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What if the NRL did an AFL on the NZRU?

The Penguin #6.

The Penguin #6.

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Ideas Man Stephen said:
All I was trying to do was discuss the merits of moving now to add a second NZ squad rather than wait another four years for NZRU and RA to get their shit together before an Aus RWC.
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This has been pointed out over and over and yet we keep hearing the same thing. I repeat THERE HAS BEEN NO SIGN OF ANYBODY OR ANYONE COMING FORWARD TO BID FOR A SECOND NEW ZEALAND TEAM. NIL. NOTHING.NOUGHT. (BTW that wasn`t yelling, just frustration).
The other thing is of course: act in haste, regret at leisure.
We`re in this for the long haul, do it once and do it right. That`s how a good business operates.
 
Ideas Man Stephen

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The Penguin #6. said:
This has been pointed out over and over and yet we keep hearing the same thing. I repeat THERE HAS BEEN NO SIGN OF ANYBODY OR ANYONE COMING FORWARD TO BID FOR A SECOND NEW ZEALAND TEAM. NIL. NOTHING.NOUGHT. (BTW that wasn`t yelling, just frustration).
The other thing is of course: act in haste, regret at leisure.
We`re in this for the long haul, do it once and do it right. That`s how a good business operates.
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There weren’t many proactive AFL bids for GWS and GC either. But the AFL believe these clubs are future proofing their competition, so they did it themselves.

I expect an NRL team II in NZ will be a far quicker win than what GWS or the Suns will be.

If you build it, they will come.
 
The Penguin #6.

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Ideas Man Stephen said:
There weren’t many proactive AFL bids for GWS and GC either. But the AFL believe these clubs are future proofing their competition, so they did it themselves.

I expect an NRL team II in NZ will be a far quicker win than what GWS or the Suns will be.

If you build it, they will come.
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Yeah, but Ideas Man, fumbleball has a flexible club distribution system and money to burn so propping up a couple of clubs for a decade or two (forever till it sends them broke will do me) doesn`t matter so much to them. We don`t have that sort of cash yet and even if we did I`m not 100% convinced it`s a good idea. Better to have the foundations laid with a solid business plan rather than relying on handouts.
 
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Why not send Canterbury to Christchurch and be the Canterbury Bulldogs. The name represents the South Island of NZ & continue to have a link with Sydney fans.
 
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Ideas Man Stephen said:
Ok… hear me out, I know the title almost sets off an aneurism, but let’s calm it down and start with a short history lesson.

So the Swans had struggled their arses off until a certain moment in time, let’s call it the stars aligning, where public affection for RL in Sydney was at an all time low, whilst a consistently underperforming AFL club based in the same city had made the GF and have since never looked back and still remain the biggest supported single professional sports club in the city.

No one in their right mind would think Sydney is an AFL town, but only the mind of the most biased would argue the Swans are not the biggest pro sports club in Sydney.

A similar theory could be applied to Auckland. There is no way the Warriors are bigger than the All Blacks, but they are the biggest pro sports club in NZ.

Right now, there is a dissatisfaction in NZ towards Super Rugby. Maybe not as cataclysmic as the SL war, but dissent all the same. Why can’t the NRL throw a team in the south of NZ and have them as the biggest pro sports club in the south, while the All Blacks remain the biggest team in the country?

I think the time is ripe. Sorry Perth, I would love to see you at the table, but there are bigger fish to fry right now.
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Wait, swans are biggest?! Tell channel 7 to put on main channel then
 
SpaceMonkey

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There’s two problems with that- the Crusaders (presuming Christchurch is the target) or the Hurricanes (presuming Welllington).

it’s also doubtful that the Warriors are bigger than each of the 5 main Super Rugby clubs, certainly the Crusaders. We’re having a great year crowd wise so far, but that’s 4 games, let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

NZ as a whole is already pretty much in the situation you describe Sydney being in with a dominant code (union) and a minority code (League) that has carved out a solid niche for one club. A second club in Christchurch or Wellington would be more of a GWS or GCS than a Swans.
 
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greenBV4

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SpaceMonkey said:
There’s two problems with that- the Crusaders (presuming Christchurch is the target) or the Hurricanes (presuming Welllington).

it’s also doubtful that the Warriors are bigger than each of the 5 main Super Rugby clubs, certainly the Crusaders. We’re having a great year crowd wise so far, but that’s 4 games, let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

NZ as a whole is already pretty much in the situation you describe Sydney being in with a dominant code (union) and a minority code (League) that has carved out a solid niche for one club. A second club in Christchurch or Wellington would be more of a GWS or GCS than a Swans.
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I might be reading this wrong but are you saying that the warriors are already the "second niche" club in Christchurch, and a dedicated Christchurch club would play second fiddle to the warriors? ala. Gws to the Swans?

I get the warriors have branded themselves "New Zealand" but in all but name they are an Auckland club, surely a club based purely out of Christchurch would Trump them? I was under the impression NZ had a strong "Auckland vs the rest" mentality in sports and rivalries
 
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greenBV4 said:
I might be reading this wrong but are you saying that the warriors are already the "second niche" club in Christchurch, and a dedicated Christchurch club would play second fiddle to the warriors? ala. Gws to the Swans?

I get the warriors have branded themselves "New Zealand" but in all but name they are an Auckland club, surely a club based purely out of Christchurch would Trump them? I was under the impression NZ had a strong "Auckland vs the rest" mentality in sports and rivalries
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There's also a strong dislike of Christchurch too. The Warriors have been everyone's team for 20+ years. I'm not from Auckland but I'd rather poke my eye out than support a Christchurch team (which ironically would see my fit in perfectly down there).
 
Ideas Man Stephen

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Pippen94 said:
Wait, swans are biggest?! Tell channel 7 to put on main channel then
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Why?
SpaceMonkey said:
There’s two problems with that- the Crusaders (presuming Christchurch is the target) or the Hurricanes (presuming Welllington).

it’s also doubtful that the Warriors are bigger than each of the 5 main Super Rugby clubs, certainly the Crusaders. We’re having a great year crowd wise so far, but that’s 4 games, let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

NZ as a whole is already pretty much in the situation you describe Sydney being in with a dominant code (union) and a minority code (League) that has carved out a solid niche for one club. A second club in Christchurch or Wellington would be more of a GWS or GCS than a Swans.
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Take out a few years of Covid, I think you will find that the Warriors are the most followed and have the largest financial turnover of all NZ sports clubs.

Having returned to NZ, they are just resuming their position.

Happy to be corrected.
 
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