Trial: Eels v Panthers Game Day Thread Feb 26 2022

[Poupou Escobar]

I'd rather be called a blowhard then a clowndick

Nobody is forcing you to choose.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Blowhard is a 3/10 insult
Clowndick is a least a 5/10

 

[lucablight]

You think we lost to Penrith in the finals because of our tactics? Did Bellamy's and Bennett's teams lose because of tactics? f**king blowhard. Teams play to their strengths. For us that is our forwards and Moses' kicking game. For us to keep our middles on as long as possible we need to dominate possession, to limit the amount of defence they need to do. That means reducing errors. Let's see how our attack looks when we don't have all the ball. I dare say it will look like it did a week ago when we lost to the Dragons.

It's easy for commentators and deadshit footy fans to come up with a narrative when one side is doing it easy with all the ball. "Oh they're playing so differently now!" But every team is always trying to do more good stuff and less bad stuff. The difference is just execution, not some high level decision to do less bad stuff.

We played really well in the semi against Penrith but I don’t think it can be denied that our attacking structures let us down. We dominated them in the forwards for most of that game but didn’t have the finesse to land the killer blow. It was a rare case of the team who won the yardage battle losing the match.

 

[Gary Gutful]

We played really well in the semi against Penrith but I don’t think it can be denied that our attacking structures let us down. We dominated them in the forwards for most of that game but didn’t have the finesse to land the killer blow. It was a rare case of the team who won the yardage battle losing the match.

Our structures looked shit because Penrith defended their coights off in that game. They looked great last week because Penrith didn't.

I hope we've found some secret attacking juju, but based on Penrith's pissweak effort last week its hard to tell at the moment.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We played really well in the semi against Penrith but I don’t think it can be denied that our attacking structures let us down. We dominated them in the forwards for most of that game but didn’t have the finesse to land the killer blow. It was a rare case of the team who won the yardage battle losing the match.

Yeah it was uncharacteristic of Penrith to concede so few points ffs

 

[lucablight]

Yeah it was uncharacteristic of Penrith to concede so few points ffs

Penrith didn’t lose the yardage battle against most teams last season. If we had better attack last season we would have won with the territorial advantage we enjoyed.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Maybe the territorial advantage was our attack? It's the whole point of spending so much on forwards.

 

[lucablight]

You don’t have to choose between having great yardage gain and having the ability to get over the stripe. In fact I would say in most cases they go hand in hand.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm sure points per metre wasn't consistent across every club, and would reflect the relative strengths and weaknesses of each team. I haven't looked but I would be astounded if there weren't significant variations from one team to the next. For us, holding the ball (and making metres) was as much about minimising the amount of defence we had to do as it was about scoring points. Other teams with better defenders were able to take more risks in attack and therefore score more points per metre gained.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So I just had a look and found the expected variation. You can draw your own insights, but one of the most important was that the two most potent point scoring teams per metre gained failed to make the grand final. That said, the three most potent finished in the top four. Points per 1000m, because it's easier to read than a number with four decimal points:

Team	Points/kilometre
Storm	19.1
Seagulls	18.17
Rabbitohs	17.68
Roosters	15.41
Panthers	14.18
Titans	14.02
Tigers	13.28
Eels	13.18
Sharks	12.99
Dragons	12.86
Raiders	12.58
Cowboys	11.97
Warriors	11.96
Broncos	11.48
Knights	11.25
Bulldogs	9.61

 

[lucablight]

So I just had a look and found the expected variation. You can draw your own insights, but one of the most important was that the two most potent point scoring teams per metre gained failed to make the grand final. That said, the three most potent finished in the top four. Points per 1000m, because it's easier to read than a number with four decimal points:

Team	Points/kilometre
Storm	19.1
Seagulls	18.17
Rabbitohs	17.68
Roosters	15.41
Panthers	14.18
Titans	14.02
Tigers	13.28
Eels	13.18
Sharks	12.99
Dragons	12.86
Raiders	12.58
Cowboys	11.97
Warriors	11.96
Broncos	11.48
Knights	11.25
Bulldogs	9.61

I don’t understand the points/km metric? If you make more km than you have a lower score so how does that tell you anything? A more useful metric would be ranking the teams in terms of number of points scored and seeing where they finish in terms of metres gained. You will find that out of the top 5 point scorers 4 of those teams were also the top 4 metre gainers. The exceptions to the rule were the Roosters who were 5th in points scored but 7th in all run metres and the Eels who were 3rd in all run metres but finished a middling 7th in points in points scored. We simply did not use the ball well relative to how well we controlled the yardage battle.

 

[Gary Gutful]

So I just had a look and found the expected variation. You can draw your own insights, but one of the most important was that the two most potent point scoring teams per metre gained failed to make the grand final. That said, the three most potent finished in the top four. Points per 1000m, because it's easier to read than a number with four decimal points:

Team	Points/kilometre
Storm	19.1
Seagulls	18.17
Rabbitohs	17.68
Roosters	15.41
Panthers	14.18
Titans	14.02
Tigers	13.28
Eels	13.18
Sharks	12.99
Dragons	12.86
Raiders	12.58
Cowboys	11.97
Warriors	11.96
Broncos	11.48
Knights	11.25
Bulldogs	9.61

Geez, the Bulldogs PP1km was shithouse. I remember reading an article from David Middleton where he said to be contending for premierships you typically need to be north of 14.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I don’t understand the points/km metric? If you make more km than you have a lower score so how does that tell you anything? A more useful metric would be ranking the teams in terms of number of points scored and seeing where they finish in terms of metres gained. You will find that out of the top 5 point scorers 4 of those teams were also the top 4 metre gainers. The exceptions to the rule were the Roosters who were 5th in points scored but 7th in all run metres and the Eels who were 3rd in all run metres but finished a middling 7th in points in points scored. We simply did not use the ball well relative to how well we controlled the yardage battle.

Hence why the Roosters are higher on the PP1km table FFS!

 

[hindy111]

Nobody is forcing you to choose.

f**k of clowndick

 

[Gary Gutful]

I used to think clowndick was the same as normal dick but after trying it I think it tastes a bit funny…

 

[strider]

Ahhh PPK is in, LBAs are out

 

[TheParraboy]

We played really well in the semi against Penrith but I don’t think it can be denied that our attacking structures let us down. We dominated them in the forwards for most of that game but didn’t have the finesse to land the killer blow. It was a rare case of the team who won the yardage battle losing the match.

Only reason we didn't have finesse, or land the killer blow, we didnt have our 1st nor 2nd string rakes in the side, A position that touches the ball the most and gets that finesse going from the outset

Stone made multiple errors and was clunky throughout

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hence why the Roosters are higher on the PP1km table FFS!

I keep trying to find new ways to explain shit to lucablight but the merkin is beyond help. I reckon his hairline comes right down to his eyebrows.

 

[hindy111]

I used to think clowndick was the same as normal dick but after trying it I think it tastes a bit funny…

Your not meant to chew. Best to swallow it with a glass of water

 

[hindy111]

In the wet I can forgive him but both look good. Lane even last week looked fitter,faster and sharper. I'll say it now. He will have an excellent season.

HINDY111 YOU GOT IT RIGH AGAIN.

@TheRam see this? It only took me 5mins and I already had him down for a big season. Yet clowndicks like @Gronk, @Poupou Escobar ,@Gary Gutful don't think I have exceptional rugby league spotting abilities. Clowndicks I tell ya