WA BEARS

[Perth Red]

“said the NRL had asked for approximately $12 million in annual funding for the next decade.

The figure is the same as what was pledged by the Tasmanian government to the AFL’s newest club the Tasmanian Devils, which is expected to receive $144 million over 12 years and a further $60 million for a new high-performance complex.”

So that’s where pvl got the idea of the govt funding the wa side which seems fair enough

And the afl is pumping $120mill into tassie as part of that deal to fund grassroots in tassie and other contributions. Maybe cook said ‘sure we’ll do what tassie is doing if you do what afl is doing’?

 

[Perth Red]

When did PVL ask Cook for the $12m a year ?

This has only been made public pretty recently..

Cpuple of weeks ago after they rejected the western bears bid. It was vlandys plan B. I was told at the time by someone who would know that the wa govt won’t accept it as they have no intention to own or directly fund a sports club.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Article is getting mixed up between grassroots funding and funding the operations of an nrl Club. Cook has already stated they will fund jnr participation programs through a much expanded shs program.

Why would the article be mixing it up if that’s what the NRL have said it’s for? It makes much more sense it being that way (WA Gov grassroots infrastructure) & NRL Club investment than what was previously thought.

 

[Perth Red]

You raise an interesting point. Dangling the carrot of origin and Int’l league to be played in Perth say four out of the first eight years of the W.A. clubs Existence might be enough to sway it.

The money that rep footy generates for a location should be the cherry on top or the trump card.

Which might work if it wasnt for the fact that WA already pays the nrl a stack of cash to host origin and other nrl events. I was told origin costs us around $8mill a go. So not much of an enticement to get a couple for $120mill is it? It’d need to be a pretty significant package of origin, magic weekend and grand finals to flash that sort of cash for them.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Cpuple of weeks ago after they rejected the western bears bid. It was vlandys plan B. I was told at the time by someone who would know that the wa govt won’t accept it as they have no intention to own or directly fund a sports club.

Well owning the club and paying $12m a year in funding are seperate things right ?

I just find it really odd that you negotiate with Cook for six months at least ..he gIves you a lot already and then you drop this on him out of nowhere as well?

Makes zero sense to me …

Bears guy is saying this $120m ($12m by 10 years )was a “redirection of already committed funds”… what’s your take on that ?

 

[Perth Red]

Why would the article be mixing it up if that’s what the NRL have said it’s for? It makes much more sense it being that way (WA Gov grassroots infrastructure) & NRL Club investment than what was previously thought.

A couple of reasons,
1. $12mill ayear for jnr funding is a nuts amount of money when the nrlwa has been operating on $1mill from nrl And the whole,of nsw and qlnd was operating on $20mill. Dolphins only committed $2mill a year to finding pathways.
2. Cook is on record saying they will fund jnr participation through the shs program so twhere is already money committed in that area.
3. I was told by someone who would know that wasn’t what they were being asked to fund in ‘plan B‘.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

A couple of reasons,
1. $12mill ayear for jnr funding is a nuts amount of money when the nrlwa has been operating on $1mill from nrl And the whole,of nsw and qlnd was operating on $20mill. Dolphins only committed $2mill a year to finding pathways.
2. Cook is on record saying they will fund jnr participation through the shs program so twhere is already money committed in that area.
3. I was told by someone who would know that wasn’t what they were being asked to fund in ‘plan B‘.

You’re still comparing apples to a donkey turd.

Dolphins had ready made set up and existing infrastructure which has been pumping juniors for decades. They only need to service an area within a large city catchment that is within a large state catchment that’s rugby league heartland.

WA aren’t in rugby league heartland. They would naturally need more money pumped into their junior systems and if they want to bring them up to speed in the quickest possible timeframe then that will require resources and cash.

Now it’s come out that this was NRL requesting grassroots investment and therefore future resourcing the player pool without it being a drain for any longer than it needs to be.

 

[Perth Red]

Like i said they would, guess things didnt change from when my source told me their stance two weeks ago:

The WA government confirmed it had rejected the NRL’s initial funding request but would not discuss the figure proposed by the rugby league body. It is still offering to upgrade HBF Stadium and build a high-performance facility.
The NRL has privately made it clear to the government that any funding it received would be used for grassroots not players. Spokesman Misha Zelinsky declined to comment.
WA government insiders say it has no interest in pouring tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money into what amounts to a “subsidy” for the NRL just months out from an election in a state where rugby league is viewed as a peripheral sport.
“The reason we have a strong budget is because we are disciplined with our spending decisions,” a senior WA government source said.

 

[Perth Red]

Well owning the club and paying $12m a year in funding are seperate things right ?

I just find it really odd that you negotiate with Cook for six months at least ..he gIves you a lot already and then you drop this on him out of nowhere as well?

Makes zero sense to me …

Bears guy is saying this $120m ($12m by 10 years )was a “redirection of already committed funds”… what’s your take on that ?

It may have been the suggestion but doesnt really change the fact the WA govt has been very clear all along in what it will and wont pay for. Ending up with a HBF park not finished or no CofE so Vlandys can get his bribe money and whatever else the $120mill was supposed to be going to is not the outcome the WA govt want to see. Tgis statement is very telling in where they are at Id suggest: 'WA government insiders say it has no interest in pouring tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money into what amounts to a “subsidy” for the NRL'

 

[Canard]

Then they should upgrade the stadium, pour that money in, go for it.... but if they want a permanent NRL tenant there, they'll have to pay a fee for it

They aren't willing to do that, so that means no team.

That's sort of my point.

 

[Canard]

It may have been the suggestion but doesnt really change the fact the WA govt has been very clear all along in what it will and wont pay for. Ending up with a HBF park not finished or no CofE so Vlandys can get his bribe money and whatever else the $120mill was supposed to be going to is not the outcome the WA govt want to see. Tgis statement is very telling in where they are at Id suggest: 'WA government insiders say it has no interest in pouring tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money into what amounts to a “subsidy” for the NRL'

I mean, you are just literally requoting my post from 5 posts back??

 

[Perth Red]

You’re still comparing apples to a donkey turd.

Dolphins had ready made set up and existing infrastructure which has been pumping juniors for decades. They only need to service an area within a large city catchment that is within a large state catchment that’s rugby league heartland.

WA aren’t in rugby league heartland. They would naturally need more money pumped into their junior systems and if they want to bring them up to speed in the quickest possible timeframe then that will require resources and cash.

Now it’s come out that this was NRL requesting grassroots investment and therefore future resourcing the player pool without it being a drain for any longer than it needs to be.

I thought that was one of the big reasons why we partnered with the Bears???? If we are expected to build it all and fund it all ourselves not much point in a NS partnership.

 

[Wb1234]

And the afl is pumping $120mill into tassie as part of that deal to fund grassroots in tassie and other contributions. Maybe cook said ‘sure we’ll do what tassie is doing if you do what afl is doing’?

Maybe that’s why the nrl offered 50 million in funding to match the increased money the wa govt would put in ??

 

[Perth Red]

Maybe that’s why the nrl offered 50 million in funding to match the increased money the wa govt would put in ??

Maybe NRL needed to offer more, maybe their business case doesnt stack up lol

 

[Red&BlackBear]

It may have been the suggestion but doesnt really change the fact the WA govt has been very clear all along in what it will and wont pay for. Ending up with a HBF park not finished or no CofE so Vlandys can get his bribe money and whatever else the $120mill was supposed to be going to is not the outcome the WA govt want to see. Tgis statement is very telling in where they are at Id suggest: 'WA government insiders say it has no interest in pouring tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money into what amounts to a “subsidy” for the NRL'

No what’s telling is that the money is for grassroots and infrastructure, not for club set up or players.

I’m sure the taskforce will negotiate a resolution. The fact one exists shows willingness to meet somewhere in the middle.

I thought that was one of the big reasons why we partnered with the Bears???? If we are expected to build it all and fund it all ourselves not much point in a NS partnership.

You still need to build infrastructure within the state grassroots, which is what the point is.

You could be partnered with Panthers or Broncos and would still require funding to bring an entire states grassroots level up to par. I think you’re missing the point here.

 

[Wb1234]

It may have been the suggestion but doesnt really change the fact the WA govt has been very clear all along in what it will and wont pay for. Ending up with a HBF park not finished or no CofE so Vlandys can get his bribe money and whatever else the $120mill was supposed to be going to is not the outcome the WA govt want to see. Tgis statement is very telling in where they are at Id suggest: 'WA government insiders say it has no interest in pouring tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money into what amounts to a “subsidy” for the NRL'

The wa govt don’t seem to have a problem subsidising the north Melbourne afl club

 

[Perth Red]

The wa govt don’t seem to have a problem subsidising the north Melbourne afl club

They've always been happy to pay for sports events that bring sports tourism and utilisies their stadium investment, including RL events.

 

[Perth Red]

No what’s telling is that the money is for grassroots and infrastructure, not for club set up or players.

I’m sure the taskforce will negotiate a resolution. The fact one exists shows willingness to meet somewhere in the middle.

You still need to build infrastructure within the state grassroots, which is what the point is.

You could be partnered with Panthers or Broncos and would still require funding to bring an entire states grassroots level up to par. I think you’re missing the point here.

Dont disagree, but $120mill of grassroots funding? I think the statement was very telling that they are not convinced either that that is what the money is for, of that the NRL shouldn't expect a state government to do all its work for it in increasing participation. If they had asked for $3-4mill then that would still be quadruple what the NRL puts into grass roots here.

and if we did spend $120mill on grassroots development I see no reason for the need for a partnership with the Bears beyond 5 years. By then we should be self sufficient in player development.

 

[BuffaloRules]

It may have been the suggestion but doesnt really change the fact the WA govt has been very clear all along in what it will and wont pay for. Ending up with a HBF park not finished or no CofE so Vlandys can get his bribe money and whatever else the $120mill was supposed to be going to is not the outcome the WA govt want to see. Tgis statement is very telling in where they are at Id suggest: 'WA government insiders say it has no interest in pouring tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money into what amounts to a “subsidy” for the NRL'

So PVL has asked for $120m to be diverted from the Stadium upgrade or COE ?

im struggling to believe that ..

 

[Wb1234]

They've always been happy to pay for sports events that bring sports tourism and utilisies their stadium investment, including RL events.

So they have no problem paying teams directly to play there ?

Well that’s the Perth bears lol

North mel to get 2 million pa to take 2 games there to promote tourism

Just like they want an nrl team to promote tourism and based on the deal above for 2 games the wa govt should be paying the club 12 million pa

Looks like pvl is spot on