TWO new Brisbane teams

[Perth Red]

Area lost main sporting team & then embraced swans more than any other area at same time - u do the math.

You have no understanding of Sydney & the identity of clubs with what ur proposing.

Where are these stats you speak of re swans membership base?

 

[Perth Red]

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It's stronger for returning fans that were lost from the game. Along with eels probably biggest fanbase in rugby league capital (I say biggest).

NRL/clubs have done bad job prioritizing attendance & membership. Not maximizing fanbase is one thing, eliminating them is whole next level of dumb - which nrl did with norths

They were still a basket case when they came back, reason they were booted in first place, and their so called massive fanbase never turned up to support them despite what they’d just been through. It wasn’t until rusty came along that they started to actually look like a worthwhile readmission. Ergo they got lucky with having a multimillionaire fan who could turn them around.

 

[Pippen94]

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They were still a basket case when they came back, reason they were booted in first place, and their so called massive fanbase never turned up to support them despite what they’d just been through. It wasn’t until rusty came along that they started to actually look like a worthwhile readmission. Ergo they got lucky with having a multimillionaire fan who could turn them around.

So basket case couldn't mobilize it's fanbase?! Go figure, not alone in NRL. Last pre covid figure had rabbitohs membership number level pegging with eels as Sydney leader. Big increase from 0 when not an nrl club..

 

[siv]

Return of the Bears on the CC as the 18th team would be the best thing that could happen to the NRL

 

[Colk]

CC isn’t big enough for a side and there are too many sides in NSW as it is. If they used their logo outside of NSW (and probably Qld) then that has legs

 

[Pippen94]

CC isn’t big enough for a side and there are too many sides in NSW as it is. If they used their logo outside of NSW (and probably Qld) then that has legs

A team in Northern Sydney would be more lucrative for game than any other prospective bid.

Return of the Bears on the CC as the 18th team would be the best thing that could happen to the NRL

Would undo a lot of bad from bears removal. I think you'd see a wave of pride from north side of parramatta river all way up the coast

 

[Colk]

You already have too many sides in Sydney; ideally you would only have about 6, so unless you are relocating a couple of sides from Sydney I don’t see how putting the Bears back in Sydney is financially viable. Ask yourself how many sides would survive in Sydney now without the grant being above the cap, particularly if you are competing against one city teams. You only have to look at how difficult it is for some of the Sydney sides (think of those who aren’t owned by multi millionaires or without large supporter bases) to attract sponsors and investment

 

[Perth Red]

A team in Northern Sydney would be more lucrative for game than any other prospective bid.



Would undo a lot of bad from bears removal. I think you'd see a wave of pride from north side of parramatta river all way up the coast

Haha

 

[Pippen94]

You already have too many sides in Sydney; ideally you would only have about 6, so unless you are relocating a couple of sides from Sydney I don’t see how putting the Bears back in Sydney is financially viable. Ask yourself how many sides would survive in Sydney now without the grant being above the cap, particularly if you are competing against one city teams. You only have to look at how difficult it is for some of the Sydney sides (think of those who aren’t owned by multi millionaires or without large supporter bases) to attract sponsors and investment

More Sydney teams would survive without grant than regional teams. Gold Coast, Newcastle & Cowboys most recent clubs in trouble. Storm wouldn't be here without money news pumping money into them.
Melbourne has ten afl teams. There's not too many Sydney teams, they just don't maximize the fans they have.

 

[siv]

You already have too many sides in Sydney; ideally you would only have about 6, so unless you are relocating a couple of sides from Sydney I don’t see how putting the Bears back in Sydney is financially viable. Ask yourself how many sides would survive in Sydney now without the grant being above the cap, particularly if you are competing against one city teams. You only have to look at how difficult it is for some of the Sydney sides (think of those who aren’t owned by multi millionaires or without large supporter bases) to attract sponsors and investment

You do realise that if the comp reverted back to Sydney based comp with Wests & Balmain demerging and adding the Bears

It wouldnt have problems surviving

Yet if you did the reverse it would struggle to survive and you would quickly regress to the Qld Cup

 

[Perth Red]

only due to pokie dens. I’d like to see how many would survive if they actually had to stand on their own two feet and run as a professional sports business.

ps news ltd dont put anything into Storm Lol.

More Sydney teams would survive without grant than regional teams. Gold Coast, Newcastle & Cowboys most recent clubs in trouble. Storm wouldn't be here without money news pumping money into them.
Melbourne has ten afl teams. There's not too many Sydney teams, they just don't maximize the fans they have

 

[Perth Red]

You do realise that if the comp reverted back to Sydney based comp with Wests & Balmain demerging and adding the Bears

It wouldnt have problems surviving

Yet if you did the reverse it would struggle to survive and you would quickly regress to the Qld Cup

Pretty sure if you took the top 4 or 5 clubs in Sydney and added them to the rest plus some other big cities you’d equally have a very vibrant competition that thrived, not just survived.

 

[siv]

Pretty sure if you took the top 4 or 5 clubs in Sydney and added them to the rest plus some other big cities you’d equally have a very vibrant competition that thrived, not just survived.

No its not about splitting Sydney

Thats the SL pipe dream which wont ever happen again

By your own admission a regional RL comp without Sydney could never survive

 

[Colk]

You do realise that if the comp reverted back to Sydney based comp with Wests & Balmain demerging and adding the Bears

It wouldnt have problems surviving

Yet if you did the reverse it would struggle to survive and you would quickly regress to the Qld Cup

Yes it would certainly would have . It would be about as big as the Sydney Rugby comp - meaning nobody would give a crap about it.

The biggest reason that players choose Rugby League is that their wages more or less compete with AFL or Union or whatever other sport they may be good at.

So if every other sport becomes professional and more or less national, where do you think the TV and corporate dollar would go? What sports would be the best athletes in Australia choose to play? Have a think about it and come back to me

 

[Pippen94]

Haha

only due to pokie dens. I’d like to see how many would survive if they actually had to stand on their own two feet and run as a professional sports business.

ps news ltd dont put anything into Storm Lol.

Afl clubs make more money from pokies. They're also superb at getting ppl through gate & selling membership. Instead of getting rid of our most dedicated fans NRL should maximizing them.

 

[siv]

meaning nobody would give a crap about it.

Didnt seem to be a issue for 90 years

And the biggest TV games and crowds are Sydney derbies

 

[Pippen94]

Pretty sure if you took the top 4 or 5 clubs in Sydney and added them to the rest plus some other big cities you’d equally have a very vibrant competition that thrived, not just survived.

Pretty sure that happened in 1997 & lost millions

 

[Colk]

More Sydney teams would survive without grant than regional teams. Gold Coast, Newcastle & Cowboys most recent clubs in trouble. Storm wouldn't be here without money news pumping money into them.
Melbourne has ten afl teams. There's not too many Sydney teams, they just don't maximize the fans they have.

No you wouldn’t - you really wouldn’t. We have had four teams from Sydney essentially die in the last 40 years because they ran out of money - Norths ran out of money, Wests became like RL’s Fitzroy getting beat by 50 points every week (and before they merged they were on death’s door a few times) Newtown ran out of money, Souths were a financial basket case before Russell Crowe took them over, Balmain ditto.

This isn’t taking into account Cronulla- who have been bailed out how many times more times than I can remember and Manly who have been essentially saved by the Penn family otherwise they would have probably died.

Then you have Newcastle which goes to my point of not having another NSW/Sydney side

How much evidence do you need to suggest that it wouldn’t be good idea to put another side in NSW/Sydney

 

[Pippen94]

No you wouldn’t - you really wouldn’t. We have had four teams from Sydney essentially die in the last 40 years because they ran out of money - Norths ran out of money, Wests became like RL’s Fitzroy getting beat by 50 points every week (and before they merged they were on death’s door a few times) Newtown ran out of money, Souths were a financial basket case before Russell Crowe took them over, Balmain ditto.

This isn’t taking into account Cronulla- who have been bailed out how many times more times than I can remember and Manly who have been essentially saved by the Penn family otherwise they would have probably died.

Then you have Newcastle which goes to my point of not having another NSW/Sydney side

How much evidence do you need to suggest that it wouldn’t be good idea to put another side in NSW/Sydney

Doesn't mean there's too many NSW teams - just means some clubs are poorly managed. Guess what, so are are plenty of teams outside of the state. Remember clubs in Perth, Adelaide & even Brisbane went belly up.

Vast majority of pay tv subscribers, FTA viewers & fans of game support Sydney Clubs. It's the basis for the upcoming record broadcast deal. Don't throw out baby with bath water...

 

[Colk]

Didnt seem to be a issue for 90 years

And the biggest TV games and crowds are Sydney derbies

First of all times change. Most of those years Rugby League was a semi professional sport and you were competing with what? Rugby Union was an amateur sport, AFL was like League and had no prescence outside of a few states and soccer was only well supported by post war European immigrants. Eve you must realise that it has changed a bit since then.

Support for Sydney sides are massively inflated by some around here. Cowboys, Storm and Broncos all have more supporters than any of the Sydney sides