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Why no Sin Bin for freddy

Knight76

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Even putting aside the penalty try argument. Why wasnt Fittler sin binned for 10 minutes for a blatant professional foul.

Rarely will you see a better example of a professional foul in the game.

Kurt had a clear line to run to the ball in the in goal and freddy pulled him back. If not a penalty try definately 10 minutes.

Its this sort of ruling that makes everyone involved in the game wonder what is going on with referees.

The decision wouldnt have affected the outcome of the game i dont think but we were robbed of a good oportunity to come back with freddy off the field.
 

Razor

Coach
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Yes Kurt should have been awarded a penalty try and Freddy sin-binned. Although the biggest blunder was the 2 tries the Roosters got which weren't tries (one from a forward pass, the other was an actual try but the Roosters got the ball when they shouldn't have)

All game most of the 50-50 decisions went the Roosters way, but that's what happens when you've got bad luck. The Roosters still would have won anyway, had the 50-50 decisions been split.

Not blaming the ref for the loss, the Roosters did play well.
 

Chook

First Grade
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Freddie wasn't sin binned for exactly the same reason Kurt Gidley wasn't sin binned last year when he held back Mullins! Which I still can't figure out.

Freddie shouldv'e been sent for 10 no argument, but it wouldn't have made a difference. I think Ben Kennedy summed it up, we blew you away then shut up shop.

At least your guys had a go, not like that pack of puppies from the showground.

No hard feelings, see you guys next year.

Chook.
 

Doctor

Bench
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Freddie wasn't sin binned for exactly the same reason Kurt Gidley wasn't sin binned last year when he held back Mullins! Which I still can't figure out.

Freddie shouldv'e been sent for 10 no argument, but it wouldn't have made a difference. I think Ben Kennedy summed it up, we blew you away then shut up shop.

At least your guys had a go, not like that pack of puppies from the showground.

No hard feelings, see you guys next year.

Chook.

It is good to know there are Roosters fans out there with the decency to put together a reasoned argument.

I appreciate your honesty my fellow Chook (except I'm a Knights fan) - I think you outplayed us in all facets for the first 20 minutes, and then continued to outplay us (but to a lesser extent) for the remainder of the match.

Phil Gould's suggestion that the Knights weren't finished yet was ridiculous though - no team, let alone the defending premiers, gives up a 28 point lead at halftime to be beaten. It was only a matter of how much the Knights wanted to end their season with a more respectable scoreline - we couldn't achieve that though.

As I've said, they outplayed us and to their credit played to the whistle. Their rough-house defence, kick-chase speed and effectiveness not to mention their work from dummy half and the support of line-breaks all contributed to a solid win for them - they are going to take some beating, even for better sides.

The Knights didn't put together a performance that was to challenge the Knights - we had our moments, and probably deserved a bit more from the whistle-blower, but these things even out over the course of the season - I can't complain about too much, our game wasn't good enough, and the Roosters were in mean and intimidating form.

I must admit I don't like the Roosters much, but they beat us fair and square and deserve credit for a very solid performance, shutting us out of the game in the first 20 minutes.

NB: 'Original_Chook' is by no means associated or in any way affiliated with the forum poster 'Chook' - his posts are far to well summarised to be written by me. :lol:
 

Faranah

Juniors
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ofcourse the roosters beat us fair and square last night...but what i cant understand is, with the whole freddy fiasco...why he wasnt sin binned? and also why we got a Penalty not a penalty try? i mean okay we got a change to get another 4 or six points on the board with that penalty, but we would have got the 6 points on the board anyway if Freddy hadnt pulled kurt Back.

This i believe is quite unfair because we were not successful with that penalty we got and thus didnt get any points at all when we should have because Kurt would have definately made that try.
 

Anonymous

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Faranah said:
ofcourse the roosters beat us fair and square last night...but what i cant understand is, with the whole freddy fiasco...why he wasnt sin binned? and also why we got a Penalty not a penalty try? i mean okay we got a change to get another 4 or six points on the board with that penalty, but we would have got the 6 points on the board anyway if Freddy hadnt pulled kurt Back.

This i believe is quite unfair because we were not successful with that penalty we got and thus didnt get any points at all when we should have because Kurt would have definately made that try.


GET OVER IT LOSER
 

IanG

Coach
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Yeah we were robbed of two tries last night.

They wouldn't have changed the result I admit but it still leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

That 2nd one if he was off side I'm a duct astronaught
 
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The game is about centimetres and mindset
Sure we were never going to win the game from half time
BUT we score a try after what was an illegal foul play and it becomes 30-14 with the 2 conversions[does that still happen or is the try awarded anyway]
Then we start to play with a different attitude to get the scores closer 30- 20 isnt out of the picture if that happens
Freddie Fittler is left on the field just in case we get closer-Perhaps he re-injures his shoulder - perhaps he sets up the next try.
BUT
Perhaps we score a few while the roosters adjust their line while Fittler is in the sin bin!!!
That decision and not scoring after means a whole different mindset for the players
Fittler has been a protected species for a number of years anyway. Refs cant believe that Freddie would stand offside all game :lol: :lol:
 

Anonymous

Juniors
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In my opinion, it should have been a penalty try. My opinion is in no way reflective of whether or not a try should have been awarded in the greater context of the season. Based upon previous similar situations ( apart from the ridiculous decision the Roosters received against the Sharks this year ), there was no way a penalty try was going to be awarded.

It annoys me a bit, a penalty try would have been a fair result, Gidley was going to score, and the 6 points was a fair penalty for such an infringement. The Referee’s treat a penalty try like the death penalty. A penalty try should not be treated in such a manner, it should be retribution/ equity based on the fact that a professional foul occurred when a player was in the act of attempting to score.

I find the requirements for awarding a penalty try ridiculous. It should be something like: If in the process of attempting to score a try, a professional foul occurs by the defensive side, and there is sufficient likelihood of a try being prevented by that foul, then a penalty try should be awarded.

A refresh of the tackle count or a shot at goal is nowhere near sufficient to either balance the ledger between the sides, or to create a deterrent to stop players from committing fouls in the future.

The fact is that like scrummaging, penalty trys are far too controversial to have a referee take the wrap for a bad decision. A bit of backbone from the officials would be nice.

Last night we witnessed the Warriors commit a professional foul on a number of occasions in order to slow the dogs down. Each time it had the desired effect, the warriors reformed their line, and the dogs lost the ball. It was rather ironic to me, because the bulldogs have a tendency to do the same thing. I would like to see both the Sin Bin and the Penalty Try used far more frequently for such incidents, otherwise it will become a league wide coaching technique, if it already hasn’t.

The net effect to the game as negligible, however summed together with the no try penalty decision for Anthony Quin who wasn’t even in the shot to make a decision, I walked out of the room in disgust, not because I am a sore loser, but because I thought the decision was totally and utterly influenced by TV commentators, who I am sure are piped thru to the referees box, no matter how much they deny it. The player may well have been offside, but where is the evidence to prove that, and why wasn’t the benefit of the doubt given to the attacking side.

In summary the officiating ruined an otherwise flawless display from the Roosters, it reminded me greatly of the demolition the Knights put on Parramatta in 2001. They will win back to back, and deservedly so.
 

Zoidberg

First Grade
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Thanks for the "no hard feelings" comment Chook, but I do have hard feelings. We lost damnit! :evil:
Penalty try for sure and how the video ref ruled Quinn offside without being able to see him in the shot was F'ed up. I was just disgusted by that one. I'm not saying he wasn't offside, but the video ref couldn't see him in the video so it should have been ref's call.

Next year guys, next year.
 

Alex28

Coach
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it's alright to say "what if" in regards to Fittler being binned...

but the game was well and trully gone by that time...

we lost it with an inept performance in the first half and a better performance when it was well and trully too late...
 

CoastieChik

Juniors
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The rules state, a penalty try can only b awarded if there is NO DOUBT that a try would have been scored if not for an infringement by the opposition. How this can b judged, when the player is illegally robbed of his chance to score, is beyond me! In cases such as last nite, where a player of freddy's experience sees the need to commit a professional foul, I think the answer is spelt out! He did it b'cos he knew he had to, if he didn't, we WOULD HAVE SCORED!!! Brett Mullins did the same last yr! He knew if he didn't do something drastic, our winger (sorry I forget his name) was gonna score! So he got him high, n knocked him out!! We were robbed both of a player n a try, n all he got was a slap on the wrist!!!
It really pisses me off how everyone thinks the roosters are perfect, n not capable of committing an offence. This foresight has turned far too many games this yr (I feel desperately 4 lesser teams such as the cowboys who I feel only r, b'cos these calls are ALWAYS against them!!) , n is the only reason these teams can maintain there godly tag!
I admit that the roostrs did outplay us yesterday, HOWEVER, if there were a few calls going the right way (hello, the penalty they got that lead to their 2nd try was PATHETIC!! SOFT AS - only got cos they milked it - but being the roosters, they obviously wouldn't do that - yeah my ass!!!! ), we would have had a much betta show!
All I ask 4 is a bit of consistency! If a team or players reputation is to aid in a ref's call, can they at least use the same method for all! I think this is a very SHONKY way to do things, but at least we would have received the correct decision yesterday - when freddy's 'great knowledge n judgement' robbed us of a try which could have lead to a completely different ball game!
n that is exactly why he did it!!!
 

Big Tim

First Grade
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The reason it wasnt a penalty try was because Freddy had to be binned for it to be a penalty try. The reason he wasnt binned is cos it would have had to be a penalty try. This didnt happen cos it was Freddie. I bet you everything I have that if Walker was the one pulling Kurt back he would have been binned.

I think it was the 8 point thing that stopped it. Why cant we have a penalty try where we get the 4 points for a try and 1 shot from infront? Have the 8 point try for serious fouls to stop a try. I would have been happy with Freddie having a 10min rest, and us getting six points.

I saw the replay of the Quinn No-try, and there was proof he was off-side. It showed Kurt kicking just before the 10 and Quinn standing on the 10. So that decision was right. Hoo-ray, they got 1 right.

Does anyone else think that Tim Mander is the number 1 ref in the NRL? He is the one I would like to see with the whistle on GF day. He used the sin-bin, whilst Hampstead and the vid refs were too scared to make a decision and stick by it.
 

Voice of Reason

Juniors
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I think the blunders came from the Video-Refs and the Touchies on Saturday night, not Hampstead. The penalty against Gids on a Touchie report seemed to have Hampstead completely surprised. The Fittler example, in my opinion, was a perfect example of a penalty try and how they could rule Quinn off-side when the evidence was inconclusive I,ll never know.There is little doubt that there are protected players and teams in the league and it proves you can,t beat money and power. At the same time the Knights were fairly and squarely outplayed by a better team in the first half on Saturday night. No team in going to give the Roosters 28 points head start at half-time and come back from that. Roll-on 2004.
 

Kaz

junior
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Voice of Reason said:
I think the blunders came from the Video-Refs and the Touchies on Saturday night, not Hampstead. The penalty against Gids on a Touchie report seemed to have Hampstead completely surprised. The

Hampstead could have over ruled the touchie & gone up to the video ref & waited for what he thought.
 

The_Ben

Juniors
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Yep Fittler is a protected species. He's in the same group as Joey. If Joey had of done the same thing, I don't think the ref would have binned him either.

They just don't send the drawcards to the sin bin as often as other players for reasons that shall remain unknown, but are easily guessed.

The only exception to this rule is Gorden Tallis. Ref's are quick to send bin him.

In any case a professional foul should incur a stint in the sin bin. However it's just crying over over spilt milk. We'll get em next year!
 

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