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"We're like an alcoholic who's got a problem"

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Shire madness

By PETER FRILINGOS Chief Rugby League Writer

April 6, 2004

SHARKS coach Stuart Raper said yesterday his players had become addicted to breaking rules on the field after Greg Bird and Jason Stevens were both charged by the judiciary.


Bird is facing a minimum suspension of six weeks after kneeing South Sydney winger Shane Marteene in the head at Aussie Stadium on Saturday night.

Veteran prop Jason Stevens has been charged with tripping and faces at least a week's suspension.

The Sharks finished on the wrong end of the penalty count for the fourth successive game and coach Raper has expressed openly his concern about the attitude of his players on the field.

"There was an attitude problem in the club last year and it's still there," Raper said. "It's like an addiction and while I don't know if that's the case we have to do something about it.

"We're like an alcoholic who's got a problem.

"We've got to admit it and confront it and I'm confident we've done that.

Raper held an early morning conference with players to address the issue of poor discipline.

"I'm confident I got the message across because there wasn't one word of dissent," Raper said.

"We've got to be more disciplined instead of whingeing. The players have to accept responsibility.

"It's a bit out of frustration and it's also a little bit of an attitude issue that's been building over the last couple of years in this place."

Bird's offence was considered so serious that the NRL's match review panel, headed by Greg McCallum, declined to grade the charge. Instead it was referred to the judiciary panel for determination tomorrow night.

The base penalty for a grade five striking charge which covers this offence is a five-match suspension.

It means if Bird pleads guilty to the charge he will be banned for at least that many matches and probably more.

However, the panel will take into account his immediate apology to Marteene who was not injured and was able to complete the game.

Roosters' Adrian Morley and Stuart Webb and Penrith's Luke Lewis were also charged yesterday.

Hooker Webb is looking at a three-match ban for his grade five careless high tackle on Luke Swain who lost two teeth and suffered a hairline jaw fracture in the incident.

Webb contacted Swain to apologise for the tackle yesterday and the Panthers back-rower accepted his explanation.

Morley can consider himself lucky to escape with only a grade one careless high-tackle charge for his hit on Panthers skipper Craig Gower.

Despite having three similar offences on his record during the past two years, Morley will serve only one match when he enters a guilty plead tomorrow.

Roosters chief executive Brian Canavan contacted referees boss Greg McCallum after Morley was charged. "It was more to assure Greg that we are again addressing Adrian's tackling technique," Canavan said.

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1264&storyid=1156802
 
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Pick it up, or we're down for the count

By JAMES HOOPER

April 6, 2004

CRONULLA prop Chris Beattie has condemned the Sharks as the most ill-disciplined team in the NRL and pledged to fix the problem.


Statistics reveal the Sutherland Shire club has conceded more penalties than any other team in the NRL after four rounds.

They also hold the unwanted record of most send- offs in the past 12 months, having had four players marched from the field, double the combined total of the 14 other NRL clubs.


Queensland Origin prop Beattie, never the style of player to sidestep hard work, has guaranteed the ill-discipline will be done away with as of Saturday night against North Queensland.


A meeting at Cronulla headquarters yesterday addressed the problem, with chief executive Steve Rogers, coach Stuart Raper and captain Brett Kimmorley all speaking.


Rogers also read exerts from some scathing emails frustrated fans have sent the club following a disappointing start to the year.


"The weekend against Souths was disgraceful. I don't think there's too many sides that could win a football game from a 15-4 penalty count," Beattie said.


"It's just ridiculous. You can't just blame the referees for it. We've dug ourselves a hole.


"You can blow up and swear and do whatever you like but the referee is never going to say 'oh geez, you're right' and reverse his decision.


"Obviously we've brought a lot of it on ourselves. It's easy to get frustrated, I've done it plenty of times before.


"It's a simple thing we will be fixing as of this weekend. You're not talking about something major we have to change here.


"Purely it becomes a frustration thing for us as players and then the referee just does his job.


"After a couple of penalties the players think 'oh no here we go again' and the referee thinks 'these blokes keep doing the wrong thing, we need to teach them a lesson'."


Beattie received support from fullback David Peachey, who is also confident the Sharks can fix the problem immediately and ensure it remains solved for the long-term.


The concern among the Cronulla camp is the team will get a reputation for constantly challenging authority and the problem will manifest.


So far this season the Sharks have conceded 45 penalties in four games, closely followed by Manly (42), St George Illawarra (40), Parramatta (38) and New Zealand (38).


Against the Bulldogs in round two they gave away a crucial penalty late in the match to allow the home team to put themselves in a position to win the game.


"It's only round four but if we're gaining a reputation like that it's not good," Peachey said.


"It's tough because it's frustrating in a sense that it's only the little things but they all add up.


"We feel as though we're blaming everyone else but ourselves – we've got to have a good look at ourselves."

The Daily Telegraph
 

Aries

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"Hooker Webb is looking at a three-match ban for his grade five careless high tackle on Luke Swain who lost two teeth and suffered a hairline jaw fracture in the incident."

He knocks the guys teeth out and fractures his jaw and only looks like getting 3 weeks? Bird does something stupid, and as bad as it looked, it didn't mame or serverely injure the guy, and he finished the game and will probably play this weekend!!

There is the precident for mine... Bird should get less than 3 weeks!!
 

Aries

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Isn't SS an Oxymoron?

Even if he only gets pissed during & after every Sharks game, isn't he still an alchoholic :p

No, my bad... thats just a moron :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Aries said:
"Hooker Webb is looking at a three-match ban for his grade five careless high tackle on Luke Swain who lost two teeth and suffered a hairline jaw fracture in the incident."

He knocks the guys teeth out and fractures his jaw and only looks like getting 3 weeks? Bird does something stupid, and as bad as it looked, it didn't mame or serverely injure the guy, and he finished the game and will probably play this weekend!!

There is the precident for mine... Bird should get less than 3 weeks!!

I agree. It shows that the gradings system is fundamentally flawed. As far as I'm concerned, if a head high tackle results in that kind of injury, then the tackle shouldn't be graded and the player should face the same kind of punishment that Birdy is likely to receive.

Notwithstanding that, Bird's action was inexcusable and he deserves whatever he gets. Marteene was only not injured out of sheer luck and it could have been very ugly indeed. Grow up Birdy and get a brain.

What also annoys me is that both Webb and Morley are going to receive light suspensions, light in view of what they did. Both offences were very poor cheap shots and deserved a lot more. But I guess that is the advantage of playing for the Roosters! One rule for them and another for everyone else. Call me paranoid, but does anyone feel that if that was Beattie instead of Morley that the charge would have only been a Grade 1? This kind of tackle is the guy's modus operandi and the NRL needs to take a tougher line to get him to change his style.
 
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Aries said:
Isn't SS an Oxymoron?

Even if he only gets pissed during & after every Sharks game, isn't he still an alchoholic :p

No, my bad... thats just a moron :lol: :lol: :lol:
#-o

I've got a problem with alcohol, I admit it....I cant get enough!
 

Macca

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ShireShark said:
Aries said:
Isn't SS an Oxymoron?

Even if he only gets pissed during & after every Sharks game, isn't he still an alchoholic :p

No, my bad... thats just a moron :lol: :lol: :lol:
#-o

I've got a problem with alcohol, I admit it....I cant get enough!

Could be so easy to take a cheap shot here, but I am no hypocrite, I can't get enough either.

I am very pleased that this is all out in the public. What's the first step to solving a problem? Identifying it. That may have been easy but atleast we have taken that step now. We have admitted it, now we have to find methods of not letting it recur. This is a big step in the right direction.
 

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