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titoelcolombiano

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How about I give you a last chance to engage honestly instead.

What portion of Dolphins fans would estimate watched SOO annually before the Dolphins NRL side existed? Just throw a rough guesstimate out.
What has state of origin got to do with additional ticket sales and additional sponsorship revenue in the Brisbane market because of our new club?

What a dumb argument. Origin is massive here and transcends Rugby League to the point where for some people they are the only three games of RL that they'll watch each year.

Now, back up your unlikely claim of zero new customers to the game. Even the extremely slim chance that it is correct, the additional money flowing into the game is meaningful growth let alone the future growth both clubs.
 
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What has state of origin got to do with additional ticket sales and additional sponsorship revenue in the Brisbane market because of our new club?

What a dumb argument. Origin is massive here and transcends Rugby League to the point where for some people they are the only three games of RL that they'll watch each year.

Now, back up your unlikely claim of zero new customers to the game. Even the extremely slim chance that it is correct, the additional money flowing into the game is meaningful growth let alone the future growth both clubs.
Using his argument, the Storm brought zero new fans to the game as Origin drew 87,161 to the MCG in 1994. Perth will bring zero as it held 45k last year at Perth Stadium.

Don't prematurely ejaculate, they have Wahs, Titans, Storm and a 45k+ game against the Broncos still to come this year
He's just trolling like usual. It's why I give him shit about Perth and Hull.
 

shewi6

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I'm using the metrics supplied by Perth Rat. He argued a team needs to generate $25m from football operations. The only way to do that is by generating around $10m from sponsorship and corporate hospitality. To generate that much from sponsorship and corporate hospitality you need to have state of the art facilities and strong public demand.

Perth has neither the facilities nor the demand needed to generate $10m from sponsorship and corporate hospitality.

Its ground has a capacity of 20k. Its corporate facilities are poor. The southern stand needs an extension and a roof. The southeast corner needs to be filled in with seats to boost capacity. The northern section and western stand need to be demolished and rebuilt. You're looking at around $300m to get it up to scratch.

Parramatta's high performance training centre cost $53m.

This is so far of the mark and so uninformed it is not funny.

Lets compare the stadium to commbank which set the benchmark for boutique grounds imo.
Commbank has 30k capacity against 20.5k yes but we know the wa government is right behind getting a team and chances for an upgrade are high. For arguments sake we will compare as it is now.

Commbank has 3k corporate seats on the western grandstand split between open air boxes, closed boxes, corporate suites/function rooms and the field club area. All modern and generating good revenue with tickets at eels games raging from 250 to 400 bux.
One criticism of this stand is lack of normal seating capacity which takes away a little bit of gameday atmosphere.

Perth rectangular stadium does not lack corporate facilities by a long way. A quick look on the stadium website reveals 3 function rooms around the stadium and under the east stand with 1k capacity for pre and post match funtions.
Then the west and north stand has seperate suites and closed corporate boxes for around 450 capacity for the game. Then there is open air boxes in the west and east stands that i haven't bothered counting on the map but conservatively is easily another 500.

The majority of the stadium was built 11 years ago, the stands are modern and have a great steepness to them and with the standing area in the north caters to everyones preferences and as such has a good atmosphere for games.

Now as to perth not being able to generate $10M out of all that, lets do some quick conservative calculations.

The smallest teams in the nrl get about $5M for sponsorships a year. Either small regional clubs or basketcase sydney clubs in a crowded market.
Ok, lets go conservative again and say perth will only get that at the start despite having a huge and wealthy market to draw from and only 2 big afl clubs that would take the big dollars from them, but they would be at capacity with sponsors as the broncos were in brisbane. Halfway to 10 million.

Going by the prices for the game there in august and knowing what they can charge for corporates, lets say a sellout crowd could generate at least $100 average per seat times 20k for a total of $2M revenue per game or $24M a year of sellouts. Even if we assume they make about $750k profit per game (about third of revenue) than that is $8M there.
Lets assume a 15k average with the same revenue and margins and we have $6M.
Plus I believe at least the very first game and possibly 1 a year could be played at optus with a good crowd and possibly 50 to 100% more revenue per game.

Even with all that conservative maths and not accounting for any possible ground upgrades or government financial support we still have a perth team busting through your supposed minimum revenue and would actually be one of the financially better off teams in the comp even in a bad year with heaps of room for growth.
 

shewi6

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^^^ so i was bored and with insomnia counted the open air boxes in the east stand and that amounted to 400 seats. The west wasn't able to be counted but is a bigger area so lets just double it, plus the actual west stand seats that were going for a premium amounts to about another 2k seats.

So all up in it's current configuration the perth stadium definitely has enough corporate capacity for a perth team to be viable.
 
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This is so far of the mark and so uninformed it is not funny.

Lets compare the stadium to commbank which set the benchmark for boutique grounds imo.
Commbank has 30k capacity against 20.5k yes but we know the wa government is right behind getting a team and chances for an upgrade are high. For arguments sake we will compare as it is now.

Commbank has 3k corporate seats on the western grandstand split between open air boxes, closed boxes, corporate suites/function rooms and the field club area. All modern and generating good revenue with tickets at eels games raging from 250 to 400 bux.
One criticism of this stand is lack of normal seating capacity which takes away a little bit of gameday atmosphere.

Perth rectangular stadium does not lack corporate facilities by a long way. A quick look on the stadium website reveals 3 function rooms around the stadium and under the east stand with 1k capacity for pre and post match funtions.
Then the west and north stand has seperate suites and closed corporate boxes for around 450 capacity for the game. Then there is open air boxes in the west and east stands that i haven't bothered counting on the map but conservatively is easily another 500.

The majority of the stadium was built 11 years ago, the stands are modern and have a great steepness to them and with the standing area in the north caters to everyones preferences and as such has a good atmosphere for games.

Now as to perth not being able to generate $10M out of all that, lets do some quick conservative calculations.

The smallest teams in the nrl get about $5M for sponsorships a year. Either small regional clubs or basketcase sydney clubs in a crowded market.
Ok, lets go conservative again and say perth will only get that at the start despite having a huge and wealthy market to draw from and only 2 big afl clubs that would take the big dollars from them, but they would be at capacity with sponsors as the broncos were in brisbane. Halfway to 10 million.

Going by the prices for the game there in august and knowing what they can charge for corporates, lets say a sellout crowd could generate at least $100 average per seat times 20k for a total of $2M revenue per game or $24M a year of sellouts. Even if we assume they make about $750k profit per game (about third of revenue) than that is $8M there.
Lets assume a 15k average with the same revenue and margins and we have $6M.
Plus I believe at least the very first game and possibly 1 a year could be played at optus with a good crowd and possibly 50 to 100% more revenue per game.

Even with all that conservative maths and not accounting for any possible ground upgrades or government financial support we still have a perth team busting through your supposed minimum revenue and would actually be one of the financially better off teams in the comp even in a bad year with heaps of room for growth.
What makes you think there's 15k people in Perth willing to actively support an NRL to this degree?

The Raiders only generate $4.6m from sponsorship.

Warriors only generate a total of $11.6m from football operations, despite having some of the biggest attendances in the NRL.

Do you seriously think a Perth NRL team will be drawing more money from game day than Auckland and Canberra?

The Dolphins draw more from sponsorship than every club bar the Broncos. Their total is about $11m. Cowboys are one of the top 4 or five richest clubs in the NRL and draw about $10m from sponsorship and corporate hospitality. You're dreaming if you think a Perth-based team will draw more money than the Cowboys.

Do you want me to show you how much the teams earn to prove my point, or do you want to continue deluding yourself into thinking a Perth-based team is going to be massive like the Broncos and Dolphins?
 

Pippen94

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This is so far of the mark and so uninformed it is not funny.

Lets compare the stadium to commbank which set the benchmark for boutique grounds imo.
Commbank has 30k capacity against 20.5k yes but we know the wa government is right behind getting a team and chances for an upgrade are high. For arguments sake we will compare as it is now.

Commbank has 3k corporate seats on the western grandstand split between open air boxes, closed boxes, corporate suites/function rooms and the field club area. All modern and generating good revenue with tickets at eels games raging from 250 to 400 bux.
One criticism of this stand is lack of normal seating capacity which takes away a little bit of gameday atmosphere.

Perth rectangular stadium does not lack corporate facilities by a long way. A quick look on the stadium website reveals 3 function rooms around the stadium and under the east stand with 1k capacity for pre and post match funtions.
Then the west and north stand has seperate suites and closed corporate boxes for around 450 capacity for the game. Then there is open air boxes in the west and east stands that i haven't bothered counting on the map but conservatively is easily another 500.

The majority of the stadium was built 11 years ago, the stands are modern and have a great steepness to them and with the standing area in the north caters to everyones preferences and as such has a good atmosphere for games.

Now as to perth not being able to generate $10M out of all that, lets do some quick conservative calculations.

The smallest teams in the nrl get about $5M for sponsorships a year. Either small regional clubs or basketcase sydney clubs in a crowded market.
Ok, lets go conservative again and say perth will only get that at the start despite having a huge and wealthy market to draw from and only 2 big afl clubs that would take the big dollars from them, but they would be at capacity with sponsors as the broncos were in brisbane. Halfway to 10 million.

Going by the prices for the game there in august and knowing what they can charge for corporates, lets say a sellout crowd could generate at least $100 average per seat times 20k for a total of $2M revenue per game or $24M a year of sellouts. Even if we assume they make about $750k profit per game (about third of revenue) than that is $8M there.
Lets assume a 15k average with the same revenue and margins and we have $6M.
Plus I believe at least the very first game and possibly 1 a year could be played at optus with a good crowd and possibly 50 to 100% more revenue per game.

Even with all that conservative maths and not accounting for any possible ground upgrades or government financial support we still have a perth team busting through your supposed minimum revenue and would actually be one of the financially better off teams in the comp even in a bad year with heaps of room for growth.

..funny Perth team already was tried & failed..
 
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^^^ so i was bored and with insomnia counted the open air boxes in the east stand and that amounted to 400 seats. The west wasn't able to be counted but is a bigger area so lets just double it, plus the actual west stand seats that were going for a premium amounts to about another 2k seats.

So all up in it's current configuration the perth stadium definitely has enough corporate capacity for a perth team to be viable.

NRL commercial revenue snapshot​


FY23 median: $15.7m (YoY growth: 15.1%)
FY22 median: $12.7m (YoY growth: 34.8%)

Chart below shows overall commercial revenue, by team, for FY 2023 ($m)
Table with 3 columns and 15 rows.

Revenue ($m)Profit margin
Rabbitohs$23.5m56%
Dolphins$23.5m55%
Penrith$23.0m57%
Cowboys$22.7m63%
Eels$19.3m59%
Roosters$18.2m71%
Knights$17.8m63%
Bulldogs$15.7m49%
Titans$14.3m52%
Dragons$13.1m46%
Sharks$12.7m54%
Tigers$12.5m57%
Raiders$12.4m40%
Warriors$11.6m62%
Manly$11.5m55%
Source: NRL

The Wayne Bennett-coached newcomers collected more revenue in sponsorship than any other club, with $10.9 million, pipping the Roosters, with $10.4 million. The Raiders ($4.6 million) and Manly ($4.7 million) generated the least.

 

Perth Red

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NRL commercial revenue snapshot​

FY23 median: $15.7m (YoY growth: 15.1%)​
FY22 median: $12.7m (YoY growth: 34.8%)​
Chart below shows overall commercial revenue, by team, for FY 2023 ($m)
Table with 3 columns and 15 rows.​
Revenue ($m)Profit margin
Rabbitohs$23.5m56%
Dolphins$23.5m55%
Penrith$23.0m57%
Cowboys$22.7m63%
Eels$19.3m59%
Roosters$18.2m71%
Knights$17.8m63%
Bulldogs$15.7m49%
Titans$14.3m52%
Dragons$13.1m46%
Sharks$12.7m54%
Tigers$12.5m57%
Raiders$12.4m40%
Warriors$11.6m62%
Manly$11.5m55%

Source: NRL​
The Wayne Bennett-coached newcomers collected more revenue in sponsorship than any other club, with $10.9 million, pipping the Roosters, with $10.4 million. The Raiders ($4.6 million) and Manly ($4.7 million) generated the least.​
That article is total bs, that you keep quoting it shows how thick you are!
 
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..funny Perth team already was tried & failed..
He's basing his predictions off a double header at Perth Stadium and what other clubs earn. He doesn't realise that rugby league is a minority sport in Perth and a very hostile market towards the rugby codes. The Western Force aren't raking in huge attendances and strong revenue from game day. Rugby union in Perth is three times bigger than rugby league.

But apparently Perth is going to match the Cowboys, Dolphins and Broncos?

Delusional.
 

Perth Red

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Prove it's "total bs" you blowhard. Just because you don't like what it says doesn't mean it's wrong. You're just a sook and cannot handle any information that isn't pleasing to your ears.
56% profit margin? Hahaha

I thought you was supposed to be a nq fan? If you were you would know that figure they’ve quoted for cowboys is incorrect.
do some research and just dont believe the sht the media puts out.
 
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56% profit margin? Hahaha

I thought you was supposed to be a nq fan? If you were you would know that figure they’ve quoted for cowboys is incorrect.
do some research and just dont believe the sht the media puts out.
Doesn't mean the figures about revenue from football operations aren't true. I've seen the Cowboys 2023 annual report. Their revenue from football operations was around the level reported in the article.
 

shewi6

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What makes you think there's 15k people in Perth willing to actively support an NRL to this degree?

The Raiders only generate $4.6m from sponsorship.

Warriors only generate a total of $11.6m from football operations, despite having some of the biggest attendances in the NRL.

Do you seriously think a Perth NRL team will be drawing more money from game day than Auckland and Canberra?

The Dolphins draw more from sponsorship than every club bar the Broncos. Their total is about $11m. Cowboys are one of the top 4 or five richest clubs in the NRL and draw about $10m from sponsorship and corporate hospitality. You're dreaming if you think a Perth-based team will draw more money than the Cowboys.

Do you want me to show you how much the teams earn to prove my point, or do you want to continue deluding yourself into thinking a Perth-based team is going to be massive like the Broncos and Dolphins?
What makes you think there isnt?
It is a pretty reasonable assumption, conservative even.

Don't know why you people have to keep being told the evidence of multiple sold out games there over nearly 20 years and add in huge attendances to 2 double headers and origins.

The fact the game was so strong over there before and during the reds and survived even after the super league war says something about the supporter base there, not to mention the massive influx of east coasters, kiwis and poms that are cashed up from working in the mines and you don't think a rich capital city with over 2 million people can capatilise on all that and generate enough revenue and win new fans?

You don't have much faith in rugby league do you? You probably believe the articles that the afl will take over western brisbane because there isn't a team with a suburb name from there in the nrl.

Fact is that perth has a history of rugby league support and has proven it deserves a team.
All you and I can do is make guesses as to wether we think they can make enough money to be sustainable and successful, but at the end of the day they are just guesses.

I believe the history and evidence shows they can and this will be a good thing for growing the game overall not just for WA.

You believe the opposite because you're cynical and trolling perth supporters is the thing to do on this forum apparently.

Either way it is the government and the bid team that are putting their money where their mouth is, so if they think it's a wise investment than so be it.
 

Perth Red

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Doesn't mean the figures about revenue from football operations aren't true. I've seen the Cowboys 2023 annual report. Their revenue from football operations was around the level reported in the article.
No it wasn’t, it was $2.8million wrong!

if they can’t get that right when it’s easily publicly available it clearly shows they are just speculating. do you believe for one second clubs are making 50% profit margins on that revenue? Really?
 
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