Who will play where in 06?

[innsaneink]

Hmmm... Sounds surprisingly similar to the point I was making.

Looks quite a different point to me.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

lol Ink. Or how about this one

Keep on digging westie.

 

[westie]

Not once did you state he has a different skill and technique to other players

[Marshall, Farah, Fulton have skill.
Halatau getting onto a ball with effort and committment is a different story.

Ummm... You are meant to be disagreeing with me. The quotes you have supplied defeat your argument.

nor did you say that he has some skills and techniques that are better than those to whom you have tried to compare him to.

However - I was not struck by his stunning technique or skills. Rather the fact that he played at 100 miles an hour. I.e with heart.

If I'm not saying exactly that, then what the hell am I saying here? What exactly are his different skills then? The ability to run? Catch (hmmm)?

On top of that you emplied that halatau didn't have skill which is far from trying to say he is a different player to others in the side or that he doesn't have the ability of others in the side who in return don't have his ability.

Try this example. Christiano Ronaldo has plenty of skill and technique. In comparison, Roy Keane has very little. This does not make Keane a poor player now does it?

Now all you have to do is admit you were wrong[/QUOTE]


Admit I was wrong? Not when what you are saying is backed up by quotes from myself.

 

[simon says]

I think the fact that you said he was "half decent" when in fact he played awesome is the sticking point mate........

 

[Balmain_Boy]

Or the fact that Farah, Fulton, Marshall etc. were skillfull and that Dene was a different story (ie: Different to skillful).

 

[Mighty Tiger]

If I'm not saying exactly that, then what the hell am I saying here? What exactly are his different skills then? The ability to run? Catch (hmmm)?

Physical strength and use of that
The skill level to break a tackle
The skill level to choose when he runs and to be able to create an opening
The skill level to put the team on the front foot when our other forwards have failed to do so

We have yet seen Fulton put the team on the front foot, we are lucky to see Fulton poses the ability to break the line, we are lucky to see what skills Fulton has in the NRL

If for 1 minute you are trying to judge Dene and say he isn't different to those other players nor that he doesn't have different skills and techinques to those other players then you really need to watch him play again, then watch Fulton, then watch Farah and then watch Benji

All 4 players have different Skills and Techniques and all have some that are better than others and others that are worse than others - or are you saying Fulton, Farah and Marshall have the same skill and techinque as each other and all their Skills and Techniques are all superior to what Denes are?

Or do you agree that they all have different skills and techinques that are better than each others in some aspects and are worse than others in other aspects

Try this example. Christiano Ronaldo has plenty of skill and technique. In comparison, Roy Keane has very little. This does not make Keane a poor player now does it?

Actually Keane has a fair bit of skill just not to the level of Ronaldo in the general aspects of the game, Keane is also a better defender when coming from the side than what Ronaldo is as well which then makes his side defensive skill better and different from Ronaldos and I would say he is better in the air in defence and attack as well something which is a flaw of Ronadlo

Admit I was wrong? Not when what you are saying is backed up by quotes from myself.

Nothing is backed up at all, it proves the point being made that you think Halatau is a half decent player, isn't skilled (yet you backflipped on this) and doesn't have different skills to those mentioned that are better.

Put it this way I garuntee you that if you were to get the ball in hand and run full pelt at Ryles, Bailey and co from the NRL you would be smashed through the ground to China

To not aknowledge that he does have skills and techniques that are better than Marshall, Fulton and Farah is even something I wouldn't have expected by you given how you attempt to choose your words very carefully, something in this case you failed to do.

 

[westie]

Physical strength and use of that
The skill level to break a tackle
The skill level to choose when he runs and to be able to create an opening
The skill level to put the team on the front foot when our other forwards have failed to do so

We have yet seen Fulton put the team on the front foot, we are lucky to see Fulton poses the ability to break the line, we are lucky to see what skills Fulton has in the NRL

If for 1 minute you are trying to judge Dene and say he isn't different to those other players nor that he doesn't have different skills and techinques to those other players then you really need to watch him play again, then watch Fulton, then watch Farah and then watch Benji

All 4 players have different Skills and Techniques and all have some that are better than others and others that are worse than others - or are you saying Fulton, Farah and Marshall have the same skill and techinque as each other and all their Skills and Techniques are all superior to what Denes are?

Or do you agree that they all have different skills and techinques that are better than each others in some aspects and are worse than others in other aspects



Actually Keane has a fair bit of skill just not to the level of Ronaldo in the general aspects of the game, Keane is also a better defender when coming from the side than what Ronaldo is as well which then makes his side defensive skill better and different from Ronaldos and I would say he is better in the air in defence and attack as well something which is a flaw of Ronadlo




Nothing is backed up at all, it proves the point being made that you think Halatau is a half decent player, isn't skilled (yet you backflipped on this) and doesn't have different skills to those mentioned that are better.

Put it this way I garuntee you that if you were to get the ball in hand and run full pelt at Ryles, Bailey and co from the NRL you would be smashed through the ground to China

To not aknowledge that he does have skills and techniques that are better than Marshall, Fulton and Farah is even something I wouldn't have expected by you given how you attempt to choose your words very carefully, something in this case you failed to do.

You know quite well I am referring to ball playing or ball running skills. It is a basic requisite of any rugby league player to know when to run and how to catch. Please to not try to pass this off as being some elite, aquired talent.

Benji, Farah, Fulton etc have good skills. Thus being decent. Halatau does not. Thus being half decent. Not difficult.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

You know quite well I am referring to ball playing or ball running skills.

Ohhhhhh so now Halatau is a half decent ball runner - you really need to be more observant when watching games in future, watch the dragons game again and come back with you updated conclusion on his ball running ability. Also advise who had a better ball running ability during that game.

It is a basic requisite of any rugby league player to know when to run and how to catch. Please to not try to pass this off as being some elite, aquired talent.

If its so basic then why would you fail to replicate what he could do?

It would appear what impact he has on the field isn't exactly what you would call something you see every match or by every player is that correct?

Benji, Farah, Fulton etc have good skills. Thus being decent. Halatau does not. Thus being half decent. Not difficult.

Ohhhh ok so going from that it would indicate that

- Fulton who we have yet seen the skills he has shown in PL in the NRL is better ball runner and line breaker than what Halatau is, even though he has failed to prove his apperant over power skill level in the NRL?
- Benji has better defense than what Halatau has and runs the ball better and has better tackle breaking ability correct?
- Farah runs the ball harder and makes more tackle breaks and defends better than Dene correct?

 

[westie]

Must you delude yourself? I never said Fulton or any one else was better. I said in a round about way they are far more talented, which is undeniable. Talent does not always equate to immediate success. Even you will admit that when the rest of our youngsters are hitting the heights Halatau will be fighting for a spot in the team.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Must you delude yourself? I never said Fulton or any one else was better. I said in a round about way they are far more talented, which is undeniable.

ROFL me deluding myself read your previous post and then read this one you idiot

If the following quote from your previous post doesn't say they are better I don't know what you could say that wouldn't come accross as meaning that!

Benji, Farah, Fulton etc have good skills. Thus being decent. Halatau does not. Thus being half decent. Not difficult

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Westie you have just contradicted yourself

 

[westie]

You have been using the word potential lately. Let me make it simple for you. Apply it to this topic.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

So you want to change the topic now - run away like usual!

 

[Eddie.]

Westie Roy Keane had alot of skill. To play defensive midfield you have to read the game very well. Skills and technique dont just mean step overs and party tricks.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

Westie crawls away with his tail beneath his legs; you just made him your bitch Phil.

 

[westie]

Westie Roy Keane had alot of skill. To play defensive midfield you have to read the game very well. Skills and technique dont just mean step overs and party tricks.

I believe, in reference to Football - skill and technique does infact refer to step-overs, party tricks etc. Like wise, when referring to Rugby League, players like Marshall possess skill and technique where as players like Halatau, Webcke etc bring a different approach to the game. Some are just better at it than others.

What was the original topic MT?

I said Halatau is a half-decent player when compared with the likes of the other juniors we have in our team. Not even you can deny that he just isnt in the same class as the others.

But please... Go ahead and suggest that Halatau is/will be as good as the other young blokes coming through. :lol:

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Like wise, when referring to Rugby League, players like Marshall possess skill and technique where as players like Halatau, Webcke etc bring a different approach to the game. Some are just better at it than others.

Different approach to the game define that Westie?

I said Halatau is a half-decent player when compared with the likes of the other juniors we have in our team. Not even you can deny that he just isnt in the same class as the others.

Actually no you didn't - read your posts again or the ones I quoted from you which I did enough times and then come back after you comprehended what you infact did say.

But please... Go ahead and suggest that Halatau is/will be as good as the other young blokes coming through. :lol:

Your the one that is comparing him to anyone to try and make a point that Halatau doesn't have skill or technique which is clearly incorrect.

Once again if you think he is such a basic and limited skilled player then why couldn't you hit the ball up and have the same impact and why do hardly any other players in the NRL or ESL have the same impact as what Halatau does when he runs the ball - surley their is more than 1 "heart" player running around in those compitions is their not?

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Westie crawls away with his tail beneath his legs; you just made him your bitch Phil.

I would like to thank everyone who helped contribute to his bitch slapping and may they continue as they have done for the last week, for the rest of the year which on current form I have no doubt it will happen (I might require some more hands and arms at this rate because its becoming all to frequant).

 

[simon says]

Hehehehe.....nothing like a goood slap.

 

[braz]

This thread is the biggest jibber-athon ever