What is the most useless job society has?

[perverse]

Because they prey on the young, how many times must I say it.

Musicians !== Pop stars.

 

[adamkungl]

Really adam, you seems old enough to play RL, are you playing for Australia, I reckon only a few do, are playing anywhere?

My point exactly...very few people are talented enough to make any real money out of playing guitar. If 'any clown can play guitar' then any clown can play top level rugby league.

Because they prey on the young, how many times must I say it.

Odd accusation. There are countless products aimed at children. Does LEGO prey on children? How about Pixar?

I'll agree with you that current pop music is f**king rubbish with close to zero redeeming features...but that's a matter of (poor) taste rather than a judgement on their worth to society

 

[Hallatia]

Angry, how do you feel about poetry? The stuff literature would consider poetry.

 

[adamkungl]

pfft, no poets make any money

 

[Big Pete]

Motivational speakers, there used to be a series of ads that summed it up perfectly.

 

[adamkungl]

In Mr Angry's mind does a teenager spending years learning guitar hoping to one day maybe make a career out of doing something he/she loves actually have some ultimate goal of exploiting poor children?

 

[Hallatia]

My point exactly...very few people are talented enough to make any real money out of playing guitar. If 'any clown can play guitar' then any clown can play top level rugby league.

I think any clown can do most jobs, but not professional sports, sport at a professional level requires a hell of a lot which most people quite simply are not capable of, which is why we marvel at incredible athletics feats in a way which we cannot marvel at music. Making money from playing guitar does not necessarily require any talent, all instruments can be learned and people can learn to play songs in exactly the same way as musicians do, you cannot say the same thing about professional sports

 

[Mr Angry]

Do you have any proving the opposite? It's common knowledge. There is plenty of music out there specifically tailored to targeting older people. Who do you think keeps buying the music from the 30s, 40s, 50s etc.

You made the claim kid, music is for children. Got no facts, my suprise is low.

Country music for example mostly sells to the 25-50 year old age group (im not looking it up for you, you have google it takes 5 minutes).

Go Dolly!!!!

You're a moron pure and simple.

yeah sure bot, got anymore US counrty charts which you have failed to provide to make your point?

Did i say everyone keeps buying Britney spears? Older people stop buying Britney Spears but that doesn't mean they stop buying music.

Yeah it is 50 year olds buying, it is not teenagers like you buying.

There is lots of other music out there. Classical, opera, country and tons of other music that isn't just for kids. Just because you're too blind to see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

haha, you ahve convinced me, classical music and bach are the ones raking it in, perhaps you are unaware, bach has been dead for a while.

What a load of tripe. Thats just your personal anecdote. Also just because people stop buying todays modern music doesn't mean they stop buying music period.

Prove it, little boy, on you way to Sanity.

Again you are putting them all together. Musicians aren't just one whole entity they come in all sorts of varieties. At least you got one thing right, you are in the minority.

Cannot argue there, there are more like you than me, then again there are more murders, pedos, dole buldger, so I feel alright about it.

Who exactly are you referring to? You can't just refer to musicians in one bunch. What about the bands who get by playing at local pubs and clubs. Are they just preying on children?

Cannot wait too, if only the fat merkin who runs the industry whould let them., Are you suggesting they never want to make millions from there music, and you have the hide to question my intelligence.

Some do, some don't. Only a fool would try and paint every musician with the same brush. What about pianists? You think they just do it for the groupies? Get a grip.

If a pianist could get a groupie, they would take it.

Are they all like this? Again there are many different types of musicians.

Yep, they play different things, all want the same.

Who gives a sh*t?

you do

There are plenty of musicians who haven't made it big but aren't living on the dole. Crawl out of that basement some more and you might see some of them.

One of you best kid, yeah they got REAL JOBS.

There are plenty of other musicians out there. It's your problem it you don't know about them, doesn't make your argument any less pathetic.

So what do you play, clearly, you waiting for your big break, let me help you, get a real job.

Stopped reading after that, hope your CD collection is great, or you suck well enough to get a break, in the mean time, get off the dole, grow up and get a real job.

 

[adamkungl]

I think any clown can do most jobs, but not professional sports, sport at a professional level requires a hell of a lot which most people quite simply are not capable of, which is why we marvel at incredible athletics feats in a way which we cannot marvel at music. Making money from playing guitar does not necessarily require any talent, all instruments can be learned and people can learn to play songs in exactly the same way as musicians do, you cannot say the same thing about professional sports

Debatable...every can learn guitar, but not everyone is going to be as talented, even if they spend the same amount of time. Similarly, not everyone is going to be able to run the 100m in 10 seconds, even if they train half their life.

Furthermore, playing someone else's songs isn't likely to get you very far, even if you can do it just as well. I know for a fact that even if I get good at guitar I lack the creativity to write anything resembling a good song.

As for 'marvelling at incredible athletic feats' I know loads of people that couldn't give a f**k and are much more impressed by musical/other artistic talents.

 

[Mr Angry]

Angry, how do you feel about poetry? The stuff literature would consider poetry.

Quite underpaid compared to musicians , who this thread shows are heroes of society.....hahahahha.

 

[Mr Angry]

My point exactly...very few people are talented enough to make any real money out of playing guitar. If 'any clown can play guitar' then any clown can play top level rugby league.

Now we are getting somewhere, are you suggesting fellas who where good enough to play Australia, did not get the chance, compared to guitarists who did not the the right fat carrrnnt.

 

[Mr Angry]

In Mr Angry's mind does a teenager spending years learning guitar hoping to one day maybe make a career out of doing something he/she loves actually have some ultimate goal of exploiting poor children?

You are getting there, any teenager can play smoke on the water, it is all about imagine to teenagers, only a few can play fullback like Lockyer.


Image v substance.

 

[perverse]

i would say the percentage of people who can afford to live off their music vs people that play but have other employment would be a similar percentage to the people who can afford to live off their sporting talent, their acting talent or even other writing skills.

just about all pass-times and hobbies can be profitted from if you're good enough, if you are among the elite. that doesn't invalidate the hobbies, or the hobbiests value to society. i don't see the correlation at all. in fact, it looks suspciously like clutching at straws, did you lose a bet to make this thread, Mr A?

 

[adamkungl]

You are getting there, any teenager can play smoke on the water, it is all about imagine to teenagers, only a few can play fullback like Lockyer.


Image v substance.

Not anyone can write Smoke on the Water though...at least your bringing up real musicians rather than pop stars though. Did/do Deep Purple exploit children?

 

[Hallatia]

Debatable...every can learn guitar, but not everyone is going to be as talented, even if they spend the same amount of time. Similarly, not everyone is going to be able to run the 100m in 10 seconds, even if they train half their life.

You are operating on the assumption that playing the guitar is a talent, there are a bunch of things the guitar as an instrument can do, not having worked out how to do them yet, does not mean you don't have the "talent" to do them.

Furthermore, playing someone else's songs isn't likely to get you very far, even if you can do it just as well. I know for a fact that even if I get good at guitar I lack the creativity to write anything resembling a good song.

then why do coverbands have jobs? Aaand why are there requirements on the amount of original material an artist has on their albums?

As for 'marvelling at incredible athletic feats' I know loads of people that couldn't give a f**k and are much more impressed by musical/other artistic talents.

I would say that is more a reflection on the people than the professions...
I know plenty of people who hate sports but cannot help but marvel at incredible athletic feats, and you can think for yourself about the difference between marvelling at an incredible piece of athleticism and marvelling at a piece of music

 

[perverse]

then why do coverbands have jobs?

... because pubs can't afford the real deal?

 

[adamkungl]

You are operating on the assumption that playing the guitar is a talent, there are a bunch of things the guitar as an instrument can do, not having worked out how to do them yet, does not mean you don't have the "talent" to do them.

This flimsy argument can be used for anything. I just haven't worked out how to make my legs move fast enough to run in the Olympics...get back to me in a few weeks, I'll have it done for sure. :roll:

then why do coverbands have jobs? Aaand why are there requirements on the amount of original material an artist has on their albums?

I said 'isn't likely to get you far'. There is a small market for cover bands. Personally I wouldn't pay to see one.

I would say that is more a reflection on the people than the professions...
I know plenty of people who hate sports but cannot help but marvel at incredible athletic feats, and you can think for yourself about the difference between marvelling at an incredible piece of athleticism and marvelling at a piece of music

And as I said, I know plenty of people who couldn't care less...Obviously given a choice between footy and music I'm gonna take footy any day of the week and twice on friday nights, but I don't have some belief that footballers are more talented or are of more value to society than guitarists, which seems to be the point that you are making.

 

[Billythekid]

You made the claim kid, music is for children. Got no facts, my suprise is low.

You made the claim. You said that only kids listen to music and haven't backed that up.

As for figures go to this link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4738181.stm. It's only one example but it's enough to show how stupid your argument is. So where are YOUR firgues?

Go Dolly!!!!

Only helping to prove my point. Dolly is popular amongst middle aged women. Do you really think 9-5 is targeted at children?

yeah sure bot, got anymore US counrty charts which you have failed to provide to make your point?

Go here for a discussion on country music fans age http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=514540. Regardless even if i had no figures it would be as much as you have.

Yeah it is 50 year olds buying, it is not teenagers like you buying.

So basically you admit that your entire argument is bunk? Then why are you still arguing. Also i just have to laugh at someone as ill informed as yourself calling me a teenager.

haha, you ahve convinced me, classical music and bach are the ones raking it in, perhaps you are unaware, bach has been dead for a while.

Their music still sells. Classical music doesn't just refer to bach though. Ever heard of Andre Rieu? He plays classical music and hes raking it in.

Regardless it doesn't matter if they are raking it in or not. The fact is the people who play classical music and make a living off it are not targeting children which dismantles your whole argument.

Prove it, little boy, on you way to Sanity.

Already proved it in my post. Onus is on you to provide evidence to the contrary. Of course you can't because your a moron whose argument is based on nothing.

Cannot argue there, there are more like you than me, then again there are more murders, pedos, dole buldger, so I feel alright about it.

Lol you have no argument so keep right on with the petty insults, it just lets me know you have nothing.

Cannot wait too, if only the fat merkin who runs the industry whould let them., Are you suggesting they never want to make millions from there music,

That is irrelevant. Just because they want to make some money doesn't mean they aren't doing it because they love it. It also doesn't mean they prey on children.

and you have the hide to question my intelligence.

There is no question. The stuff you are typing is absolute tripe. If you honestly believe that only kids buy music than i question how you managed to finish primary school.

If a pianist could get a groupie, they would take it.

If you could get one so would you. That's completely irrelevant to my point. They aren't in it for the groupies and that ruins your argument yet again.

Yep, they play different things, all want the same.

Total and utter bullsh*t spoken by someone who knows nothing about the industry. Also why do you think most people choose their profession? The vast majority of people only get a job to get money. There is nothing wrong with wanting to earn money.

you do

What the hell does that even mean? Did you even read what i typed?

One of you best kid, yeah they got REAL JOBS.

No there are plenty of musicians making an alright living without being mega rich and without getting another job.

So what do you play, clearly, you waiting for your big break, let me help you, get a real job.

In my spare time i am trying to learn to play an instrument, however that isn't my career.

I have a real job, i'm a clinical nurse specialist. What the hell do you do that makes you think you can look down on people?

My guess is you do some sh*t kicker job and thats where all your bitterness comes from.

Stopped reading after that, hope your CD collection is great, or you suck well enough to get a break, in the mean time, get off the dole, grow up and get a real job.

I have a real job and i can guarantee i do more to contribute to society than you ever have or will.

Do you have an actual argument to come back with this time? Or are you going to just spew that same sh*t.

 

[perverse]

oh dear... i just realised i'm caught up in a trolling...

 

[Mr Angry]

I have a real job, i'm a clinical nurse specialist

Only thing worth responding too.

Good for you are not a worthless musician, you have REAL Job.

Your posts about country music are great, thanks for that. Yeah man Dolly rocks, US people, yah for her. Her ability makes Nelson Mandela and Ghandi makes them feel shameful, keep it coming.

I have a real job and i can guarantee i do more to contribute to society than you ever have or will.

Great work kid, Feeling real bad about my position that mucisians are useless. Glad you have real job, unlike your hero Dolly Parton, still selling to Clint Eastwood.


Poor, Poor billy CD collector and country music fan.