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MugaB

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Why? I support a Perth side being brought in. I don't support lumping them with a historical failure who will try to force them to play home games in Sydney.
This thread is for the WA Bears, not the mythical creature that you assume perf would've been
The Perf Maxipads
 
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AlwaysGreen

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Are they? season hasn't started, need a calendar
...Never mentioned that we had won them all still competing in 5 GFs in a row is a pretty high success rate, how'd did the Raiders do last time they were in one?
They lost
What has this got to do with nrl expansion?
 

Wb1234

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It’s subscription, please cut and paste
“We don’t plan to own any new franchise,” he said.

“Any new organisation will be a club governed by members and in the first couple of years, we (the ARLC) will appoint the board, not the members.

“Once the club is established, the members will appoint the board, so a Perth club will always be owned by the members.

“With the AFL, they will run the Tasmanian team … the NRL will not be owning any licence.”
 

Iamback

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You know just because a player plays juniors for a club, doesn't mean that they have to play NRL for that club right? Why would a North Sydney kid be more likely to go and live in Perth than a kid from Campbelltown or Cronulla or Parramatta?

So the Dolphins don't get a share of the grant then? They didn't contribute, so they don't get access to it right? Why are people talking about how it will get waived for NZ2 or the next Brisbane team? Why don't they have to buy a share of the grant?

I will slow it down for you. You seem to unable to keep up

X gun junior dominates school carnival is chased by for example

Roosters
Bulldogs
Parra

And Perth

In year 10 he needs to pack and move across the country. There is maybe 1% chance he picks that option.

However have him going to Perth in 2 years time BUT he can continue to live and go to school here.

Maybe that increases from 1% to 10%. That is why linking with a NSW or QLD club makes the team stronger especially if they land a few of these gun kids

As for Dolphins. Rumours are the clubs weren't happy about that. Hence why no one has spoke out against it from the clubs or the state bodies

even putting that aside

Fox Sports paid roughly $15m extra for TV to pay for the Dolphins

Should they get into trouble they also own a Stadium and Shopping amongst other assets

As a opposed to a couple of rich guys that put some money together for a team

The 2 cases aren't anywhere near the same
 

Wb1234

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NRL expansion latest as ARLC chair Peter V’landys slams Perth speculation

Peter V’landys concedes talks over a Perth expansion team are at a crucial stage, but has a message for critics who believe the NRL’s strategic plan for a 20-team league by 2030 is in tatters.

Peter Badel Brent Readand Michael Carayannis
November 1, 2024 - 4:26PM

News Sport Network

ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys insists the Perth Bears are not dead amid fears the NRL’s expansion plans could sensationally collapse over a $120 million funding dispute with the West Australian government.

The ARLC’s expansion masterplan was rocked by a report which alleged the WA government had rejected an NRL request to provide $12m in annual funding for the next decade to support an 18th team.

The demise of a West Australian bid would represent a disaster for the North Sydney Bears, whose hopes of a triumphant return to the big league in 2027 hinge on a successful alliance with Perth.

The Bears’ NRL hopes aren’t dead yet.

Speculation of negotiating ructions involving the WA government come on the back of the NRL rejecting eight bid proposals, including a Perth-based consortium led by Cash Converters tycoon Peter Cumins.

That has triggered concerns the NRL’s strategic plan for a 20-team league by 2030 is in tatters at a time when the ARLC has also rebuffed three proposals from New Zealand consortia in Christchurch.

V’landys concedes there is a possibility talks with the WA government could fail, but he remains confident the Perth Bears will be unveiled as the NRL’s 18th team within two to four weeks.

“I am absolutely confident that we will have 20 teams,” V’landys said.

“Don’t write off Perth and say they are gone — the media speculation about that is not correct.

“We are in deep discussions with the WA government right now so how people can suggest things have been rejected is beyond me.

“I believe it (the birth of the Perth Bears as the 18th team) will happen, but there’s always a possibility that the Perth team won’t happen.

ARL Commission chair Peter V'landys says negotiations with the WA Government are continuing.

“We have to be realistic.

“The negotiations with the WA government are continuing. Nothing has been concluded or rejected.

“We are still in talks and they will continue for the next few weeks.

“We will see what eventuates with those discussions and they will conclude either with a (Perth) team or without a team.”

V’landys stressed the importance of the Bears brand and vowed to find contingency options for North Sydney bosses if the Perth franchise failed to reach first base.

“If the Perth bid goes ahead, the Bears are front and centre of it,” he said.

“If it doesn’t work with Perth, we would look at other options for them.

“The Bears brand has great history and a huge supporter base and we want them involved with expansion, absolutely.

“I would love to see the Bears back in the NRL.”

It is understood the NRL is considering emulating the expansion model deployed by the AFL, whose 19th team in Tasmania will receive $144m in funding — $12m for a 12-year period.

The WA government is said to be baulking at an outlay in excess of $100m, but V’landys stressed talks can be salvaged, insisting the admission of a Perth franchise would be an economic bonanza.

The Bears are front and centre of a Perth plan.

“What has to be remembered is the economic benefit to Perth because an NRL team there will bring enormous investment into the state,” he said.

“This is not a handout from the WA government, it’s an investment from them because an NRL will bring substantial value to Perth.

“If they invest in grassroots, they will have thousands of kids playing sport and that’s important from a welfare perspective, having Western Australian kids out there playing sport.

“I’m still confident there will be a resolution with the (WA) government but these negotiations have to happen and until they are finalised, we have to consider all outcomes.”

V’landys confirmed the ARLC has struck a $600 million deal with the Federal government for Papua New Guinea to enter the competition, most likely in 2028, pending the final imprimatur from an NRL-club committee.

“We still have to go to the clubs about PNG,” he said.

“Our negotiations with them (Federal government and PNG chiefs) have concluded.

“We are happy with the deal … all we have to do now is go to the clubs, show them the business case stacks up and then the licence will be issued in consultation with three NRL chairmen.”



There you go Perth red

Article was previously posted by red and black bear
 

Red&BlackBear

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That’s the point of the bears partnership isn’t it? and Pathways from day one whilst WA’s get built to compliment it.
there wold be assets and infrastructure the govt has committed to building the club a cofe and the bid had a few million in reserves After start up costs. Of course, people aren’t depositing $30mill into an account just in case they get a license at some time lol. There would be legal agreements between the investors though that would secure the committed funding.

it’s similar because everything the dolphins had the western bears had committed to be in place by kick off. If there was a concern about viability then why wasn't a bank or govt surety asked for like dolphins? That covers that risk.
Yes pathways as it was clearly pointed out.

But as was also equally pointed to you there’s no infrastructure in place and the investment is on the proviso that the club actually gets in, where as Dolphins had it in place already. Tangible, real.

Again how you’re not seeing the difference is beyond me. Do you like to go around in circles?
 
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Gobsmacked

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NRL expansion latest as ARLC chair Peter V’landys slams Perth speculation

Peter V’landys concedes talks over a Perth expansion team are at a crucial stage, but has a message for critics who believe the NRL’s strategic plan for a 20-team league by 2030 is in tatters.

Peter Badel Brent Readand Michael Carayannis
November 1, 2024 - 4:26PM

News Sport Network

ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys insists the Perth Bears are not dead amid fears the NRL’s expansion plans could sensationally collapse over a $120 million funding dispute with the West Australian government.

The ARLC’s expansion masterplan was rocked by a report which alleged the WA government had rejected an NRL request to provide $12m in annual funding for the next decade to support an 18th team.

The demise of a West Australian bid would represent a disaster for the North Sydney Bears, whose hopes of a triumphant return to the big league in 2027 hinge on a successful alliance with Perth.

The Bears’ NRL hopes aren’t dead yet.

Speculation of negotiating ructions involving the WA government come on the back of the NRL rejecting eight bid proposals, including a Perth-based consortium led by Cash Converters tycoon Peter Cumins.

That has triggered concerns the NRL’s strategic plan for a 20-team league by 2030 is in tatters at a time when the ARLC has also rebuffed three proposals from New Zealand consortia in Christchurch.

V’landys concedes there is a possibility talks with the WA government could fail, but he remains confident the Perth Bears will be unveiled as the NRL’s 18th team within two to four weeks.

“I am absolutely confident that we will have 20 teams,” V’landys said.

“Don’t write off Perth and say they are gone — the media speculation about that is not correct.

“We are in deep discussions with the WA government right now so how people can suggest things have been rejected is beyond me.

“I believe it (the birth of the Perth Bears as the 18th team) will happen, but there’s always a possibility that the Perth team won’t happen.

ARL Commission chair Peter V'landys says negotiations with the WA Government are continuing.

“We have to be realistic.

“The negotiations with the WA government are continuing. Nothing has been concluded or rejected.

“We are still in talks and they will continue for the next few weeks.

“We will see what eventuates with those discussions and they will conclude either with a (Perth) team or without a team.”

V’landys stressed the importance of the Bears brand and vowed to find contingency options for North Sydney bosses if the Perth franchise failed to reach first base.

“If the Perth bid goes ahead, the Bears are front and centre of it,” he said.

“If it doesn’t work with Perth, we would look at other options for them.

“The Bears brand has great history and a huge supporter base and we want them involved with expansion, absolutely.

“I would love to see the Bears back in the NRL.”

It is understood the NRL is considering emulating the expansion model deployed by the AFL, whose 19th team in Tasmania will receive $144m in funding — $12m for a 12-year period.

The WA government is said to be baulking at an outlay in excess of $100m, but V’landys stressed talks can be salvaged, insisting the admission of a Perth franchise would be an economic bonanza.

The Bears are front and centre of a Perth plan.

“What has to be remembered is the economic benefit to Perth because an NRL team there will bring enormous investment into the state,” he said.

“This is not a handout from the WA government, it’s an investment from them because an NRL will bring substantial value to Perth.

“If they invest in grassroots, they will have thousands of kids playing sport and that’s important from a welfare perspective, having Western Australian kids out there playing sport.

“I’m still confident there will be a resolution with the (WA) government but these negotiations have to happen and until they are finalised, we have to consider all outcomes.”

V’landys confirmed the ARLC has struck a $600 million deal with the Federal government for Papua New Guinea to enter the competition, most likely in 2028, pending the final imprimatur from an NRL-club committee.

“We still have to go to the clubs about PNG,” he said.

“Our negotiations with them (Federal government and PNG chiefs) have concluded.

“We are happy with the deal … all we have to do now is go to the clubs, show them the business case stacks up and then the licence will be issued in consultation with three NRL chairmen.”



There you go Perth red

Article was previously posted by red and black bear
"If it doesn’t work with Perth, we would look at other options for them."
Imagine Perth Reds head explode if they announce South Island Bears lol
 

Perth Red

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“We don’t plan to own any new franchise,” he said.

“Any new organisation will be a club governed by members and in the first couple of years, we (the ARLC) will appoint the board, not the members.

“Once the club is established, the members will appoint the board, so a Perth club will always be owned by the members.

“With the AFL, they will run the Tasmanian team … the NRL will not be owning any licence.”
Cheers, that’s really interesting. So who’s paying the $50mill start up? How much money is a sell off to a membership likely to raise? Do we have any models like this in the nrl other than LC and souths min ownership by sths Jnrs?
 

Perth Red

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NRL expansion latest as ARLC chair Peter V’landys slams Perth speculation

Peter V’landys concedes talks over a Perth expansion team are at a crucial stage, but has a message for critics who believe the NRL’s strategic plan for a 20-team league by 2030 is in tatters.

Peter Badel Brent Readand Michael Carayannis
November 1, 2024 - 4:26PM

News Sport Network

ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys insists the Perth Bears are not dead amid fears the NRL’s expansion plans could sensationally collapse over a $120 million funding dispute with the West Australian government.

The ARLC’s expansion masterplan was rocked by a report which alleged the WA government had rejected an NRL request to provide $12m in annual funding for the next decade to support an 18th team.

The demise of a West Australian bid would represent a disaster for the North Sydney Bears, whose hopes of a triumphant return to the big league in 2027 hinge on a successful alliance with Perth.

The Bears’ NRL hopes aren’t dead yet.

Speculation of negotiating ructions involving the WA government come on the back of the NRL rejecting eight bid proposals, including a Perth-based consortium led by Cash Converters tycoon Peter Cumins.

That has triggered concerns the NRL’s strategic plan for a 20-team league by 2030 is in tatters at a time when the ARLC has also rebuffed three proposals from New Zealand consortia in Christchurch.

V’landys concedes there is a possibility talks with the WA government could fail, but he remains confident the Perth Bears will be unveiled as the NRL’s 18th team within two to four weeks.

“I am absolutely confident that we will have 20 teams,” V’landys said.

“Don’t write off Perth and say they are gone — the media speculation about that is not correct.

“We are in deep discussions with the WA government right now so how people can suggest things have been rejected is beyond me.

“I believe it (the birth of the Perth Bears as the 18th team) will happen, but there’s always a possibility that the Perth team won’t happen.

ARL Commission chair Peter V'landys says negotiations with the WA Government are continuing.

“We have to be realistic.

“The negotiations with the WA government are continuing. Nothing has been concluded or rejected.

“We are still in talks and they will continue for the next few weeks.

“We will see what eventuates with those discussions and they will conclude either with a (Perth) team or without a team.”

V’landys stressed the importance of the Bears brand and vowed to find contingency options for North Sydney bosses if the Perth franchise failed to reach first base.

“If the Perth bid goes ahead, the Bears are front and centre of it,” he said.

“If it doesn’t work with Perth, we would look at other options for them.

“The Bears brand has great history and a huge supporter base and we want them involved with expansion, absolutely.

“I would love to see the Bears back in the NRL.”

It is understood the NRL is considering emulating the expansion model deployed by the AFL, whose 19th team in Tasmania will receive $144m in funding — $12m for a 12-year period.

The WA government is said to be baulking at an outlay in excess of $100m, but V’landys stressed talks can be salvaged, insisting the admission of a Perth franchise would be an economic bonanza.

The Bears are front and centre of a Perth plan.

“What has to be remembered is the economic benefit to Perth because an NRL team there will bring enormous investment into the state,” he said.

“This is not a handout from the WA government, it’s an investment from them because an NRL will bring substantial value to Perth.

“If they invest in grassroots, they will have thousands of kids playing sport and that’s important from a welfare perspective, having Western Australian kids out there playing sport.

“I’m still confident there will be a resolution with the (WA) government but these negotiations have to happen and until they are finalised, we have to consider all outcomes.”

V’landys confirmed the ARLC has struck a $600 million deal with the Federal government for Papua New Guinea to enter the competition, most likely in 2028, pending the final imprimatur from an NRL-club committee.

“We still have to go to the clubs about PNG,” he said.

“Our negotiations with them (Federal government and PNG chiefs) have concluded.

“We are happy with the deal … all we have to do now is go to the clubs, show them the business case stacks up and then the licence will be issued in consultation with three NRL chairmen.”



There you go Perth red

Article was previously posted by red and black bear
I saw that one, wondering where this bit has come from? It’s not in that article?

“We don’t plan to own any new franchise,” he said.
“Any new organisation will be a club governed by members and in the first couple of years, we (the ARLC) will appoint the board, not the members.
“Once the club is established, the members will appoint the board, so a Perth club will always be owned by the members.
“With the AFL, they will run the Tasmanian team … the NRL will not be owning any licence.”
 

Wb1234

Immortal
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I saw that one, wondering where this bit has come from? It’s not in that article?

“We don’t plan to own any new franchise,” he said.
“Any new organisation will be a club governed by members and in the first couple of years, we (the ARLC) will appoint the board, not the members.
“Once the club is established, the members will appoint the board, so a Perth club will always be owned by the members.
“With the AFL, they will run the Tasmanian team … the NRL will not be owning any licence.”
Different article

Wookie posted it he didn’t post the full article
 

Perth Red

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"If it doesn’t work with Perth, we would look at other options for them."
Imagine Perth Reds head explode if they announce South Island Bears lol
Ironically id be laughing if this happens. Part of me has always felt that if it wasn’t setup right with the bears it would be a sht show. Maybe waiting for our own club however long that takes and let nz figure it out with a Sydney club might not be such a bad thing.
 

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