Week 2 Trial Vs Tigers

[Fangs]

Yeah that where the new rule sucks, we need number 45 but in NRL. Like the old days he plays in every grade

Makes you think a bit more about NSW cup scheduling. Just a slight advantage playing first grade on Thursday/Friday. Gives those unused players some game time on the weekend if needed.

Anyway I think interchanges will be pretty normal in the early rounds. Usually with time we see things evolve and coaches get more creative. Spencer Leniu would be a perfect 18/19 in Origin now. He doesn't have to get used just depends on where we are at in the game.

 

[betcats]

Ivan won three straight grand finals with Spencer on the bench.

Would take him off the field the moment the opposition had more than one set consecutively.

Hard to think of a more archetypal impact player.

Just as a member of the prop rotation however, he'd just play short stints.

To clarify what I mean, Ivan never consistently carried a creative utiltiy that would get thrown in early. We carry a back up hooker or a back half who might get some garbage time at hooker if there are no injuries. He's never consitently varied from that and 3 forwards rotating through the pack for 65 minutes before the 4th gus gets off the pine. Maybe Salmon was the closest but he usually come on late also.

 

[betcats]

The rule isn't for an impact player or they would make one an replacement not interchange.

It is to make it easier to cover an injury, The NRL hate blow outs

Yep agree. A coach is going to look pretty dumb if they use 4 guys in the first half with the 4th being thrown in for a little impact stint then lose their full back or some other specialist late in the game and cant bring on the specialist replacement.

 

[Chins]

Yep agree. A coach is going to look pretty dumb if they use 4 guys in the first half with the 4th being thrown in for a little impact stint then lose their full back or some other specialist late in the game and cant bring on the specialist replacement.

That's why they'll hold the last player back till the last 20mins. Roll the dice if needed

 

[betcats]

That's why they'll hold the last player back till the last 20mins. Roll the dice if needed

Yep which doesnt really change much for Ivan for the first 60 cause he hardly ever uses a fourth before then. Unless Ivan shocks us we will really just have better cover for injuries i dont think our rotation off the bench will change much at all.

 

[hindy111]

It's the same number of interchanges so nothing will be different unless a specific injury requires a reserve.

With 2 extra players on bench do you need a utility? You can carry a specialist half, A specialist back and 4 x forwards.

 

[betcats]

With 2 extra players on bench do you need a utility? You can carry a specialist half, A specialist back and 4 x forwards.

And then loose your hooker.

If you carry back up hooker, back up half, back up FB or outside back you are down to 3 forwards on the bench and somehow with a 6 man bench your forward rotation is stressed if you lose 1 guy. So I think there is still room for utilities depending on the coaching preference. A centre/edge forward or back up hooker who can play in the pack also will still have some value to some coaches.

 

[Oldpanther86]

With 2 extra players on bench do you need a utility? You can carry a specialist half, A specialist back and 4 x forwards.

Yes. A utility can be used as a normal part of the rotation a specialist half is only there for injury.

 

[mxlegend99]

That's why they'll hold the last player back till the last 20mins. Roll the dice if needed

Yep.

i think a bench with a specialist back, specialist half and a specialist hooker will be common.

If your best backup hooker is also your best backup half they might get consolidated. But for us I could see something like:

14. Prop
15. Prop
16. SR
17. Cogger / Cole
18. Lussick / Scott
19. Jenkins / Fonua / Edgar

I expect we would rotate the players on the bench do they still get game time. But I think we see Cogger, Lussick and Jenkins as our main 3 on the bench. Maybe Ivan decides on just one specialist position and a utility though with 4 forwards.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[betcats]

Yeah i think the main question will be specialist back cover or an extra forward(as cover). Garner has had some pretty good games in the centres Im pretty comfortable with him as cover. I guess the thing is we dont have a winger who could slide to full back to cover Dyl. But then Kenny can defend like a prop so that gives us the option of using him as cover for the pack if needed and carrying milky or edgar or fonua.

 

[age.s]

With 2 extra players on bench do you need a utility? You can carry a specialist half, A specialist back and 4 x forwards.

This is more what I was getting at with my initial question. A guy who could play 3 spine positions at 70% while offering a 20 minute stint in the pack if everything else was humming was extremely valuable. You'd have said that was the archetype of the 14. I don't really think that kind of player is that valuable anymore when you can stack a bench with 3 guys who are essentially injury cover.

 

[Chins]

Yeah i think the main question will be specialist back cover or an extra forward(as cover). Garner has had some pretty good games in the centres Im pretty comfortable with him as cover. I guess the thing is we dont have a winger who could slide to full back to cover Dyl. But then Kenny can defend like a prop so that gives us the option of using him as cover for the pack if needed and carrying milky or edgar or fonua.

Yeah Garner helps we need to find a replacement for his role.
Alamoti can also play every position in the backline if needed.
To'o both sides equally as well.

 

[betcats]

Yeah Garner helps we need to find a replacement for his role.
Alamoti can also play every position in the backline if needed.
To'o both sides equally as well.

Assuming he can continue developing Clarke may be ready made for that role next year.

 

[betcats]

Yeah Garner helps we need to find a replacement for his role.
Alamoti can also play every position in the backline if needed.
To'o both sides equally as well.

Yeah i think Alamoti or casey in a pinch can play full back, but neither has had to yet to my knowledge so i think its a bit of question mark if we dont go with a full back cover on the bench.


Anyway I am interested to see what happens in tight games when a team gets to say 70 minutes with only using 3, being able to throw in a fresh forward at that stage might be a difference maker.

 

[Iamback]

Yep agree. A coach is going to look pretty dumb if they use 4 guys in the first half with the 4th being thrown in for a little impact stint then lose their full back or some other specialist late in the game and cant bring on the specialist replacement.

I would like a super sub type thing come in, Not sure how you would do it.

Teams have too much sameness for me, and explosive player off the bench adds something to the game

 

[Iamback]

Yeah i think the main question will be specialist back cover or an extra forward(as cover). Garner has had some pretty good games in the centres Im pretty comfortable with him as cover. I guess the thing is we dont have a winger who could slide to full back to cover Dyl. But then Kenny can defend like a prop so that gives us the option of using him as cover for the pack if needed and carrying milky or edgar or fonua.

For me, We have Jenkins in waiting. We have Sorro once again injured. Garner ageing.

I would rather go with 4 forwards. Jenkins and Cogger to cover halves as the bench

 

[betcats]

For me, We have Jenkins in waiting. We have Sorro once again injured. Garner ageing.

I would rather go with 4 forwards. Jenkins and Cogger to cover halves as the bench

I dont mind that. I think it will also be a horses for courses situation at times. Against the bigger sides we might want an extra forward or we might have someone carrying a niggle we specifically need cover for.

I think the squad makeup plays a part here also, guys like Lussick and Cogger are great for these back up roles as we dont need to worry to much about playing time, can throw them in cup for a game or two and both seem to be decent cover.

 

[YoungPanther]

That's why they'll hold the last player back till the last 20mins. Roll the dice if needed

I'd like the 6th reserve to be a Junior (not like we haven't been playing with one less benchie anyway) and any game we are clearly not going to lose, they can have the last 20 minutes. The more we can expose juniors to first grade (with little or no pressure) should help to assist their development for future years.

 

[Iamback]

I dont mind that. I think it will also be a horses for courses situation at times. Against the bigger sides we might want an extra forward or we might have someone carrying a niggle we specifically need cover for.

I think the squad makeup plays a part here also, guys like Lussick and Cogger are great for these back up roles as we dont need to worry to much about playing time, can throw them in cup for a game or two and both seem to be decent cover.

It will have to be, the 4th guy is getting 15 mins maybe. 2 others sitting there not playing.

Every 3-4 weeks you would have to rotate those guys

 

[IcemanCleary]

I dont mind that. I think it will also be a horses for courses situation at times. Against the bigger sides we might want an extra forward or we might have someone carrying a niggle we specifically need cover for.

I think the squad makeup plays a part here also, guys like Lussick and Cogger are great for these back up roles as we dont need to worry to much about playing time, can throw them in cup for a game or two and both seem to be decent cover.

Can't remember who mentioned it but I really like the keahn skipps shout for the bench. I got a feeling he could even play all over the backline. You could have him and 5 forwards then.