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Timekeeping in the spotlight after 79 minute match

Timmah

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AFTER putting his hand down almost a minute early yesterday, timekeeper John Hayes was quick to raise it afterwards, admitting he had erred in winding up the first half, a mistake South Sydney coach Jason Taylor described as "astronomical".


Experienced timekeeper Hayes was yesterday said to be "extremely embarrassed" after pushing the button with still 55 seconds remaining, sounding the siren to end the first half in a controversial moment NRL officials described as "unfortunate and regrettable".
At the time, the Rabbitohs were down 12-6 but were deep in attack after receiving a penalty close to the St George Illawarra line. The siren was sounded before the completion of the first tackle, forcing the Rabbitohs into a speculative kick which was cleaned up by Dragons winger Jason Nightingale.


"Astronomical error," Taylor said afterwards. "We had time to play an entire set of six, and for the hooter to go and us to have to kick the ball, it changes the whole game. It was embarrassing, I thought."
The NRL's chief operating officer, Graham Annesley, said Hayes - a timekeeper in grand finals and State of Origins - had acknowledged he had erred.


"I haven't spoken to the timekeeper but I have spoken to one of my staff who has," Annesley said. "He's put his hand up. He's made a mistake, and it's the first mistake that's been made since the NRL took over the timekeeping three or four years ago.


"We took it over because of a Wests Tigers game when the two timekeepers [one from each club] didn't know the extra time rule, and this is the first incident since then. He admits he made a mistake, it's human error. It's just one of those things that's unacceptable."


But Annesley said Souths had no grounds for appeal.
"Our rules don't provide for that," he said. "The decisions made by the timekeepers are final. They fall into the same category as refereeing mistakes. It's never good when they happen and they have an impact on the game. It's just unfortunate and regrettable."


Dragons coach Nathan Brown maintained the Rabbitohs rode their luck.
"Hard done by?" Brown said. "I thought they were lucky. I thought a lot of things went their way. They had a 7-2 penalty count and we dominated the game. I didn't think the referee was very good."


Asked about the timekeeping error, Brown said: "I thought the Phantom Siren was back. That's what my initial feeling was. And then when he kicked it, and we caught the ball, it was obviously luck our way, but we'd had some things go against us before that where we were good enough to hang out."


The error compounded the Rabbitohs' woes after a week in which Peter Holmes a Court stood down from the executive chairman position after a falling out with his co-owner, Hollywood star Russell Crowe, and the club was forced to bring in former premiership-winning coach John Lang in a consulting role in a bid to wrest their slide.
Taylor admitted the off-field turmoil may have played a role in yesterday's 10th loss of the season.


"I'd like to say it didn't," Taylor said. "We had a good week of training, and if you asked me before the game I would have said it had no effect. It's one of those things that might be sneaking into the players' minds."
Crowe, who bought the first timekeeping bell from the first ever game of rugby league and rang it when the Rabbitohs re-entered the competition in 2002, attended yesterday's game. He may have wished he kept it.


http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/nrl-timekeeper-in-the-spotlight/2008/06/01/1212258648831.html
 

Johnny Bravo

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What no apologies for Badgers inept performance? Slowing the game to a grinding halt every scrum, or incredibly lop-sided penalty count to the losing side even though they were laying all over the play all day?

That is one of the worst officiating performances I've seen in many years, in all regards down to the timekeeping.

The sooner Badger is rubbed out of the game the better. He's a moron.
 

Sir Biffo

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Souths are pathetic.

Changed the whole game? JT you're team would have difficulty scoring in a brothel with a pocket full of 50's. Another game, another excuse from the self proclaimed supercoach.

Next week rising oil prices and an increase in video game violence will affect souths performance against the warriors.
 
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it did change it. they would have had a full set. if they had have scored would have made it interesting.

having said that..they had 79 other minutes to win the match.
 
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I really hate when stuff like that happens. I would love to say that the result would have been different but then the way we played in the second half, I kind of doubt it. In saying that though, a try before half time may have lifted South's but probably not as the try was far from guaranteed anyway. However, the sh!t thing about errors like that are that they raise a lot of doubt and at the end of the day you will never know what the outcome could have been. One thing that is for sure is that the time keeping error the try from St's after probably our best set in defense all day led to a botched charge down, really swung the momentum. Good sides, win the game anyway and then complain that it could have cost them, but unfortunately South's look for excuses like that so that they can play sh!t and still avoid some of the blame.
 

Johnny Bravo

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it did change it. they would have had a full set. if they had have scored would have made it interesting.

having said that..they had 79 other minutes to win the match.
What about the other 78 minutes that the ref felt the need to try and keep Souths in the game?

That first half penalty count was ridiculous, especially given the play from both sides. I don't know how on earth a 14 point better team can be down in the penalties 7-2. If the penalty count was remotely even and fair, Souths would have had 50 put on them.

Them missing out on that last minute was a bit of justice. They still wouldn't have scored though with that inept attacking display. They had plenty more chances to score points but the opposition defence covered them with ease.
 
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I agree. i watched it. they were ****. they play a very similar game to my D grade oztag team.
but they might have donse something with that minute close to the line. might!
 

innsaneink

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AFTER putting his hand down almost a minute early yesterday, timekeeper John Hayes was quick to raise it afterwards, admitting he had erred in winding up the first half, a mistake South Sydney coach Jason Taylor described as "astronomical".


Experienced timekeeper Hayes was yesterday said to be "extremely embarrassed" after pushing the button with still 55 seconds remaining, sounding the siren to end the first half in a controversial moment NRL officials described as "unfortunate and regrettable".
At the time, the Rabbitohs were down 12-6 but were deep in attack after receiving a penalty close to the St George Illawarra line. The siren was sounded before the completion of the first tackle, forcing the Rabbitohs into a speculative kick which was cleaned up by Dragons winger Jason Nightingale.


"Astronomical error," Taylor said afterwards. "We had time to play an entire set of six, and for the hooter to go and us to have to kick the ball, it changes the whole game. It was embarrassing, I thought."
The NRL's chief operating officer, Graham Annesley, said Hayes - a timekeeper in grand finals and State of Origins - had acknowledged he had erred.


"I haven't spoken to the timekeeper but I have spoken to one of my staff who has," Annesley said. "He's put his hand up. He's made a mistake, and it's the first mistake that's been made since the NRL took over the timekeeping three or four years ago.


"We took it over because of a Wests Tigers game when the two timekeepers [one from each club] didn't know the extra time rule, and this is the first incident since then. He admits he made a mistake, it's human error. It's just one of those things that's unacceptable."


But Annesley said Souths had no grounds for appeal.
"Our rules don't provide for that," he said. "The decisions made by the timekeepers are final. They fall into the same category as refereeing mistakes. It's never good when they happen and they have an impact on the game. It's just unfortunate and regrettable."


Dragons coach Nathan Brown maintained the Rabbitohs rode their luck.
"Hard done by?" Brown said. "I thought they were lucky. I thought a lot of things went their way. They had a 7-2 penalty count and we dominated the game. I didn't think the referee was very good."


Asked about the timekeeping error, Brown said: "I thought the Phantom Siren was back. That's what my initial feeling was. And then when he kicked it, and we caught the ball, it was obviously luck our way, but we'd had some things go against us before that where we were good enough to hang out."


The error compounded the Rabbitohs' woes after a week in which Peter Holmes a Court stood down from the executive chairman position after a falling out with his co-owner, Hollywood star Russell Crowe, and the club was forced to bring in former premiership-winning coach John Lang in a consulting role in a bid to wrest their slide.
Taylor admitted the off-field turmoil may have played a role in yesterday's 10th loss of the season.


"I'd like to say it didn't," Taylor said. "We had a good week of training, and if you asked me before the game I would have said it had no effect. It's one of those things that might be sneaking into the players' minds."
Crowe, who bought the first timekeeping bell from the first ever game of rugby league and rang it when the Rabbitohs re-entered the competition in 2002, attended yesterday's game. He may have wished he kept it.


http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/nrl-timekeeper-in-the-spotlight/2008/06/01/1212258648831.html

Souths game Graham...2004, 17-16, iirc there was inthose days two timekeepers PLUS the ground manager
 

t-ba

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This reminds me of Frank Endacott having a bitch about the Ball boy throwing the footy to Mark Soden on a penalty tap as it influenced the result of the game at NS Oval in 1995. They were down 42-10 at that stage of course.
 

Slackboy72

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mmmm I was thinking yesterday that if it took souffs 79 minutes to score 12 points then if the Dragons left the field at 79 minutes and the rabbits kept playing for another 117 1/2 minutes theywould have eventually beaten us. yet jason taylor reckons they only needed 55 seconds so what would I know.
 

Raider_69

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It probably saved souths from throwing an intercept pass
they are woeful, even we smashed them! :lol:
 

LeagueNut

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This reminds me of Frank Endacott having a bitch about the Ball boy throwing the footy to Mark Soden on a penalty tap as it influenced the result of the game at NS Oval in 1995. They were down 42-10 at that stage of course.
:lol: I remember that! Straws were being clutched extremely tightly that day.

(It was 1998 though)
 

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