Where does the blame lie?

[Hollywood Jesus]

OK, we've got a few threads on this but I just wanted to get a feel of where people actually think this went wrong, so I'm creating this poll thread.

* Israel - A track record of breaking his word;

* Moses - A dodgy operator that has screwed us before;

* The Club - bad cap management, perhaps? Poor ability to negotiate a contract in this situation?

* The NRL - couldn't organise a root in a brothel, according to some.

You can make as many choices as you like and make a post accordingly but, as usual, please try to keep everything civil.

 

[Joely01]

I think Israel breaks his word because of Moses. I'd go for both NRL and Moses. NRL took their sweet time and Moses is just a selfish pig.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

I think Israel breaks his word because of Moses. I'd go for both NRL and Moses. NRL took their sweet time and Moses is just a selfish pig.

Yeah but Izzy is a grown man. He doesn't HAVE to do what his manager says.

 

[Joely01]

Yeah but Izzy is a grown man. He doesn't HAVE to do what his manager says.

True, I vote for folau as well then. Grow some balls IZZY!

 

[Fifty Metre Line]

The club shouldn't be blamed.
How were they to know Izzy would resign at the last minute and want to join the Eels? Sure we might be paying overs to some players, but we probably sorted our cap that way because we knew there would be no one else to sign for next year.
They did everything they could to secure his signature.
They did front the media about this whole deal way too early though and that's the only problem I had with the club in all this.

The NRL plays some part in this but not all of it. Eventually it seems an agreement was made and they were only following the precedent set in the Gasnier and Inglis cases (despite setting Folau's value way too high).

Israel is his own man. If his manager told him to do something he really didn't want to do he could have fired him.
It is entirely Israel's fault in my opinion.

 

[eel4life]

I think this article sums it up

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/eels-spurn-tahs-target-izzy-20121201-2anpx.html

Eels spurn Tahs target Izzy

ONCE Parramatta's most sought-after player, Israel Folau has fallen so far from grace that he is now the club's most reviled individual.

Fairfax Media has been told the former league international - who switched to AFL for a fortune then abandoned the code - would be lucky to receive a free Eels sticker in future.


But while the Eels are furious with Folau, the NSW Waratahs have emerged as a possible home for the code-hopper. Despite speculation suggesting Folau would pursue a rugby career in France of Japan, the NSW Super Rugby side has emerged as the frontrunner for his services.


''Are the Waratahs on the cards? Definitely …'', a source close to Folau's camp said.

Folau burned his bridges with Parramatta on Friday when, just as the NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert had rubber-stamped the $3 million, four-year-deal for Folau to join the club, his management announced he would leave Australia to play rugby overseas. Fairfax Media received an insight into the contempt Parramatta now hold for Folau, and his manager Isaac Moses, when a high-level Eels source was asked if Folau would be given a second chance to join the club if he had a change of heart. ''If Israel Folau changed his mind tomorrow he would not get a crack here,'' the source said. ''That opportunity has passed for him. Gone. We thought he was a kid who, when he looked you in the eye, shook your hand and told you he was going to commit to something, he would do it. We were sadly mistaken.''


The Eels fought hard to try to sign Folau despite salary cap constraints because the Ricky Stuart-led coaching staff viewed his sudden availability on the market as a ''unique'' situation. Now that the club's struggle to sign Folau has amounted to nothing, the source made it clear there was never any intention to trade away or sack a player to accommodate him under the salary cap. ''Parramatta did not chase him, the Eels never chased him - he was chasing us,'' the source said. ''And I can tell you this too, Parramatta was never keen to move anybody to accommodate him … the club did everything it could by him and the league but, as everyone now knows it didn't eventuate. If you were to ask anyone how we're feeling, well, no one at Parramatta is moping about. If anything, there is a feeling it is good to know he is someone who doesn't keep his word.


''There is a sense of relief the club has found out the character of the bloke before handing over millions of dollars. We got a cheap lesson, but a disappointing one all the same.


''It all dragged on [the NRL salary cap situation]. Ricky Stuart said weeks ago it was stupid to be banging his head on the brick wall [to try and work out a deal with the NRL] and they all laughed when he said [Folau] would be lost to rugby union … I hope they're not laughing still.''


Parramatta went all-out to sign Folau after the 23-year-old terminated his multimillion-dollar deal with the Greater Western Sydney AFL franchise.

 

[Fathead]

Yeah but Izzy is a grown man. He doesn't HAVE to do what his manager says.

You are right - Why is it his managers fault ? It's his managers job to get the beSt deal. All the manager did was present izzy with options and a recommendation. The fault HAS to lie with the player.

 

[Suitman]

.. .

Why write a post like this if you aren't trying to cause trouble?
I'm not on anyone's side here.
We're all Eels fans and I think the difference's between the two sites are petty and childish.
I disagree with a lot of the shite I see on nospam46 but I don't feel the need to defend LU. LU is just as much to blame. There are epic fail posters on both sites.

See you in the Swamp. If this lasts that far.

For the record, I totally blame that wannabe real estate or car salesman, Issac Moses.

Suity

 

[Suitman]

You are right - Why is it his managers fault ? It's his managers job to get the beSt deal. All the manager did was present izzy with options and a recommendation. The fault HAS to lie with the player.

How well do you know Izzy?
I'm guessing he's a very impressionable young 23 yr old that is trying to do the best for his family and is influenced by a fast talker.

Suity

 

[Maroubra Eel]

The blame lies with Izzy. Dog.

 

[Fifty Metre Line]

You are right - Why is it his managers fault ? It's his managers job to get the beSt deal. All the manager did was present izzy with options and a recommendation. The fault HAS to lie with the player.

Actually a manager's job is to do what's in the best interests of the client, not to make as much money as possible.
If he is advising Israel to play a game that he won't enjoy then he's not doing his job correctly.

In saying that, Israel should be able to work out for himself what he wants to do.
I'm assuming he's not geniused.

 

[Suitman]

Actually a manager's job is to do what's in the best interests of the client, not to make as much money as possible.
If he is advising Israel to play a game that he won't enjoy then he's not doing his job correctly.

In saying that, Israel should be able to work out for himself what he wants to do.
I'm assuming he's not geniused.

I completely agree with your first three sentences.
The fourth one I'm undecided.

Suity

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

You are right - Why is it his managers fault ? It's his managers job to get the beSt deal. All the manager did was present izzy with options and a recommendation. The fault HAS to lie with the player.

The manager appears to have acted dishonestly. Moses should have acted more ethically and up front with Parra.

 

[bartman]

Pity Moses was banned for only six months over his knowing involvement in the Storm salary cap scandal. That penalty was far too light for player managers like him.

 

[Suitman]

The manager appears to have acted dishonestly. Moses should have acted more ethically and up front with Parra.

And maybe he shouldn't have rung Ricky in tears.........

Although I doubt that is highly unlikely to have happened.

Suity

 

[Joely01]

You are right - Why is it his managers fault ? It's his managers job to get the beSt deal. All the manager did was present izzy with options and a recommendation. The fault HAS to lie with the player.

When a manager is paid on percentage I'd be pretty certain that he has a fairly decent say in where his clients play.

 

[Suitman]

When a manager is paid on percentage I'd be pretty certain that he has a fairly decent say in where his clients play.

I can't believe people are missing this point. In this case particularly, I think it is pertinant.

Suity

 

[hineyrulz]

....

You are showing your true colours now :lol: But but but but i am just a sometimes poster on both sites.......

 

[hineyrulz]

And for the record i blame his manager who was hit with a wet lettuce leaf by Gallop, and Izzy himself who has no credibilty left whatsoever.

 

[Etu Uaisele]

You are showing your true colours now :lol: But but but but i am just a sometimes poster on both sites.......

It's called tounge in cheek bud .