Time for Moylan to 5/8

[Luke Bowden]

Cleary looked very average preseason against NSW cup players. 9 or so NYC games later in which he plays great football he slots into FG at 19 in pretty much the hardest position to play and is going great. Point being you can't really tell how they're going to go until they're in there. SL may not be NRL but its not NYC either, and Hardaker has been flat out starring there and over a decent chunk of time. There's every reason to throw him in there at FB, he's as good a bet as it comes. The risk is low, so what if he bombs? And the potential gain is very high.

Tomkins was a disappointment, but that's because he came with a million dollar price tag. And Tomkins came with doubts over his hands (bomb handling) and defence/size, which just proved true. Hardaker comes without those sorts of doubts.

I realise it's picking hairs, but Cleary is 18 and play a couple of reserve grade games before moving into FG. I only mention it because you are selling Clearys awesome performance a bit short.

Hardaker is a better player than Tomkins, he is now the preferred Engalnd fullback.

 

[betcats]

Cleary looked very average preseason against NSW cup players. 9 or so NYC games later in which he plays great football he slots into FG at 19 in pretty much the hardest position to play and is going great. Point being you can't really tell how they're going to go until they're in there. SL may not be NRL but its not NYC either, and Hardaker has been flat out starring there and over a decent chunk of time. There's every reason to throw him in there at FB, he's as good a bet as it comes. The risk is low, so what if he bombs? And the potential gain is very high.

Tomkins was a disappointment, but that's because he came with a million dollar price tag. And Tomkins came with doubts over his hands (bomb handling) and defence/size, which just proved true. Hardaker comes without those sorts of doubts.

I wouldn't mind trying on the wing first, same potential gain but a bit less risk to our chances of winning if he does bomb, but I don't know much at all about him or SL so it's hard to advocate throwing him straight in. He certainly looks like an athlete.

 

[maple_69]

Put him at wing at the expense of DWZ? DWZ to the centres? DWZ to fullback? Why has everyone gone cold on Gennings. He's been for for 6 weeks or so now and killing it. Not sure why he's not thrown around as a next drop for wing.

 

[franklin2323]

I wouldn't mind seeing more of DWZ in the centres. Genning just needs a run of injury free to be back in the side

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Hardaker is equally comfortable filling any of the outside back positions.There has also been some talk it could entice Griffin to fast-track Matt Moylan into the halves, where many believe the skipper will eventually end up anyway.
Griffin immediately ruled that out.

“I haven’t brought him here to do that,” Griffin said.
“I am being straight up with you, I haven’t brought him here to play fullback and move Moylan to five-eighth.
“He can play anywhere in the outside backs and we are obviously down a few there.
“We have had Peach trying to teach him how to play centre and Waqa (Blake) is

“They are both doing a good job but if one of them goes down we have nothing, we are back to kids.” going okay.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/692df57fc1ca21d1f69be5a651bd0f0f


That looks to have ended the talk about Moylan moving to six at the moment.

 

[Buzzard Breath]

I wouldn't mind seeing more of DWZ in the centres.

+ 1

Liked what I saw of him last year playing in the centres against Cronulla. Obviously would need to work on his defence but I thought his attack in the centres had promise.

 

[mxlegend99]

Hardaker is equally comfortable filling any of the outside back positions.There has also been some talk it could entice Griffin to fast-track Matt Moylan into the halves, where many believe the skipper will eventually end up anyway.
Griffin immediately ruled that out.

?I haven?t brought him here to do that,? Griffin said.
?I am being straight up with you, I haven?t brought him here to play fullback and move Moylan to five-eighth.
?He can play anywhere in the outside backs and we are obviously down a few there.
?We have had Peach trying to teach him how to play centre and Waqa (Blake) is

?They are both doing a good job but if one of them goes down we have nothing, we are back to kids.? going okay.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/692df57fc1ca21d1f69be5a651bd0f0f


That looks to have ended the talk about Moylan moving to six at the moment.

We wont even consider Matt Moylan at 5/8th even though it has been talked up almost since his debut as where his career will be headed. But we will however use the likes of Peachey and Cartwright despite them definitely bot having a future there.

He was all for moving Josh Hoffman from fullback to the halves despite no ball playing ability. But not Matt Moylan whose greatest strength is ball playing. :roll:

He seems to be ruling out the possibility almost because everyone thinks it should happen. Therefore its not his idea and it's not a good one.

 

[Copperhead]

We wont even consider Matt Moylan at 5/8th even though it has been talked up almost since his debut as where his career will be headed. But we will however use the likes of Peachey and Cartwright despite them definitely bot having a future there.

He was all for moving Josh Hoffman from fullback to the halves despite no ball playing ability. But not Matt Moylan whose greatest strength is ball playing. :roll:

He seems to be ruling out the possibility almost because everyone thinks it should happen. Therefore its not his idea and it's not a good one.

I think it's the easier decision. If you move Moylan to 5/8, and we get a look at a running fullback (whether that's Hardaker, DWZ or Edwards), he may not be able to move back.

The problem then comes about who's the better 5/8, Moylan or TMM? Right now it's Moylan, but I think TMM is going to be better. Difficult position to put your captain in.

 

[Kilkenny]

For the most part the Moylan to 5/8 campaign was initiated here on this forum by some of you who are infatuated with the notion of playing players in a range of positions, other than the one they are best suited for.

Jarrod Sammut was a good case in point. He was a really talented kid and burst into first grade in his rightful position, fullback, and probably could have enjoyed a longer career in the NRL but for the wrong decision to try and turn him into a half/five eighth. Ruined his chances of establishing himself further in the NRL.

TMM has untapped ability which he has demonstrated in the Under 20's and junior reps. He could be anything, he needs to be given the opportunity. The Cleary/TMM is our future halves combination taking us forward into 2017 and beyond, I have no doubt.

 

[umina panther]

Moylan is a half playing fullback its that simple. Everything that makes him a good player would make him an excellent 5/8, everything bad about his game (Lack of pace,weak last line of defence, shit positioning) will mean he'll never be a complete fullback. I honestly believe he has the best hands and passing selection/timing in the sport.

 

[Kilkenny]

Moylan is a half playing fullback its that simple. Everything that makes him a good player would make him an excellent 5/8, everything bad about his game (Lack of pace,weak last line of defence, shit positioning) will mean he'll never be a complete fullback. I honestly believe he has the best hands and passing selection/timing in the sport.

He has achieved State of Origin Selection as a fullback so he must be doing something right even allowing for the fact Tedesco was not available due to injury.

He has spent the greater majority of his time in the seniors at our club in the fullback position.

Those who know a lot more than us continue to believe he is best suited at fullback ie Gould, Griffin and our former coach Cleary.

There is nothing 'bad' about his game for the record he is a terrific player. While he doesn't posses Ben Barba's explosive acceleration he has speed of thought which is equally important.

 

[betcats]

Moylan is a half playing fullback its that simple. Everything that makes him a good player would make him an excellent 5/8, everything bad about his game (Lack of pace,weak last line of defence, shit positioning) will mean he'll never be a complete fullback. I honestly believe he has the best hands and passing selection/timing in the sport.

Agree, the more he touches the ball the better off we are. I think he could defend as half as well it wouldn't really be a problem. He doesn't have the upper body strength or technique to make those try saving tackles where you've got wrap up and get under the ball but in the line as long as he put his body into it he would be ok.

 

[maple_69]

I don't think the fact that he hasn't been moved is necessarily an i dictation that Gis and Griffin don't see him as being more suited to 5/8. It's just as likely they do and simply feel it's better for the team to leave him at the back and work on Martin as our 5/8.

Having Moylan stay at the back also takes the pressure off a young halves pairing massively. Cartwrighr spending time in the halved and presumably moving back to lock or second row with license to roam and preferring Wallace at hooker could also be part of this. Brooks/Moses was a blood bath but Martin/Cleary with 3 guys with.the genuine chops to play as halves on the field with them for 80 minutes could be the difference maker. With a bit of time in the side together those 5 guys are going to make it bloody hard to defend against.

Assuming Martin comes straight back in (maybe a week or two in reggies) we will get a good chance to see whether the right call is to pick and stick with Moylan at 5/8 long term from next year.

 

[franklin2323]

We wont even consider Matt Moylan at 5/8th even though it has been talked up almost since his debut as where his career will be headed. But we will however use the likes of Peachey and Cartwright despite them definitely bot having a future there.

He was all for moving Josh Hoffman from fullback to the halves despite no ball playing ability. But not Matt Moylan whose greatest strength is ball playing. :roll:

He seems to be ruling out the possibility almost because everyone thinks it should happen. Therefore its not his idea and it's not a good one.

We have 10 weeks til the finals. Not worth the risk imo start him at 6 next year and we have the whole season to get him up to it. We are scoring tries now no need to risk that just yet

 

[betcats]

The thing with Moylan is if we leave him at FB and go with Cleary and TMM and both those guys pan out as well as Carty then our need for a ball playing FB will be less and therefore Moylans value to the team drops, with two good creative halves and a guy like Carty we are better served with a more traditional FB, There is also the risk we end up with a situation like "too many cooks in the kitchen" in regards to ball players. Also Moylan playing like a half now takes pressure off our young halves and is working pretty well but Cleary doesn't look like he will need to have his hand held for that long, as he and potentially TMM develop as halves will Moylan be happy to be less involved? Potentially it could hurt or stall their development if not. Also does Moylan want to play rep footy going forward? because he wont play a lot from FB with guys like Teddy, Latrell and Tom Turbo coming up behind him. Is Moylan good enough to keep TMM out of the halves or if not what happens if Hardaker or Edwards or even DWZ turns into a star at FB?

I feel like no matter where we play Moylan there is a lot of potential for this to turn ugly in a year or two.

 

[Fibroman]

Moylan needs to move to 5/8th for the sake of his rep career. He's fast enough at fullback at club level but not at rep level. Whether it's Tedesko, Dugan or some young gun coming through the ranks, I believe it's only a matter of time before Moylan gets over looked.

The dilemma with TMM coming back into the side is simple. If his form warrants his selection at 5/8th, you push Moylan back to fullback.

You can bet London to a brick that at some stage during the season, there will be an injury to the 7, 6 and 1 and there will be no need to stress about who gets left out.

 

[franklin2323]

The thing with Moylan is if we leave him at FB and go with Cleary and TMM and both those guys pan out as well as Carty then our need for a ball playing FB will be less and therefore Moylans value to the team drops, with two good creative halves and a guy like Carty we are better served with a more traditional FB, There is also the risk we end up with a situation like "too many cooks in the kitchen" in regards to ball players. Also Moylan playing like a half now takes pressure off our young halves and is working pretty well but Cleary doesn't look like he will need to have his hand held for that long, as he and potentially TMM develop as halves will Moylan be happy to be less involved? Potentially it could hurt or stall their development if not. Also does Moylan want to play rep footy going forward? because he wont play a lot from FB with guys like Teddy, Latrell and Tom Turbo coming up behind him. Is Moylan good enough to keep TMM out of the halves or if not what happens if Hardaker or Edwards or even DWZ turns into a star at FB?

I feel like no matter where we play Moylan there is a lot of potential for this to turn ugly in a year or two.

to not need Moylan means we have won a premiership. That is a positive outcome regardless of who we lose as a result

 

[The yak]

Moylan needs to move to 5/8th for the sake of his rep career. He's fast enough at fullback at club level but not at rep level. Whether it's Tedesko, Dugan or some young gun coming through the ranks, I believe it's only a matter of time before Moylan gets over looked.

That argument floated around in 2002 when Craig Gower was talked about been moved from Hooker to Halfback. It will harm his rep career wailed the know alls. He won a premiership a year later at half back and still played rep footy.

You shouldn't move a player just for the sake of saving his rep career. It should be whats best for the player and his club that dictates his position.

He has barely played at 6 in first grade and now is not the time to trial things with our finals spot on the line. He will be extra tired after the origin series.I don't think people understand how much an origin series can sap the energy of a player, especially a first timer. People on here what to overburden him with extra work in defending in a position he has barely played in first grade. Our season is still alive and we are picking up pace. lets not upset the spine again.

 

[betcats]

to not need Moylan means we have won a premiership. That is a positive outcome regardless of who we lose as a result

I agree with the second sentence but not the first. It would mean we have a very strong team if we couldn't fit Moylan in but its no guarantee of winning anything.

 

[betcats]

That argument floated around in 2002 when Craig Gower was talked about been moved from Hooker to Halfback. It will harm his rep career wailed the know alls. He won a premiership a year later at half back and still played rep footy.

You shouldn't move a player just for the sake of saving his rep career. It should be whats best for the player and his club that dictates his position.

He has barely played at 6 in first grade and now is not the time to trial things with our finals spot on the line. He will be extra tired after the origin series.I don't think people understand how much an origin series can sap the energy of a player, especially a first timer. People on here what to overburden him with extra work in defending in a position he has barely played in first grade. Our season is still alive and we are picking up pace. lets not upset the spine again.

Why is it ok to experiment with Cartwright and Peachey in the halves but not Moylan?