Who will play where in 06?

[westie]

Actually westie, you called Halatau half decent. Not really much of a complement. Poor Dene is probably shattered that a such consummate judge of talent as yourself thinks he's only half decent.

Deadset mate. This is tedious. Please notice one thing though, EVERYONE disagrees with you.

Hands up who thinks Dene is in the elite class Marshall is?

 

[Eddie.]

Hands up who thinks Dene is in the elite class Marshall is?

You say im talking out of context (rather i was just pointing out your strange infatuation with average players) and now you go asking us to compare Deano to Marshall.

In saying a player with little "technique and skill" (as you put it) can only be half decent, where does that leaves the likes of Danny Nutley, Shane Webcke, Luke Odonnell. These players run through brick walls for their teams without possesing great offloads or sidesteps. Does that mean they are only half decent? Whilst im not suggesting Dean is as good as these players, he performs a crucial role in our side. Besides a player who can slot in at backrow, dummy half and centre in a preliminary final must be showcasing some sort of skill??

 

[westie]

O'donnell is skilled IMO. The other two are heart players like Dene. What is your point?

 

[simon says]

I think the point is that you need skilled players and heart players.I think Deano has a bit of skill too,and one hell of a ticker with speed and strength.

 

[Eddie.]

My point is "heart" players are no less valuble to their teams make up then players with "technique and skill". "heart" players can be more then half decent. However as i said, can a player be classified purely as a "heart" player if he can cover 3 positions in a First Grade Semi Final? I think you have to have some sort of football awareness and positional "technique and skills" to do that.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

So you are either half decent or you are in Marshall's class? Ho hum.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

O'donnell is skilled IMO. The other two are heart players like Dene. What is your point?

That Dene is better than half decent.

 

[Vicious]

I`m not trying to get involved in any arguments here, but to hit the ball at top speed 99% of the time is a skill in it`s own as not many footballers are willing or able to do this. I mean to say, Gorden Tallis didn`t have any real skill other than to run the ball hard either, but he`s still far and away the best second rower i`ve seen in the past 20 years.

 

[simon says]

Never saw Sirro play then????

 

[Vicious]

Never saw Sirro play then????

LOL.........How did i know someone would say that???
I`ll say Sirro was the second best second rower in the past 20 years.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Marshall, Farah, Fulton have skill.

Halatau getting onto a ball with effort and committment is a different story.

You avoided the question but something we expect from you :roll:

Please post where I asked for a list of players with whom you think have skill?

I asked and will do so again since it appears you are a few steps behind the 8 ball and that is "clarify what is defined as a technique or a skill"

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Hands up who thinks Dene is in the elite class Marshall is?

Quick question how could you of all people even mention Marshall and elite class in the same sentence?

Especially when you regularly bag him for his defence, passing game, options used and continue to say that he needs alot of improvement something which clearly indicate that you don't think he is in an elite class yet


Sure we all know Halatau plays with more heart than most and if the whole team played with the same amount of passion and ticker he does then we would be unstoppable, however to even suggest that his style of play can not be attributed to skill and technique is in the same class as Kingy trying to convince everyone the Wests Tigers should train in a fridge in the lead up game to the WCC!



Dene is the most versatile player in our team and to even suggest that he is only an all heart player with no technique or skill is just ridiculous!

 

[Mighty Tiger]

I`m not trying to get involved in any arguments here, but to hit the ball at top speed 99% of the time is a skill in it`s own as not many footballers are willing or able to do this. I mean to say, Gorden Tallis didn`t have any real skill other than to run the ball hard either, but he`s still far and away the best second rower i`ve seen in the past 20 years.

Tallis skill was being able to maintain his aggression, he had a hard defence technique and a great all heart running attitude whenever he hit the ball up. He off loaded and made breaks.

Surely Tallis had skill and technique as well as heart did he not?

Just incase those didn't know I will give you definitions of what a Skill and Techinque is

Skill = Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience

1. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
2. A developed talent or ability: writing skills.

Technique = The systematic procedure by which a complex or scientific task is accomplished

1: a practical method or art applied to some particular task

2: skillfulness in the command of fundamentals deriving from practice and familiarity; "practice greatly improves proficiency"

Well last time I checked Rugby League involves the hands and body, requires talent and ability, and this is developed through training, practice, familiarity and expereinced. Westie please enlighten us all as to how Halatau is exempt from all if any of this?

 

[westie]

Quick question how could you of all people even mention Marshall and elite class in the same sentence?

Especially when you regularly bag him for his defence, passing game, options used and continue to say that he needs alot of improvement something which clearly indicate that you don't think he is in an elite class yet


Sure we all know Halatau plays with more heart than most and if the whole team played with the same amount of passion and ticker he does then we would be unstoppable, however to even suggest that his style of play can not be attributed to skill and technique is in the same class as Kingy trying to convince everyone the Wests Tigers should train in a fridge in the lead up game to the WCC!



Dene is the most versatile player in our team and to even suggest that he is only an all heart player with no technique or skill is just ridiculous!

Is it such a hard concept to understand that one can admire a player - and yet still realise there are imperfections which, if corrected, could lead to an even better player?

I think being somewhat of a "soccer" fan, you will know what I mean by skill and technique. Are you suggesting that Halatau's skill is on the same level and our other youngsters such as Marshall, Farah, Fulton etc?

 

[Balmain_Boy]

Does that mean he has no skill and is only half decent?

 

[westie]

No skill? No. Just no where near the skill of other, more talented players.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Is it such a hard concept to understand that one can admire a player - and yet still realise there are imperfections which, if corrected, could lead to an even better player?

No its not, all players have flaws, however its the way you say it. To say Halatau doesn't have any skill or technique is utter BS!

I think being somewhat of a "soccer" fan, you will know what I mean by skill and technique. Are you suggesting that Halatau's skill is on the same level and our other youngsters such as Marshall, Farah, Fulton etc?

No one except for yourself is trying to compare him to other players

He doesn't have the same skills as Marshall, Farah of Fulton however he does have other skills that Marshall, Farah and Fulton don't have or are yet to develope which he uses to the best of his ability which is why he is a very different player to those in which your trying to compare him to.

He isn't the most skillfull player in the world nor is he the least skilled, however you need to realise he is a very different player to Farah, Marshall and Fulton and posses skills which in some areas are better than those 3 and in othes are well and truly behind them.

When played at hooker he compliments our team perfectly when Farah is off the park. He gets us going forward on a regular basis something which is far different to the way others in the team play however is just as important.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

No skill? No.

Finally glad you admit he has skill!

Just no where near the skill of other, more talented players.

He has different skills some that are better than other players some that are worse.

 

[westie]

Hmmm... Sounds surprisingly similar to the point I was making.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Hmmm... Sounds surprisingly similar to the point I was making.

Not once did you state he has a different skill and technique to other players, nor did you say that he has some skills and techniques that are better than those to whom you have tried to compare him to.

On top of that you emplied that halatau didn't have skill which is far from trying to say he is a different player to others in the side or that he doesn't have the ability of others in the side who in return don't have his ability.

This is exactly what you said

Marshall, Farah, Fulton have skill.
Halatau getting onto a ball with effort and committment is a different story.

However - I was not struck by his stunning technique or skills. Rather the fact that he played at 100 miles an hour. I.e with heart.

Halatau has shown himself to be a half decent player with a good heart. Nothing fantastic but good effort shown. Will probably struggle to work his way back into the team if he is infact out for as long as predicted.

Now all you have to do is admit you were wrong