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Wasted 2 years

Delboy

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After watching a few of the RLWC and then looking back on our last 2 years, it is not a long bow to draw the conclusion that we really wasted the past couple of years.

Players failed to respond to the she'll be right attitude of the coach, and the consequent fall off in fitness and physique. On reflection apart from a couple of gams at the end of 2007 , and the game against the Roosters pre-season in 2008, we were woeful.

It just goes to show that coaching and talent identification requires real dedication, and appointing someone who did not have the passion for the club, and didn't want to live in the district comes back to bite you in the rear end.

I find it hard to acknowledge what the Knights supporters were saying was spot on, relating to the coach, but the performance of Hayne and even Inu, shows what needed to be done. I hope next year brings pressure to bear on the NRL squad, because they have let the club down big time, and the failure to promote from Wenty underlines how soft management was. In trying to be "nice" to local juniors and current players, our recruitment in the past couple of seasons has hurt, and perhaps our best player left for Yawnion to move from the Hagan regime.

The reason for posting this is that the new appointment has so much to do, and I am hoping that they bring the necessary passion required , because watching clubs like Manly and Sharks leave us behind is more than annoying, its the fact that they can talk down to us, oh well enough, let's look forward to 2009.
 

Gronk

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In 2007 we got pipped in the GF qualifier, so I can't agree that we've wasted a couple of years. Having said that 2008 was our worst year that I can remember. We may have had worse years as far as a win/loss record (during the Cronin or Hilditch years), but we never had the quality of cattle back then as we do now.

Hagan failed dismally this year and I am thankful that things have fallen into place for Anderson to take over. Like the stock market, I'm hoping that we have hit the bottom and that we climb upwards again from here.
 

jk13

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its a long bow saying tahu wanted to leave the hagan regime. vaguely remember him saying he wanted to go to union after leaving the knights but the opportunity didn't arise. we've squandered 1 year, but really i think we were over priced to begin with.
 

Ron Jeremy

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It could be worse, he could still be here.

I'm just so excited about Anderson, i reckon he could really do wonders for our club.
 

TheRam

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Geez I like to be optimistic as much as anyone, but I am very cautious about our chances of going all the way with any of the coaches that are available at this point in time. None of them could be seen at this stage of their careers as being an NRL premiership delivering coach with any great certainty. Sure the potential is there but potential is common, premiership success is rare and only time will tell.

That is why I favour an incentive based contract with options in the clubs favour.
 

Gronk

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That is why I favour an incentive based contract with options in the clubs favour.

You wont get a top coach by offering them a low coin contract with bonuses. I hear what you are saying and in theory I agree, but at the end of the day if you pay peanuts - you'll get monkeys.
 

Suitman

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You wont get a top coach by offering them a low coin contract with bonuses. I hear what you are saying and in theory I agree, but at the end of the day if you pay peanuts - you'll get monkeys.

We didn't pay peanuts to our last coach but we still got a monkey.
Go figure.

Suity
 

TheRam

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You wont get a top coach by offering them a low coin contract with bonuses. I hear what you are saying and in theory I agree, but at the end of the day if you pay peanuts - you'll get monkeys.


I'm sure both Anderson or Flanagan would except an incentive based contract which is fair and based on merit.

For one Anderson has always wanted this appointment and would not imo allow a performance based contract stop him in excepting his dream job.

As for Flanagan, imo he would except this coaching opportunity in a heart beat.

Don't confuse a performance based contract as being a lowly paying contract. I am more interested in duration options as to money value. Also they can obviously upgrade the contract if success comes our way.
 

Gronk

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I'm sure both Anderson or Flanagan would except an incentive based contract which is fair and based on merit.

For one Anderson has always wanted this appointment and would not imo allow a performance based contract stop him in excepting his dream job.

As for Flanagan, imo he would except this coaching opportunity in a heart beat.

Don't confuse a performance based contract as being a lowly paying contract. I am more interested in duration options as to money value. Also they can obviously upgrade the contract if success comes our way.

Whilst we would like him to back his ability, you would have to be nutso to accept a contract that's renumeration could be influenced by injuries or other factors out of your control.
 

TheRam

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Gronk, I don't agree. I don't think you understand how business works. We have the upper hand at this point.
 

The Colonel

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Gronk, I don't agree. I don't think you understand how business works. We have the upper hand at this point.

Outside of a few coaches to pick from, what upper hand do we really have?

* An underperforming, undermotivated roster who are supposedly suffereing from attitude problems and off field issues.
* A forward pack minus one or two players who have continually been found short of the average.
* A need for a first grade coach before the season starts proper.
* A leagues club that is facing a shortfall due to poker machine tax and other issues.

Upper hand? Who ever accepts the job has a better hand as outside of Flanagan, Anderson the rest of the candidates aren't highly sort after.
 

Stagger eel

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Gronk, I don't agree. I don't think you understand how business works. We have the upper hand at this point.

It's funny you should say that, I'm currently hearing rumours from a few sources telling me that whilst Anderson is still the clear favourite to take the job, his manager (Jim Banighan) is currently making life a little difficult through negotiations and really testing the patients of a few people.

In saying that, the problem with an incentive based contract would be that you wouldn't attract the quality you'd be looking for, into the joint, just remember, DA's asking price would be extremely high on the back of his success o/s as well as turning a side like the Warriors into a powerhouse unit in the space of 2 years.
 

Suitman

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It's funny you should say that, I'm currently hearing rumours from a few sources telling me that whilst Anderson is still the clear favourite to take the job, his manager (Jim Banighan) is currently making life a little difficult through negotiations and really testing the patients of a few people.

Is he ringing from a hospital? :?

Suity
 

TheRam

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Outside of a few coaches to pick from, what upper hand do we really have?

* An underperforming, undermotivated roster who are supposedly suffereing from attitude problems and off field issues.
* A forward pack minus one or two players who have continually been found short of the average.
* A need for a first grade coach before the season starts proper.
* A leagues club that is facing a shortfall due to poker machine tax and other issues.

Upper hand? Who ever accepts the job has a better hand as outside of Flanagan, Anderson the rest of the candidates aren't highly sort after.


Of course we do. Unless I'm mistaken there is only ONE first grade coaching job available at this very point in time is there not?

It's called supply and demand. Oh and just one other little thing, we are still considered as one of the best clubs in the league to offer both the opportunity and prestige for any coach to show his worth, just quietly.
 

TheRam

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It's funny you should say that, I'm currently hearing rumours from a few sources telling me that whilst Anderson is still the clear favourite to take the job, his manager (Jim Banighan) is currently making life a little difficult through negotiations and really testing the patients of a few people.

In saying that, the problem with an incentive based contract would be that you wouldn't attract the quality you'd be looking for, into the joint, just remember, DA's asking price would be extremely high on the back of his success o/s as well as turning a side like the Warriors into a powerhouse unit in the space of 2 years.


Let me make myself a little clearer. I am not suggesting we don't pay the new coach well no matter who he is. What I am refering to is the legnth of the contract. To avoid a similar situation as what happened with Hagan as an example, make it say 2 years with an option in the favour of the club if the new man has proven he has what it takes to turn the club around.

This way we avoid keeping a dud or a very expensive buy out or avoid other clubs poaching him if he proves to be a revelation.

I am not suggesting that we under pay the new coach while he is at the club.
 

bartman

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Same point stands, if you are after an established proven coach with a track record of success, why would he accept a two year deal with the option in the club favour, rather than put in a request for a three-four-five year deal, and let the club decide if they want to meet the terms.

I reckon DA will be after a four year contract, and we should give him that. And the way things seem to work these days no club ends up stuck with a coach they don't want for the length of the contract if things aren't working out...
 

TheRam

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Then go for Flanagan, I'm sure he would take 2 years with an option, and who knows he maybe the better coach. We are taking a punt on which would be the better one anyway. So why not make the decision which is more faverable towards the club.
 
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