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warriors told to get lost.

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ozbash

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The heroic Warriors and their coach have been snubbed in our national sports awards, a decision angering fans, politicians and sporting greats.
The team that captured the hearts of the nation during its historic drive to the NRL rugby league grand final has been deemed not good enough to make the shortlist of four finalists for the sports team of the year at the Halberg Awards. Coach Daniel Anderson will also be left off the shortlist of finalists for top coach. "I'm flabbergasted. For the first time in my life I'm lost for words. The people who do the judging need to have a look at themselves," said the Warriors' number one fan, "Mad Butcher" Peter Leitch. Warriors chief executive Mick Watson said the team deserved to be a finalist. "It's disappointing for the players not to get recognition. The players desrve it as does Daniel Anderson, who is recognised as up there with the elite coaches in Australasia." But the judging panel has defended its decision, saying the Warriors did not measure up. The team finalists, to be announced on Thursday, are 470 yachties Simon Cooke and Peter Nicholas, rowing twins Caroline and Georgina Evers-Swindell, the Tall Blacks basketball team and the Crusaders rugby team. The respective coaches of those teams, John Clinton, Dick Tonks, Tab Baldwin and Robbie Deans will battle it out for the coach award. The Evers-Swindells won the double sculls world championship in Seville in September, breaking a world record. The sailors won the 470 world title, the Tall Blacks came from nowhere to reach the semi-finals of the basketball world championships and the Crusaders produced a perfect 13 victories to win the Super 12 title. The winners will be announced at a gala dinner in Auckland on February 20. The judges' decision to overlook the Warriors clashes dramatically with popular opinion. Sports Minister Trevor Mallard was surprised last night about the snub. "The Warriors captured New Zealand's imagination and they were an amazing case of a massive turnaround of fortunes. If I was doing the list, they would be there and I think Daniel Anderson should be too." Kiwi athletics legend John Walker said he could not understand the decision. "The Warriors did something no one has done in a long time - it's very seldom that a team unites the country in the way they did. And Daniel Anderson should be coach of the year. "You have to wonder how they came up with the names and the criteria they used. It seems to be someone's whim." The Warriors enjoyed an outstanding season, being crowned NRL minor premiers for the first time and reaching the NRL grand final, where they lost 30-8 to the Sydney Roosters. Anderson told the Sunday Star-Times he would not let the snub affect him. "It's not something I can do anything about," he said. "I don't know what the criteria is. I've got influence on the way the team performs but not on the awards." New Zealand Rugby League president Selwyn Pearson said he was "extremely disappointed". "They should have been picked, they really are the people's team. "And I think it's hurtful that Daniel Anderson is not there. The NRL is the toughest competition in the world and the coaches he was up against were all-time greats. To get to the grand final in his second year is a phenomenal performance." Pearson said he would welcome the introduction of a people's choice award as part of the event. Dave Currie, executive director of the Halberg Trust, gave a strong hint the public sentiment surrounding the Warriors' performances of 2002 counted for little with the judging panel. "The awards are about sporting performance, not about being a popularity contest," he said. "There was a bit of chat about that when the judges met but we decided we had to focus on talking about performance and not about who was more popular than someone else." He said he was comfortable with the make-up of the judging panel of 10 journalists and five sportspeople. And there were no plans for a people's choice award. But he conceded the addition of the sportspeople - in only their second year on the panel - had added a more "hard-nosed" approach to the judging process. "At the end of the day, doing well and nearly getting there is fine, but you've got to nail it." Olympic kayaking gold medallist Ian Ferguson, one of the judges, said the lack of international competition in the NRL counted against the Warriors. "It was all very close in the team and coach awards, with one point between the top six," he said. "The Warriors were in a competition that just involved New Zealand and Australia, compared to sports like the basketball championships where 60 countries were competing, making it much harder. "We couldn't be persuaded by what the popular choice was. We were looking for sporting excellence, not the country's favourite because it got good TV coverage." As well as Ferguson, the judges are former netballer Sandra Edge, former tennis star Chris Lewis, former rower Chris White and former swimmer Anna Simcic. The journalists on the panel are Tony Johnson (Sky TV), Brendan Telfer (Radio Sport), Joseph Romanos (Listener), Bryce Johns (The Dominion Post), David Leggatt (NZ Herald), Geoff Bryant (TVNZ), Ron Palenski, Kevin Tutty (The Press), Howard Dobson (TV3) and Duncan Johnstone (Star-Times). There is brighter news for the Warriors' inspirational captain Stacey Jones. He is expected to be named as a finalist in the best sportsman award. Jones said the judges' decision against the team would simply spur it on to greater glory.

 

Willow

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To me, the article has two opposing quotes that sum it up:

"They should have been picked, they really are the people's team. "

and

"The awards are about sporting performance, not about being a popularity contest."
If thats the case and public sentiment counts for zilch then the awards are worthless.
 
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ozbash

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absolutely agree, the warriors should be their on merit,,the popularity is secondary and acts as a bonus (as well as ammnunition for the crap that will follow).
the warriors built up all season,the country couldnt get enough of then come finals time. rugby union was spoken in the past tense.
but when push comes to shove over here, the journo,s know better than to bite the hand that feeds them (nzrfu).
the warriors would need to win the ESL,NRL,SOO and the world cup to get the recognition they deserve.

hopefully there will be a lot of noise outside and inside the awards ceromony on feb 20th.

there have been some really low,shitty things happen in league the last couple of years but this takes the bloody cake..


far out,, even matt o reckoned daniel anderson should have been coach of the year....:mad:
 

imported_E_A__

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far out,, even matt o reckoned daniel anderson should have been coach of the year....:mad:

Good enough reason on it's own to give it to someone else.

Pretty crook decision ozbash, I was amazed at the Warriors this year. The hardest competition in the toughest game on the Planet and they came a gallant second. Makes you want to follow rowing....NOT.

 
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Awards Leaking Does Not Impress
30/12/2002 07:18 AM
The possible leaking of the finalists for this year's Halberg Awards has not impressed Dave Currie.
A newspaper report this morning claimed to know the candidates short listed for the team and coaches awards, declaring the Warriors a glaring omission from the teams category.
Halberg Trust CEO Dave Currie has yet to see the article but says he hopes it is just speculation.
However, he says if it turns out the details have been leaked he will not be happy.
Dave Currie says if anyone has revealed the finalists, they could be dropped from the panel in future.

www.xtra.co.nz
 

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Let's hope it's just speculation, but I have my doubts.

League has always been pushed to the background in NZ, having to live in the shadow of union.

The way the country was behind the Warriors in the finals this year cannot be overlooked, especially if there is a hint of success for them in 2003.
 

Willow

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I've never heard of the Halberg Awards before now but they do sound like they live in their own little world.
Those awards look like Oscars with a grade 3 footy cup base... lol. Nice touch.
 
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ozbash

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the Halberg Awards are the top of the line for nz sportsmen and women.
it is usually dominated by union sides/individuals/coaches/administrators and i think the warriors have created a precedent..
they blame the fact that anderson and 4 of the players are aussies but 3 of the 4 nominees were not born in nz...

http://www.halberg.co.nz/
 

imported_kier

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I have mixed feelings about what has happened.....

Without doubt what has happened is a disgrace - and a prety transparent one at that - the kind of thing that has happened for many years.

What is different here though is that the majority of people also think it's wrong too.......and that fills me with hope that the traditional predjudice against RL is (slowly) being over-turned.

The omission of the Warriors was TV news and FRONT page news on the sunday papers..........the kind of treatment that RL traditionally gets is finally being exposed for what it is.......

I have a cutting from the "Weekend Press" by Warwick Roger from Oct this year.....he was one of the panel who selected the "North &amp; South" Kiwi of the Year. He stated that it was incredible that Stacey Jones was being considered in the short list fro the position -because;

"....two years ago we wouldn't have given him the time of day because Jones plays rugby league...."

It is always irritating when intransient bias is encountered - but I have real optimism that the tide is turning - with North and South magazine Stacey made the top 10........the media/popular outcry over the Warrior snub in a perverse way also gives me a bit of satisfaction - as now the predudice is blatently .exposed
 

Willow

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Well the old empire is entitled to their worthlessexcuses... such as, "The awards are about sporting performance, not about being a popularity contest."
They also claim that this is for international teams... which smells of shifting the rules to suit themselves.
Nevertheless, at the end of the day, its still a disgrace. The NZ RL team had a good tour didn't they? Isn't Stacey Jones now acknowledge at the world's best player?
(Did Stacey Jones feature in anything in these ponsy awards?).

Its bleeding bloody obvious that the Halbergs are a set up.

Ozbash: has been much backlash against the organisers? Are they feeling the heat?
 
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yes, a lot of people (including myself) have e-mailed the halberg trust.
one of the guys on the warriors forum put up the reply he received which said the awards were not for "losers" and for kiwis...

pretty piss poor really and i think some form of protest/disruption could be in the wings for Feb 20.
stacey is up for sportsman of the year and he actually has a good show( pero cameron,nathan astle,stacey and 1 other) but i really honestly hope he tells them where to shove it if he wins..
 

Willow

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"...one of the guys on the warriors forum put up the reply he received which said the awards were not for "losers" "
Did I read that right? Someone from the Hapsberg Empire replied that the Warriors were losers? Presumably because they were runners up?
 
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Golfer, Craig Perks is the other nominee.

He won the Players Championship, and is the early favourite.

A friend of mine who was listening to Radio Sport told me that this was what one announcer said. "How can we give sporstman of the year to a guy whose team didn't win anything. ? "

Plenty of people have said they believe there is no bias in these awards, but it doesn't wash with me.

Stacey Jones has been the single most domimant sportsman right through the whole year in New Zealand, and deserves to be SMOTY.
 

imported_Docker

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Stacey Jones has been nominated for one of the awards.

Actually, I don't altogether disagree with the panel. The Warriorscame second. In a competition in a couple of states of Australia + NZ. They would have needed to win the premiership, to warrent selectionas far as I'm concerned. Two of the other candidates were winners of world titles and in the other two cases the Basketballers fluked a 4th at the FIBA world cup and the Crusaders swept the pool at the kick and clap for the Sanzar thingy. Of these the only one the Warriors deserved to displace was the Basketball team. And how could the panel not select the Tall Blacks?
 

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