Who Came Last???

[***MH***]

for work sweep???

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Some horse was way off the pace looked like it got an injury or something not sure who

 

[Twizzle]

yeh, one of the horses broke down

 

[Timmah]

Franklins Gardens dropped out at the final turn. Number 5, Franklins Gardens, was last in the 2005 Emirates Melbourne Cup.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Franklins Gardens dropped out at the final turn. Number 5, Franklins Gardens, was last in the 2005 Emirates Melbourne Cup.

Nope it has just been confirmed that Mr Celebrity finished last as Franklins Gardens pulled out of the race and did not finish. So for all those office sweeps the money should go to Mr Celebrity.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Now there is some conjecture over the last place getter. It is still being investigated

 

[morri (cWo)]

lol mr celebrity. robbie waterhouses favourite.

 

[steaming stormer]

Franklins Gardens was officially declared last

 

[Nuffs]

if a horse pulls out of a race, it still comes last

franklins gardens was last

 

[waltzing Meninga]

I disagree. If a horse doesn't finish it doesn't get a finishing position. it gets DNF. What would happen if 5 horses pulled out?

Anyway they decided to give it to Franklins Gardens

 

[Nuffs]

i take everything back

apparently something finished behind franklinks gardens. and i've got the proof

 

[Nuffs]

I disagree. If a horse doesn't finish it doesn't get a finishing position. it gets DNF. What would happen if 5 horses pulled out?

Anyway they decided to give it to Franklins Gardens

if i was coming last in a race, could i just stop and walk off the track and not be last?? of course not!

out of the 24 starters in the cup, franklinks gardens was the last (or would have been last) to cross the finish line. the official placing may say DNF-24. but they signals that mr celebrity would get given the placing of 23-24. NOT LAST!!

 

[Twizzle]

I disagree. If a horse doesn't finish it doesn't get a finishing position. it gets DNF. What would happen if 5 horses pulled out?

Anyway they decided to give it to Franklins Gardens

woohoo

I won something

 

[Foz]

I was at Rosehill one day and the guys at the next table boxed a 6 horse field in the superfecta.
I think a couple were scratched earlier in the day but 6 ran.
1 horse didnt complete the course.
Superfecta dividend was around $1100.
Cost $360 to place the bet.
1 of the horses didnt complete the course.
Because of this no Superfecta dividend was paid.
They weren't real happy.
I wouldn't of been happy either.
Same scenario happened at Harold Park Trots one night.
Whats this got to do with who ran last in yesterdays cup?
Nothing really but how stewards deem horses finishing.

The question is did Franklin Gardens complete the course?
If so he is last.
If not he's a DNF.
On Sky they originally said FG didn't finish but later said it had.
Funny too that horse was lame yesterday but is fine today.
The next question is should a sweep pay out on a horse who finished 23rd or 24th anyway?

 

[waltzing Meninga]

if i was coming last in a race, could i just stop and walk off the track and not be last?? of course not!

out of the 24 starters in the cup, franklinks gardens was the last (or would have been last) to cross the finish line. the official placing may say DNF-24. but they signals that mr celebrity would get given the placing of 23-24. NOT LAST!!

OK, say there is a big fall in the race and 5 horses don't finish. who gets the divedend for last place?

 

[Nuffs]

well i would say the sweep organisers would have to divide the money between the 5 horses
just like if it was a dead heat for 1st yesterday

mr celebrity couldn't have come last. he finished 23rd and 24 horses ran

 

[waltzing Meninga]

23 horses finished and he came 23rd. As mentioned by another poster, If a horse does not finish then according to racing stewards and bookies it is considered that it never took part in the race and divedends are adjusted accordingly.

So if there were 8 horses in the race and 1 does not finish then there is no third divedend as there is only considered to be 7 horses in the race.

 

[Nuffs]

totally wrong

if a horse does not finish, it does NOT affect any dividends. it is deemed to have taken part in the race as soon as it jumps (obviously if the horse isn't given a fair start then action is taken ie. mr celebrity in the geelong cup)

the facts are this simple:

mr celebrity will be given a placing of 23 out of 24
franklins gardens will be given a placing of DNF out of 24

do you see that a horse that finished 23rd out of 24 CANNOT be given last place???

 

[waltzing Meninga]

I was at Rosehill one day and the guys at the next table boxed a 6 horse field in the superfecta.
I think a couple were scratched earlier in the day but 6 ran.
1 horse didnt complete the course.
Superfecta dividend was around $1100.
Cost $360 to place the bet.
1 of the horses didnt complete the course.
Because of this no Superfecta dividend was paid.
They weren't real happy.
I wouldn't of been happy either.
Same scenario happened at Harold Park Trots one night.
Whats this got to do with who ran last in yesterdays cup?
Nothing really but how stewards deem horses finishing.

The question is did Franklin Gardens complete the course?
If so he is last.
If not he's a DNF.
On Sky they originally said FG didn't finish but later said it had.
Funny too that horse was lame yesterday but is fine today.
The next question is should a sweep pay out on a horse who finished 23rd or 24th anyway?

Read above.

If a horse does not finish it DOES affect divedends. and as I previously stated once a horse pulls out there is no longer 24 horses in the race it becomes 23.

How can a horse finish in last place if it doesn't finish at all??

 

[Nuffs]

i don't understand the above example as it says that the superfecta dividend was $1100 but then says that there was no dividend.

how does a dividend change if the horse is given a fair start in the race? mr celebrity in the geelong cup was SCRATCHED and all dividends were changed for other runners. if a horse isn't scratched, then how do the dividends change??

franklins gardens wasn't scratched so the dividends weren't altered. END OF STORY

so in back to my question from my last post: how does a horse come last if they have run 23rd out of 24?? every other horse finished the course in front of franklinks gardens therefore FG has come last. everyone has acknowledged this fact as he is the OFFICIAL last placegetter