (which totals 4) then there is no doubt going to be a push for Norths to be brought back in.

You are not talking about 17 or 18. You are taking about possibly 21 teams.

What happened to one or two teams? First it's Wests. Then Balmain. Then the Saints and the Steelers and now it's North Sydney. North Sydney is NOT a relocated side by the way.

ok as you clearly failed kindergarten maths I'll take it s l o w. If Wests and Balmain come back that isn't two new teams, it's 1. Wests + Balmain = Wests Tigers + 1, are following this? Net gain ONE team. Unless of course you're thinking that we'd have Wests, Balmain, AND the Wests Tigers all running around at the same time.

Can I just check you've got that? Most of the rest of your posts seem to indicate you are literate at least, but not so numerate eh?

So Wests, Balmain and Norths = 18 teams (inc gold coast) an NET gain of 2. I've already said I don't believe St Gilla want to split, they haven't made any noises about it, but even if they did that would still only be a further net gain of ONE. If all the JV's split (which I don't believe is likely), and all the teams were reinstated along with GC you are still only at 19, where the hell did you get 21 from man?

If regional clubs can't find sponsors because all the sponsorship dollars are being eatne up by Sydney clubs we might as well run a Sydney Rugby League.

It's a wrong headed argument. Regional clubs will always be at a disadvantage to Sydney clubs, because far more business is based in Sydney. It wouldn't matter if there were only one Sydney club it wouldn't make Sydney businesses go out and sponsor regional clubs. It just don't work like that. More Sydney clubs actually makes it easier for the regional clubs to compete with them rather than less. The regional clubs just don't attract the big companies. They will always need to generate the vast majority of their sponsorship money close to home. Sydney clubs just don't compete in the same sponsorship pool as the regionals except at the margins.

Now you are contradicting yourself. Above you said that the 1997 competition was so uneven partly beacause of the amount of team therefore the playing talent was spread thin. Now your saying players grow on trees. If that's the case then why don't QLD cup players have NRL contracts? Why aren't all country players contracted to clubs. Why do clubs like the Roosters, Raiders and Melbourne have to go scouting for players in QLD? Players might grow on trees, but the reason the NRL is as exciting as it is is because we have the cream of the crop. Lets have 3 or 4 more teams, but if you think the playing standard will remain the same the you dreaming. How many good halfbacks are running around? How many good front rowers?

No contradiction at all. Again it's short term versus long term. There used to be 12 clubs. They added your mob and Illawarra. For a few years you struggled but you were smart and developed your juniors, then kids like Daley, Lazzo, and Clyde came along. It didn't take that long. It happens with all clubs, some faster than others. Of course there would be a drop in the short term - I have never once denied it, but so what? Short term pain for long term gain - it's the way of any investment in any walk of life. Of course the next year the number of top quality halves is a fair chance of not going up, just because the new teams have come in, but then again it might. Bringing the Mariners in gave Kimmorley the chance to be a first grader that he was never going to get at the Knights. That's what I'm talking about. Guys playing reggies somewhere get a shot somewhere else and turn out to better than anyone expected - it happens each and every year. More teams would just accelerate it.

Since when is Liverpool part of the Macarthur area. If anything then Liverpool is above all else Bulldogs territory.

Never said it was part of the Macarthur region, it's an adjoining region that is as much part of Wests territory as Macarthur, hence Liverpool - Macarthur. Just because the dogs were looking to take it over doesn't make it Bulldog territory. Liverpool has always been part of Wests Junior territory since the move to Campbelltown. We should always have done more in that end of our territory, but it's Wests territory.
 

yappy

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LeagueXIII said:
18 teams with Perth and Wellington entering further down the track. All bases covered.

Personally I'd reckon a second Brisbane team is a higher priority. Qld should have 4 teams and Brisbane 2 of them.
 

simon says

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LeagueXIII said:
Balmain to Brisbane as East Coast Tigers?


Errr,no thanks.....we aren t going anywhere.

If we did have to split Id much prefer CC....there are a lot of Tiger fans that have left the city and moved there.

But please,no more relocation......its just wrong.
 

yappy

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If that's what they wanted, and Brisbane wanted them. I think Balmain would want to have a real good go of making it in Sydney first before they even thought along those lines though. Not too sure how Brisbane would take it, but the Lions seem to be pretty well accepted (triple premierships can tend to do that). Can't see it myself.

If instead of the farcical way the NRL has handled the Gold Coast if they simply identified Brisbane as a future expansion target and called for expressions of interest then they'd get with a whole bunch of good bids and end up with another super club that would take the game in Brisbane to a whole other level. So long as the draw ensured all four sides played each other home and away you'd have 12 monster games each year. That surely brings more to the game than a Perth would. Perth and Adelaide are very long, long term projects.
 

yappy

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simon says said:
Errr,no thanks.....we aren t going anywhere.

If we did have to split Id much prefer CC....there are a lot of Tiger fans that have left the city and moved there.

But please,no more relocation......its just wrong.

That's it eh Simo. You'd probably do it if you had no choice, but you can't force it. Still if there are good and long term incentives for a Sydney side to open up a non league area you'd have a long hard look. But it's hard. Both the league teams that have tried it got culled by the NRL and we only moved 50-100km.
 

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yappy said:
Never said it was part of the Macarthur region, it's an adjoining region that is as much part of Wests territory as Macarthur, hence Liverpool - Macarthur. Just because the dogs were looking to take it over doesn't make it Bulldog territory. Liverpool has always been part of Wests Junior territory since the move to Campbelltown. We should always have done more in that end of our territory, but it's Wests territory.

Well if Liverpool is part of the Wests territory, than howcome suberbs in Liverpool like the East Hills, Holsworthy, Chipping Norton, Moorebank, Hammondville, ANZAC Village and Wattle Grove are in the Bulldogs Junior comp?
 

innsaneink

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LeagueXIII said:
I would rather relocation then merger.

Ive had both......

Damn ...why cant I just be happy with my dysfunctional family, I gotta have a dysfunctional footy team as well..............:rolleyes:
 

yappy

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AlexM said:
Well if Liverpool is part of the Wests territory, than howcome suberbs in Liverpool like the East Hills, Holsworthy, Chipping Norton, Moorebank, Hammondville, ANZAC Village and Wattle Grove are in the Bulldogs Junior comp?

East of the Georges River is Dog territory, West is Wests.
 

galahs

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It is good to see a lively debate :)

Personally if the Wests Tigers JV splits, I can't see Balmain Tigers having a market in the Sydney area and I don't think the NRL would let them in any case.

Why are we calling for a split of the Tigers, I just want a team based out of Campbelltown (though the Magpies would be my prefered option, I can compromise and support the tigers). They could even play 4 games a year out of Leichardt (gee, I'm a nice guy!!!)

The real enemy is TEL$TRA STADIUM!!!!

Why the hell does everybody want to play out of there. I know its because they are being payed to, but this is such a short sited benefit. We need to take the game to the fans. Wests fans are at Campbelltown and Leichardt. Souths fans are in the southern suburbs of Sydney. NOT at Homebush!!!

Lets go back to my junior footy days playing for Camden Rams JRLFC. I admired watching the Qld state of origin players style of play. I was a huge supporter of the Broncos. But when the magpies players came to visit my footy training, the same players I had seen running around at Orana Park, I always new that if I ever became good enough to play 1st grade football, I would want to play for the magpies.

As my dream of playing 1st grade football faded, what still lived on? My support for the magpies!

Making the game accessible to the juniors achieves the following:
- Provided a side to look up to and admire.
- Promotes the health benefits, team bonding and the character building that sport provides.
- Creates pride in where they are from (Self pride is what the Macarthur area is really missing at the moment)
- Makes loyal supporters and builds communities.

Having a part time RL team at Campbelltown means many juniors switch to soccer or other codes because they dont have that same dream that only personal contact can create. Instead the marketing of other codes and the awareness of the Harry Kewells, George Greegans and the Tony Locketts may win out.

When I played football in the penrith junior competition everybody wanted to be selected to play for the Panthers. They had that pride in their regional team. Penrith and the Macarthur have a very similart demographic, it just seems the Macarthur needs an identity to embrace (culture).

Wests started building those foundations when they moved to Campbelltown in 1987, but unfortunately SuperLeague and player cost blow-outs destroyed that dream ever coming true. The NQ Cowboys took ten years to come good. Wests made the semi's a couple of times in the 90's but failed to go any further. By 1997 all that they had started to build was smashed. Now it's time to start again.

I can accept the merger, but I can't accept playing half our home games at TEL$TRA Stadium, and dividing the last 6 home games up evenly between Campbelltown and Leichardt.

Meanwhile a talented winger in Narellan Jets JRLFC, isn't at Campbelltown Stadium on a sunday watching a quality game of Rugby League, where he could be picking up skills, watching how they pass the ball out wide, how effective dummies, sidesteps and grubber kicks are. He's at home watching the World Game on SBS thinking how much he'd love to be a star player for Manchester united.

The Macarthur wants its side back. The NRL needs a Macarthur side. What's the problem?
 

simon says

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Agree on the Telstra deal........footy in the suburbs is what its all about IMO.

All i want is my half and half split back to LO/CS.

An 8/4 maybe.....but 3/3/6 is poopoo.
 

galahs

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"3/3/6 is poopoo."

Here here!!!

I personally think an 8/4 is currently the way to go.

How long is the Tel$tra Stadium deal for?
 

innsaneink

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Telstra deal ends 2007.

Ive been arguing for a 66/33% split Cambo /LO for over a year now, mainly as a means to get Cambo Council to upgrade, theyve stated I believe they'll upgrade lighting, scoreboard corporate areas, big screen if someone moves there permanently.


Surely Cambo Cncl would be agreeable to 7 or 8 games there, but then who knows....if WT's took that proposal to them I'd be interested to see their response, because I feel they are stalling and using the JV 50-50 split as an excuse not to put any $$$ into CS.

Its the growth area of our two areas, it deserves the majority of games there, Wests have two thirds the juniors, infrastructure is going up in the area as we speak, its growing,its the future and deserves to be prominent.

50-50 is holding this thing back, people cant see it.

I find this thread somewhat amusing tho, agendas all over the joint
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:lol:
 

yappy

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agendas?

moi?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

(wtf is an agneda? wasn't it the chunky blonde chick from ABBA?)
 

LeagueXIII

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Yes, but they are not hidden. Magpies can manage without the tigers maybe ten years ago they couldn't but the JV has allowed them time to get their house in order.
 

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