Vs Sharks Rd9 2022

[Penrose Warrior]

How many years we sign him for? A move to super league is in order, but won't happen with wife's netball.

We have signed plenty of replacements.

Worth considering as well that one of his best mates is in a long-term relationship with the owner's daughter. So I don't think there'll be any making him walk the plank

 

[Scott]

Worth considering as well that one of his best mates is in a long-term relationship with the owner's daughter. So I don't think there'll be any making him walk the plank

That is a ridiculous statement. Are you actually considering that Mark wouldn't move Shaun on because he is close to Logan & Dani?

Shaun was woeful yesterday. Absolutely dreadful. If he isn't in the team, our record is 1-8. He has won 3 games, that would not have otherwise been won. He is on very minimal money for a halfback, he has said he couldn't care less about the money. He wants to play for the Warriors. He signed to move home to NZ, then had to relocate with no family at all. There have been no complaints from him about it at all. Some stabilty around him with the same backrow & centre consistently would be helpful to him. In the 7 games he has played, he has had 5 different backrowers & 4 different centres beside him.

Just on yesterday. The game was lost when Lodge & AFB were walking off together after 30 minutes. We were leading, lost all momentum created by those 2, and never got it back. Poor coaching & use of the interchange.

One more thing - we lose like that yesterday & actually move up a spot on the ladder. What does that say about the standard of the league. We could actually make the finals! We shouldn't, but we can.

 

[JJ]

. He is on very minimal money for a halfback, he has said he couldn't care less about the money. He wants to play for the Warriors.

I'd like to see him play

 

[Penrose Warrior]

That is a ridiculous statement. Are you actually considering that Mark wouldn't move Shaun on because he is close to Logan & Dani?

Shaun was woeful yesterday. Absolutely dreadful. If he isn't in the team, our record is 1-8. He has won 3 games, that would not have otherwise been won. He is on very minimal money for a halfback, he has said he couldn't care less about the money. He wants to play for the Warriors. He signed to move home to NZ, then had to relocate with no family at all. There have been no complaints from him about it at all. Some stabilty around him with the same backrow & centre consistently would be helpful to him. In the 7 games he has played, he has had 5 different backrowers & 4 different centres beside him.

Just on yesterday. The game was lost when Lodge & AFB were walking off together after 30 minutes. We were leading, lost all momentum created by those 2, and never got it back. Poor coaching & use of the interchange.

One more thing - we lose like that yesterday & actually move up a spot on the ladder. What does that say about the standard of the league. We could actually make the finals! We shouldn't, but we can.

I shouldn't have said that. Overly emotive on my behalf after that game. I'm just f**king sick of this team.

I don't agree, incidentally, on the 1-8. That's too basic in terms of analysis. Yes he kicked the drop goals, but that's his job no more so than making tackles is anyone else's job. When we're in round 9, and all we have to point to for a 12-year veteran half is that he kicked a pair of one-pointers (one that wobbled over like the air was let out of it) then we're not exactly getting value for money no matter what he's on, are we? He wasn't in the best 7-8 players in either of those games, but got points on this forum because he kicked them. I'm not sure what other game you're referring to that he won us.

I am a father too and I appreciate the sacrifice Shaun is making. I truly do. That must be brutal leaving your wife and daughter to go back. And I only really want to talk about the on-field stuff. I don't buy the personnel thing. If you're a 12-year veteran you need to do WAY better than he did yesterday. He still doesn't know to run a team. He doesn't exhibit on-field leadership skills and that's been a criticism of him in all his time with us. His defense is woeful.

Like I said, I have been Shaun's greatest fan. And he's (sort of) trying, I guess. But I think the greatest criticism of him is that he's never had the hunger to be a great NRL player. He just hasn't seemed to be willing to take constructive criticism, OK he was denied a lot of access to the right coaching with us throughout his career but I just don't see a guy who really wants to win a premiership. He says he does, but I've never seen it - and this is not me saying this from my couch, I watched him train for years, talked to people, seen the on-field stuf etc.

 

[Scott]

I shouldn't have said that. Overly emotive on my behalf after that game. I'm just f**king sick of this team.

I don't agree, incidentally, on the 1-8. That's too basic in terms of analysis. Yes he kicked the drop goals, but that's his job no more so than making tackles is anyone else's job. When we're in round 9, and all we have to point to for a 12-year veteran half is that he kicked a pair of one-pointers (one that wobbled over like the air was let out of it) then we're not exactly getting value for money no matter what he's on, are we? He wasn't in the best 7-8 players in either of those games, but got points on this forum because he kicked them. I'm not sure what other game you're referring to that he won us.

I am a father too and I appreciate the sacrifice Shaun is making. I truly do. That must be brutal leaving your wife and daughter to go back. And I only really want to talk about the on-field stuff. I don't buy the personnel thing. If you're a 12-year veteran you need to do WAY better than he did yesterday. He still doesn't know to run a team. He doesn't exhibit on-field leadership skills and that's been a criticism of him in all his time with us. His defense is woeful.

Like I said, I have been Shaun's greatest fan. And he's (sort of) trying, I guess. But I think the greatest criticism of him is that he's never had the hunger to be a great NRL player. He just hasn't seemed to be willing to take constructive criticism, OK he was denied a lot of access to the right coaching with us throughout his career but I just don't see a guy who really wants to win a premiership. He says he does, but I've never seen it - and this is not me saying this from my couch, I watched him train for years, talked to people, seen the on-field stuf etc.

All valid points.

Slightly off topic, these conversations/debates show we all care deeply about this team.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

All valid points.

Slightly off topic, these conversations/debates show we all care deeply about this team.

100% they do. As I said above, the day there's no angry tirades on the radio, or on here, will be a very sorry day for the club. Apathy is somewhere I'm getting pretty close to with this side, which sucks given my love for this club. Myself, and I'm sure others here, are 'that Warriors guy' at work. I had people climbing all over me to ask how shit I thought the game was today. I hate it.

I'm actually starting to think if there's an 18th club that is based in NZ as Abdo seems to be hinting at, that it has more chance of success than ours. I truly mean that. They won't be burdened by 10 years of poor performance like we are, they won't have to be bogged down with having to be 'NZ's club' and having to look like a pseudo Kiwi club, they can even choose to have closer ties with Australian pathways than we have.

I'm still emotive, but I honestly think we are in a deep, dark hole at this club - with no obvious way out. I've thought that all year, even through the wins.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

I'm worried now because as "the Warriors Guy" at work and with friends they are now starting to feel sorry for me.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

I shouldn't have said that. Overly emotive on my behalf after that game. I'm just f**king sick of this team.

I don't agree, incidentally, on the 1-8. That's too basic in terms of analysis. Yes he kicked the drop goals, but that's his job no more so than making tackles is anyone else's job. When we're in round 9, and all we have to point to for a 12-year veteran half is that he kicked a pair of one-pointers (one that wobbled over like the air was let out of it) then we're not exactly getting value for money no matter what he's on, are we? He wasn't in the best 7-8 players in either of those games, but got points on this forum because he kicked them. I'm not sure what other game you're referring to that he won us.

I am a father too and I appreciate the sacrifice Shaun is making. I truly do. That must be brutal leaving your wife and daughter to go back. And I only really want to talk about the on-field stuff. I don't buy the personnel thing. If you're a 12-year veteran you need to do WAY better than he did yesterday. He still doesn't know to run a team. He doesn't exhibit on-field leadership skills and that's been a criticism of him in all his time with us. His defense is woeful.

Like I said, I have been Shaun's greatest fan. And he's (sort of) trying, I guess. But I think the greatest criticism of him is that he's never had the hunger to be a great NRL player. He just hasn't seemed to be willing to take constructive criticism, OK he was denied a lot of access to the right coaching with us throughout his career but I just don't see a guy who really wants to win a premiership. He says he does, but I've never seen it - and this is not me saying this from my couch, I watched him train for years, talked to people, seen the on-field stuf etc.

You would think the sacrifice would make him want to make everything worth it?
It's like working FIFO for the money and blowing all the extra on the pokies, what's the point?
I guess after the 70 point game, what's the point, is what it seems SJ is thinking.
It's annoying when he has the talent but not the grit, most are not lucky enough to be born with the talent.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

In other news, Annersley said the Sharks were lucky not to have a second guy sent off for the shoulder charge on Aitken. And he's right. That was weak as piss refereeing - a clear leading with the shoulder into Aitken's chin gets 10 minutes because he's too scared to send two players off.

 

[Beavers Headgear]

I'm worried now because as "the Warriors Guy" at work and with friends they are now starting to feel sorry for me.

haha even I get the “how bout those Warriors” every bloody Monday when I head into work !!

 

[Benek]

How much longer until guys like Walsh and AFB say f**k this team, I want to be the best of the best, I need to move somewhere with a winning culture?

We already have a problem retaining players that don't want to move to NZ. Is that going to be followed by losing players who are tired of playing on a shit team with no light at the end of the tunnel?

Meanwhile, guys like Pappy are taking pay cuts to stay at the Storm rather than getting their true value on the market. How can you compete with that?

I feel sorry for teams like the Bulldogs, Tigers, Knights, Titans and us who must find it nearly impossible to retain players, especially given that there's little respect for contracts these days in the NRL.

NRL needs a draft system and trade window to make player acquisition more fair. They need to reward development clubs (like Penrith, or the Warriors (historically)), and penalise clubs who primarily poach. And they need to stiffen up on contracts being broken left and right just because someone gets itchy feet.

Otherwise, the gulf between the top and bottom teams will continue to grow until there are very few competitive matches anymore. The 6-again rule change has already exacerbated that and there's no sign of it getting any better.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

In other news, Annersley said the Sharks were lucky not to have a second guy sent off for the shoulder charge on Aitken. And he's right. That was weak as piss refereeing - a clear leading with the shoulder into Aitken's chin gets 10 minutes because he's too scared to send two players off.

Agree 2nd tackle far worse and would take the coat-hanger tackle any day over shoulder to the face/head.

Sadly it would not have made a difference as we still couldn't get points vs 11.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

How much longer until guys like Walsh and AFB say f**k this team, I want to be the best of the best, I need to move somewhere with a winning culture?

We already have a problem retaining players that don't want to move to NZ. Is that going to be followed by losing players who are tired of playing on a shit team with no light at the end of the tunnel?

Meanwhile, guys like Pappy are taking pay cuts to stay at the Storm rather than getting their true value on the market. How can you compete with that?

I feel sorry for teams like the Bulldogs, Tigers, Knights, Titans and us who must find it nearly impossible to retain players, especially given that there's little respect for contracts these days in the NRL.

NRL needs a draft system and trade window to make player acquisition more fair. They need to reward development clubs (like Penrith, or the Warriors (historically)), and penalise clubs who primarily poach. And they need to stiffen up on contracts being broken left and right just because someone gets itchy feet.

Otherwise, the gulf between the top and bottom teams will continue to grow until there are very few competitive matches anymore. The 6-again rule change has already exacerbated that and there's no sign of it getting any better.

How do you penalise those who poach?
Or do you give discount off market value if you develop thr player.
I would say Storm does a good job at developing players, not often super stars go there, but they sure turn them into them.

I'm not sure about professional sport, but with most workplaces if people aren't held accountable for actions/inactions (also praised) it turns out to not be a nice place to work after a while.

 

[Benek]

There was a proposal floated around not too long ago (forget where or by whom) that had a reward system for clubs who develop and promote internally vs. poaching from other teams. They look and how many players debuted for you from within vs. outside and assign the team a score. Better scores get some salary cap relief as compensation. Seemed like a well thought out idea when I read it.

 

[Blair]

Sharks penise for pushing in scrum.

Let's keep our sense of humour! Who got to use it, us or them? Did it help?

 

[Blair]

Gee, I miss Sterlo. Nine's commentary was bad on Sunday. You could tell Billy, Thurston, that screechy main guy, et al, were all mates with the likes of Nicho, Conor, Moylan, et al. Chuck Gus in there too.

There was nothing impartial.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Let's keep our sense of humour! Who got to use it, us or them? Did it help?

Might be up for 4 week ban for naughty language!

 

[Beavers Headgear]

How much longer until guys like Walsh and AFB say f**k this team, I want to be the best of the best, I need to move somewhere with a winning culture?

We already have a problem retaining players that don't want to move to NZ. Is that going to be followed by losing players who are tired of playing on a shit team with no light at the end of the tunnel?

Meanwhile, guys like Pappy are taking pay cuts to stay at the Storm rather than getting their true value on the market. How can you compete with that?

I feel sorry for teams like the Bulldogs, Tigers, Knights, Titans and us who must find it nearly impossible to retain players, especially given that there's little respect for contracts these days in the NRL.

NRL needs a draft system and trade window to make player acquisition more fair. They need to reward development clubs (like Penrith, or the Warriors (historically)), and penalise clubs who primarily poach. And they need to stiffen up on contracts being broken left and right just because someone gets itchy feet.

Otherwise, the gulf between the top and bottom teams will continue to grow until there are very few competitive matches anymore. The 6-again rule change has already exacerbated that and there's no sign of it getting any better.

interesting post, agree with most of it but not all

The 4 teams you mention in there, the Dogs in particular, have all the resources there, but have been poorly managed over a long period of time and have made some poor choices in recruitment and retention. Look at the difference Gus has already made with the Dogs, results wise they are still a bit away but they are adding quality pieces each year, and when they get a decent coach, they should move forward

I’m not sure how they do it, but the Warriors need to get themselves back to being a development club, their strong years were built on local talent being identified early and brought through well, the 20s comp certainly was a huge loss for the Warriors where guys were getting good exposure for a couple of years before moving up into reserve grade then NRL. Probably a long way off, but I’ve heard Vlandys mention that he has the dream of a proper reserve grade and under 21s like they used to have, and that would certainly help. Probably no better example now than Papalii, absolute plod at the Warriors but flourishing now in a stronger system

draft system I’m not a fan of in rugby league. It works very well in America, but those franchises don’t have grass roots attached to them and have a tribal game like rugby league is built on. One of the best things is watching the juniors at your club come up through the junior grades and track their progress. 1 of the stories last weekend was Ben Trbojevic playing with his brothers for the side they’ve grown up around, the draft takes those sort of stories away

Its certainly a tough drag up from the bottom at the moment, it can be done if the right people are involved and making the smart long term moves rather than desperately grasping for the quick fix moves

 

[Benek]

I agree about the draft. It's not my favourite proposal but at least it's something. I think the thing about rewarding the development clubs with slightly more salary cap solves some of the same issues with less downsides.

 

[Rich102]

Just on the draft comment.
I think that is just to try to level the playing field.
We know some players will stay with stronger teams for less money, with a salary cap this is wrong.
It gives the strong clubs two bites of the cherry.
When a player applies for a transfer or extension of contract the NRL should table the contract to the other clubs.. If someone else wants to pay more than the player's preferred club, and he chooses to stay for the lower sum, then the salary cap of the club should be reduced by the difference.