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Warriors embarrass Union

ozbash

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Found this on stuff by Lindsay Knight, who i always thought was a die hard union man.
Makes for interesting reading.
I wonder if last weekends crowd was a one-off, helped along by leitchy's advertising of family discounted prices.

The acid test will be v the Sea Eagles.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4165747a1823.html


If the rugby authorities needed a wakeup call as to the true plight of the game in New Zealand at present then it was surely provided last weekend when in Auckland the Air New Zealand Cup and the Warriors' involvement in the Australian league competition clashed.
The Auckland-Waikato ANZC match kicked off at Eden Park at 5.35pm, followed a couple of hours later by the Warriors' match against the Gold Coast Titans. The rugby match attracted a crowd of just over 14,000, despite having many positive aspects.

Both Waikato and especially Auckland are playing attractive rugby and, as expected, produced a rousing contest. The game was also preceded by an appealing curtainraiser, the Gallaher Shield final between Ponsonby and Waitemata.
But the Warriors easily won the box office battle.
At Mt Smart there was a crowd of more than 20,000, which was a fair and accurate reflection of where the two codes may be in public estimation at the moment.
Now the Warriors are looking for an even bigger crowd at their next home game, against Manly.
Even a rugby connoisseur would have to agree that the way the Warriors are playing they deserve every plaudit they are now receiving.
Surprisingly, because he is an Australian, their captain Steve Price is gaining a folk hero status comparable to even great All Blacks like Dan Carter and Richie McCaw.
And it's beyond any argument just which is the easier game to watch these days, even if the rugby lovers among us find some of the gloating of the likes of league guru Graham Lowe hard to digest.
But it has to be said they have a point. With its constant scrum re-sets, confusion by referees, players and everyone else at the tackle ball breakdowns, rugby, with the occasional exception like the Auckland-Waikato game, has been all year a frustrating exercise.
The game, for the most part, gives every impression of being over-managed and certainly over refereed, and for all their numbers and visual aids referees still manage to miss what really matters, such as a punch.
It can only be hoped that the experimental laws, which will be used in the upcoming provincial second XV competition, will bring much needed improvements.
But the advice of a cynic is to not hold your breath on that one, either.
Over the past 100 years there have been frequent efforts made to streamline the playing laws.
The last was the extensive exercise of about 15 to 16 years ago, "The Game for the 90s," in which a number of leading coaches and lateral thinkers, such as Laurie Mains, were involved. That did lead to some excellent innovations, many of which are still in force, including the five point try.
But, mainly through British intervention, many of their basic aims have long since been compromised, including an intended reduction of penalty shots at goal.
Besides the laws, though, there are many other practices and policies the New Zealand union should urgently review. As well as being over-refereed, over managed and over analysed the game is also being over exposed.
Instead of berating the public of North Harbour, Dunedin and Counties-Manukau for not supporting games, the NZRU, and Sky TV itself, would be better off looking at themselves for reasons why some matches are not drawing crowds.
As one example, a game anywhere in Auckland on a Friday night should be an obvious no-no because of traffic problems.
We all know live telecasts are essential in the professional era, but it has got to the stage now where emphasising the interests of television are to the detriment of the product itself.
A return to a few basics may be long overdue: more afternoon games, more room in the calendar for domestic club competitions. But both of those, alas, appear to be casualties of commercialism.
Right now the NZRU needs to launch a major public relations offensive to restore some of its battered image.
It certainly deserved much of the criticism heaped on it recently for not being involved in the 20th anniversary reunion of the 1987 All Black World Cup winning side. Apart from president, Andy Leslie, attending as a guest that was left instead to the Halberg Trust.
Just as the 1987 success came as a tonic after a couple of turbulent years, so too may another win at this year's tournament in France be the game's salvation.
There would be a certain irony to that, of course, for one of the main contributors to what has been a dismal season so far has been the obsession with winning the World Cup, and the license All Black coach Graham Henry has been given to re-arrange practically everything else to suit his cause.
If the World Cup is not won then New Zealand rugby's future may be grim. There are already signs that sustaining professionalism, and financial liquidity, is undergoing huge strains which eventually may become intolerable.
 

ozbash

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only single seats sales

they also said on tv 1 news its just about a full house. still 10 days to go......
 

SpaceMonkey

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ozbash said:
The Warriors v Sea Eagles is just about sold out.

Wow, thats fantastic. Hope the boys go hard for the next 3 weeks and finish 3rd or 4th, how good would a home final be?
 
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Awesome news.

Is a great leadin game to the finals for Manly too, hopefully Hasler doesn't rest the big guns for the game. So many great matchups all over the park, Stewart v McKinnon probably the pick of the bunch
 

JJ

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Knight is a die-hard union man. I think it's pretty healthy that they're now open to taking a critical look at the problems in their game.

But the thing is crowds were big etc etc the last time the Warriors did well, so it's hardly a new phenomenon - and people were decrying rugby as boring and unbder threat then - Mick Watson had a decent crack IIRC.

I reckon there's room for both games, even in a small country like NZ, but if league really wants to compete they need to get things sorted at grassroots and school levels - the NZRL remains a joke, so even if the Warriors continue to go well, and even if we had a second professional team I don't think things will change until loeague administrators take a critical look at themselves
 

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JJ said:
Knight is a die-hard union man. I think it's pretty healthy that they're now open to taking a critical look at the problems in their game.

But the thing is crowds were big etc etc the last time the Warriors did well, so it's hardly a new phenomenon - and people were decrying rugby as boring and unbder threat then - Mick Watson had a decent crack IIRC.

I reckon there's room for both games, even in a small country like NZ, but if league really wants to compete they need to get things sorted at grassroots and school levels - the NZRL remains a joke, so even if the Warriors continue to go well, and even if we had a second professional team I don't think things will change until loeague administrators take a critical look at themselves

The thing is though JJ the NZRL has seriously struggled to get league into the school system for 100 years. The NZRL has even taken to seeing the last 2 governments about the problems they have encounter over the years from headmasters and teachers not willing to let league be played at there school. About 3 years ago the NZRL released a list of first class and all black rugby players that had been lost to league because the players get pulled into the highschool rugby union system and stay there. It was a huge list of high quality players.
And while i agree with you that the NZRL is a joke people need to start realising that as far as the school system goes rugby league faces huge barriers in trying to get into the school system.
 

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Of course it does, but so too did other sports (admittedly less so). People are much more open minded these days, and I still maintain it's up to the NZRL to make it viable - they are and remain a disgrace, and everyone knows it. Why would schools let them in anyway, when they are laughable and everyone knows they'll f**k it up?

You have to wonder where league would be in NZ without the Australians taking some talent, and the support of the NRL via the Warriors existence.
 
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They did a test on Radio Sport, timing the amount of ball in play in the first half hour of the Auckland Yawnion game, and the Warriors League game on the weekend.

The results are pretty unexpected but still quite shocking. In the 30 minutes of League, the ball was in play a total of approximately 29minutes. In the 30 minutes of Yawnion, the ball was in play a total of 7 MINUTES!!!

This is why Yawnion has been a ratings fizzer as of late, it seems like the ball boys touch the ball more often than the players.
 

gunnamatta bay

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I would like see this story posted this on the nrl forum for all to view.

I like the dig at Graham Lowe who gave it to yawion again about 2 weeks ago.
 

mean

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JJ said:
Of course it does, but so too did other sports (admittedly less so). People are much more open minded these days, and I still maintain it's up to the NZRL to make it viable - they are and remain a disgrace, and everyone knows it. Why would schools let them in anyway, when they are laughable and everyone knows they'll f**k it up?

You have to wonder where league would be in NZ without the Australians taking some talent, and the support of the NRL via the Warriors existence.

It was reported a couple of weeks ago that the NRL spend $22million on development programmes. Now imagine if the NZRL spent $2million on development let alone another $20 million.
 

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Sam_the_man said:
And while i agree with you that the NZRL is a joke people need to start realising that as far as the school system goes rugby league faces huge barriers in trying to get into the school system.

League needs to concentrate on schools that don't have a good 1st XV setup already- schools with great union infrastructures are always going to be harder to crack. Use those schools to get good competition structure up and running, then the Rugby shools might sit up and take notice.
 

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mean said:
It was reported a couple of weeks ago that the NRL spend $22million on development programmes. Now imagine if the NZRL spent $2million on development let alone another $20 million.

Does any of the NRL development money go into NZ? Considering that we provide 6.2% of the teams, probably closer to 20% of the players, and a good chunk of the broadcast revenue to the NRL you'd hope that at least 1.5-2M of that money was heading across the ditch.
 

mean

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I think maybe with the introduction of our secondary schools team playing aussies' one this year may introduce some interest.

Murray Mexted's academy is what we need, where club's can send an upcoming player to or someone could sponsor to send. Something like what the ARL does with it's Jets, but more provincially. Bergman has set something up really well in Wellington.
 

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