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Who should be halfback

Who should get the 7

  • Benji Marshall

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • John Morris

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Robbie Farah

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tim Moltzen

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • Josh Lewis

    Votes: 12 40.0%
  • Wayde Dunley

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • Total voters
    30

Eddie.

Bench
Messages
4,188
I vote for Marshall.

We don't have a halfback that will give him quality ball at 6. We don't have a halfback who knows when to get him invovled and when to pull him back. To put it in simpler terms we don't have Scott Prince and we never replaced him

He is our marquee player, our money man, and I don't want him feeding off scraps drifitng in and out of games at 6. People say he isint a leader or a organiser. I think he can be both, he has never really had the chance to become one. Now is his time to step up and with our current situation him at 7 is what needed to happen. Like i said ti is not the ideal situation, but it could turn out to be more then stop gap.

Im still holding onto the hope that he could be a very good halfback by seasons end. Andrew Johns thinks he could be and he would have a decent idea.

I am all for looking for a top specialist halfback in 2010. I was all for it in 2007, 2008 and 2009. However it hasn't happened. Benji is our most dynamic player and needs to be involved more in games with our current squad. Most of his errors are unforced ones. He can correct those.

Most people are very frustrated, however im still mildly interested and excited about him at 7 this season. I had a good feeling about him going into this season and am not going to give up on him after 2 weeks.
 

Magpies Forever

Juniors
Messages
2,208
You dont learn your new position in the prime NRL squad, you do that in State Cup or at best part time- filling in for maybe 20 minutes a game.

I'm damned if I'm going to support another "learning" season for WT- I dont care who it is, or what brainwave by Teflon Tim / Marshall has brought this about. I have had enough of writing seasons off as "they" gain experience.

Get a proper 1/2 in for most of the match, let Marshall fill in- maybe 20 minutes a game and learn when he cant do to much damage and we are covered by having our best 5/8 there in his proper position for most of the match...............
 

Eddie.

Bench
Messages
4,188
Magpies Forever, I understand the frustration.

However I thought Marshall has been a pretty ordinary 6 the past 2 seasons? Has he played any good game at 6 since Prince left? People keep banging on about his brilliance at 6 and it being his natural position. However that was when one S Prince was there pulling the strings 3 seasons ago. THen has was a bloddy awesome 6! The last 2 seasons I thought he was awful at 6.

I think the only way for him to get better in the current squad is to give him the reigns. Giving him some ownership over the game at 7 and leadership over the team could bring the best out of him. You can't deny he has some freakish talent. Mix that talent with some responsibility and ownership at 7 and he could end up a better 7 then 6.

If we had replaced Prince with someone very good at 7 then Marshall's form at 6 would likely of been fine. However we haven't replaced him and we need someone to step up. SOmeone who is capable and earning big money. Im not as certain of failure as others with him in the 7.
 
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Tiger Hawk

Bench
Messages
2,928
I vote for Marshall.

We don't have a halfback that will give him quality ball at 6. We don't have a halfback who knows when to get him invovled and when to pull him back. To put it in simpler terms we don't have Scott Prince and we never replaced him

He is our marquee player, our money man, and I don't want him feeding off scraps drifitng in and out of games at 6. People say he isint a leader or a organiser. I think he can be both, he has never really had the chance to become one. Now is his time to step up and with our current situation him at 7 is what needed to happen. Like i said ti is not the ideal situation, but it could turn out to be more then stop gap.

Im still holding onto the hope that he could be a very good halfback by seasons end. Andrew Johns thinks he could be and he would have a decent idea.

I am all for looking for a top specialist halfback in 2010. I was all for it in 2007, 2008 and 2009. However it hasn't happened. Benji is our most dynamic player and needs to be involved more in games with our current squad. Most of his errors are unforced ones. He can correct those.

Most people are very frustrated, however im still mildly interested and excited about him at 7 this season. I had a good feeling about him going into this season and am not going to give up on him after 2 weeks.
Well said, exactly my thoughts.
 

N.C.

Juniors
Messages
2,046
Glad to see some other people who are prepared to give Benji at seven more than just a passing "fail". It is not just about Benji and his old mate Tim. Its about Wests Tigers and the mess we are in. How we got there, who is to blame... We've all got our thoughts on that. But for mine, Benji at halfback is the best option we've got for the time being. You can't put him into the State Cup on the back of an injury free off-season, although the last couple of seasons he should have got a few games there before coming back to the grade after injury... If/when we get a good option to replace him, and we can move him back wide (or to fullback) then let it be so. If that never happens, then let's see what he can do. Two games in is hardly the time to start showing him the door...

I can't help but wonder, though... Is Moltzen a long-term prospect at the back? Is Marshall the better option? Will we start to see some swapsies as Motlzen gains a bit more experience as a starting first grader? (Note for the bleaters - I doubt it, but it's an interesting thought...)
 

rupertpupkin

Juniors
Messages
512
Magpies Forever, I understand the frustration.

However I thought Marshall has been a pretty ordinary 6 the past 2 seasons? Has he played any good game at 6 since Prince left? People keep banging on about his brilliance at 6 and it being his natural position. However that was when one S Prince was there pulling the strings 3 seasons ago. THen has was a bloddy awesome 6! The last 2 seasons I thought he was awful at 6.

I think the only way for him to get better in the current squad is to give him the reigns. Giving him some ownership over the game at 7 and leadership over the team could bring the best out of him. You can't deny he has some freakish talent. Mix that talent with some responsibility and ownership at 7 and he could end up a better 7 then 6.

If we had replaced Prince with someone very good at 7 then Marshall's form at 6 would likely of been fine. However we haven't replaced him and we need someone to step up. SOmeone who is capable and earning big money. Im not as certain of failure as others with him in the 7.

He's not going to be much of even a "stop gap" #7, let alone a "very good one". Maybe better than J-Mo, but that's not a particularly high bar to reach. It's too damn late for Marshall to be tinkered into a Halfback in the NRL, at least at the Tigers, anyway. For such an experiment to have any chance of success, you would need a well oiled, defensive and attacking machine, permanently in the top 4 and coached competently. Even then, the team would be carrying him more often than not.

He came way too late to League. Touch doesn't count. Marshall didn't start playing RL until he was sixteen. Most backs who have had a 10 year head start don't have the goods to play #7 effectively, and Marshall is going to magically develop, not just the skills, but the tactical mindset to become a good halfback, at this stage?

Marshall's lack of experience is what made him an effective weapon at 5/8, in a team that worked well, and was led by a great #7. There are a bunch of problems, but in regards to the halves, we are pretty much screwed unless WT wake up and start giving the options not yet tried a run, and time to gel (or prove that they can't), or sign an experienced specialist from outside the club.

Unfortunately, I can't see it happening. As long as Morris remains, Sheens will fall back on using him as a playmaker. He has a point to prove, and stated that the team was going to be "built around" him. I suspect he will be re-signed again, on playmaker's coin, and the merry-go-round will continue. Maybe by some miracle, Marshall can, somehow, become even an adequate #7. But the team, as is, won't lend itself to such a development. Unless of course, we are talking about years of trial and error, missing the 8 waiting for it to materialize.
 
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Magpies Forever

Juniors
Messages
2,208
I might need to clarify things- I'm not against Marshall shifting to 1/2- what I am against is Teflon Tim and Marshall using the main NRL squad as the learning experience. Maybe next season is the best time to shift him after his apprenticeship this year, if it works out.

I'm sorry their only aim should be to win each game and select the best person for each position every game (not that Teflon does that anyway).

As I said previously, Marshall can have 20 or so minutes each game filling in and learning but for the moment whilst he gains experience his main position remains 5/8. For once, WT have some options as an alternate 1/2 beyond Morris / Farah / Marshall- for chrissakes why doen't we try them? If not why the hell did McDonnell (and Teflon?) recruit / promote Dunley, Moltzen and Lewis?

Surely the sponsors, fans and, maybe even WT management, want the best team and best possible players on the field each game to try to win matches?
 

Tiger Hawk

Bench
Messages
2,928
I think it's abundantly clear that Sheens considers Marshall the best prospect at halfback. Josh Lewis wasn't recruited to the WT squad if memory serves - he was signed to BRET and is still not a member of the top 25 (23). Given he's bounced around the league and has never taken an opportunity presented to him, I have a lot of doubt over his ability to be a better halfback than Marshall. Marshall offers better defence and a better running game. As for juniors, Dunley etc, I couldn't say because I don't really watch them.
 

dimitrios

Juniors
Messages
1
When Prince first arrived at the Tigers he was a 6. His first year at 7 we missed the finals and he was hesitant at running at the line and lacked some organising skills. His injury had something to do with it as well, but what's different with Marshall? Not much.

Same went for Thurston when he changed from 6 to 7. Now Prince and Thurston are the premier halfbacks in the NRL.

Give Benji a chance to adapt. Having the best ball player/runner with his hands on the ball for the majority of the time can only be a good thing.

The greatest evil for mankind is impatience.
 
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