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Will the WT wall of silence crack?

Magpies Forever

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Something has got to blow surely.
WT seem to be a club under pressure at the moment and so far seem to have successfully kept a wall of silence in place but surely it cannot last too much longer. Something has to surface soon and hit the media.
Any one of these elements, or combination, could cause the whole place to erupt.
The coach- Sheens is under pressure to get results. It would seem that he was only saved from being shown the door after this season by the supposed fact WestsTigers cant afford to pay him out at his stage. He obviously doesn’t want to move on but the NZ Warriors may be a new challenge and safe haven for him if the blowtorch continues over the next few weeks. Previous loyalty to ‘in crowd’ players is out the door in his attempt to stave off his firing, how long will the player loyalty and hence silence remain in place- especially for those who have been shown the door. Sheens obsession in bringing back his old mate Royce Simmons as assistant coach would construe an unfathomable acquiescence if the CEO and board allow it.
The CEO- Humphreys is supposedly his own man, but everything we have heard from him lately gives the opposite impression. All too often protecting Sheens from examination and the results Sheens has achieved to date has not merited this level of protection. The rush to re-sign Sheens in 2011 for a further 3 years in the head coach role must be held accountable to both Humphreys and the board. If things continue to go wrong for WestsTigers the final straw may have been exempting Sheens role in the upcoming review of the 2012 season’s team performance. Handicapping any review beforehand, in not enabling them to join any dots as need be, is not the sign of an honest, open review of what went wrong for the club. The review would be no more than a mere platitude to a growing, vocal, increasingly exasperated fanbase.
The board- alone of the troika of WT management (coach, CEO and board) the board alone is elected by members and they must too be feeling the heat of dissatisfaction in the team’s performance, planning and supervision. The board have powers that can force action on the positions of both CEO and coach. It seems the board, from comments by the chairman Dave Trodden, preferred any extension of Sheens contract in 2011 to be headed towards moving into a role of coaching director and this was eventually changed after Humphreys wanted Sheens to remain as coach.
The Magpies / Tigers / WestsTigers- this long simmering issue most obviously fronted by the team emblem/s, home ground /s and merging lower grades into one unit remains. Neither the old Balmain Tigers or Western Suburbs Magpies can really afford to go it alone and the merged entity of WestsTigers is the logical way forward, however, home grounds and the team emblem remain as issues with the now merged State Cup side for 2014 onwards. WestsTigers currently have 3 home ground s in the SFS, Leichhardt and Campbelltown, plus a training facility at Concord, are attempting to please everyone. The merging of the 2 previous traditional clubs in the State Cup and the resultant ‘winning and losing’ in terms of the team emblems remains an emotive issue- especially on the Magpies side. Ground was given in the NRL team, to lose the emblem entirely at the State Cup level is not a happy thought.
The senior players- senior players such as Farah, Marshall and Fulton, who are the remaining players from 2005 premiership team, must be caught up in all this and have their opinions on the coach, the CEO, the board and the team’s performance. They have given the best years of their playing lives to WestsTigers under Sheens tutelage and the inelegant ditching of their 2005 team-mate Heighington after the 2012 season end, robbing him of a formal crowd farewell, must be weighing on their minds. The loss of their other valued player Ellis, in returning to England, further exposes the playing group to the vagaries of WT recruitment and retention policies, such as they exist. These players must be unhappy with the performance of new recruits such as Blair, on whose recruitment, previous valued friends and players from 2005, such as Bryce Gibbs, were ditched to accommodate.
The NRL squad- has been through years of Sheens inspired positional switches, playing of favourite players, sustained periods of out of form players being continually selected, limited chances for fringe players to get a fair shot at promotion and opportunity, continual absence of selection of traditional halfbacks for the team, Sheens mind games with some players, Benji Marshall centric plays and lack of success on the field in terms of premierships, finals and selection in representative teams. The ever present competitive comparison with other teams, coaches, their successes and failures and how their friends and rivals have compared to their own success as a player. Finally comparison with players that have left WestsTigers for opportunities elsewhere.
The sacked players- so far discarded or sacked players have been pretty diplomatic in their comments about WestsTIgers. How long before someone unloads forcing a response and counter?
 

Tiger05

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Why are we a club under pressure ? We haven't made the finals this year but other teams didn't either. Changes are being made but they are required. Next season is a new season.

What code of silence will break ? If the players start whining they can f**k off. Seriously who gives a f**k.
 

N.C.

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I thought that was a pretty insightful summary of the issues, Tiger05. You do it no justice by dismissing it so lightly... Your question "why are we a club in crisis?" shows your indifference. The answers are all in the opening post. Your assumption that unhappy players can simply be discarded is arse-about. The question should be "why are they unhappy" not "how fast can we offload them". As for the question posed in the opening post - doesn't the departure of Ryan, if the circumstances described by the papers are true, represent a small crack in this wall of silence?
 

Matchball

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Beau leaving to the sharks and Humph not knowing about it until reading it online is a weird situation.
If the guy running the club isn't in the loop with the player movements then who is really steering the ship?

Something is very wrong at our club.
 

Magpies Forever

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I thought that was a pretty insightful summary of the issues, Tiger05. You do it no justice by dismissing it so lightly... Your question "why are we a club in crisis?" shows your indifference. The answers are all in the opening post. Your assumption that unhappy players can simply be discarded is arse-about. The question should be "why are they unhappy" not "how fast can we offload them". As for the question posed in the opening post - doesn't the departure of Ryan, if the circumstances described by the papers are true, represent a small crack in this wall of silence?

Thanks NC. I've tried to summarise several of the issues / comments made in many threads into one to put my view that the WT outift is not a very happy place at the moment and things may get worse before they get better. Changing the playing roster is the smallest thing that can be done, if the other things are left to fester we will be no better off and in the same situation again very soon.

Whilst I respect all opinion inc that of Tiger05, IMHO a head in the sand attitude of 'what problem?' will at best only buy time before the underlying issues resurface and must be addressed.
 

super_coach

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The bottom line its a very fine line between a great year and a poor year. To have a great year you need luck but you also need everyone willing to do that little bit more to get the job done, and it would appear from the outside that the club is in turmoil. So its hard to imagine the top 25 contracted players will all have that single minded determination that is required in 2013.

The only good thing is all this crap is going on now and might be cleaned up in the next month or so and not drag to far into pre season training
 

Tiger05

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I thought that was a pretty insightful summary of the issues, Tiger05.

Thanks - that is because I am not a moron like most of the morons on here.

The question should be "why are they unhappy" not "how fast can we offload them".

Can you please go and shove your politically correct bullshit up your arse and go and join a greenpeace or whatever forum.

I have to go to work every so often to pay for my nice house and feed my wife and 3 kids. Do you think I f**ken like it.

These guys are playing first grade rugby league for a club that they love - the only reason they would be unhappy is because they are being told they aren't wanted because they aren't up to it.

I don't care if they are unhappy. I want the best possible team that we can field and players that are going to win us a competition. If that means getting rid of some players and the club is doing that as far as I am concerned the club should be congratulated. What is funny is you bunch of whingers were complaining that we need to get rid of players a month or two ago and now you are on here crying when the club actually does it.

The coach should be in the same position as well. Perform or f**k off.
 

hybrid_tiger

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These guys are playing first grade rugby league for a club that they love - the only reason they would be unhappy is because they are being told they aren't wanted because they aren't up to it.

I don't care if they are unhappy. I want the best possible team that we can field and players that are going to win us a competition. If that means getting rid of some players and the club is doing that as far as I am concerned the club should be congratulated. What is funny is you bunch of whingers were complaining that we need to get rid of players a month or two ago and now you are on here crying when the club actually does it.

The coach should be in the same position as well. Perform or f**k off.

I agree with this post in its ENTIRETY and couldn't have said it better myself.

The issue I have is your last sentence. I agree with it, but it's clear to me that the coach IS NOT in this same position. It clearly doesn't matter if he performs or not. He won't be f**ked off. He wasn't between 2007-2009 and he certainly won't be now. That is a problem.

Otherwise, well said. I am all for a cleanout, the issue is Sheens should be gone too. May as well use the broom properly and not just clean up the small crumbs.
 
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Today's footballers play for whoever pays the most or where it best suits their careers
yep, that's it.

Many players fall 'out of love' with their junior team or the team that they have been playing for for a few years, human nature says that we don't like change and the change in football is or might be, a new coach for example, look at Lewis at Penrith. It might also be the fact that the team is on a downwards spiral and another coach might just tap them on the shoulder, it might be the last time someone taps them on the shoulder cos they are 28 or 29, they go for the money.

Like years ago when they went to the UK for the off season, was it for the experience? No, not at all, it was for the D O L L A R S !!
 

Tiger05

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Umm, I can't be 100% sure on this one . . but when NC said "pretty insightful" , I don't think he was referring to your post. :D

I'm pretty sure he was. I don't think he meant it the way I took it but that is life

the issue is Sheens should be gone too.

I agree. Personally I think he will see out his contract however things can change.

BULLSH#T, Today's footballers play for whoever pays the most or where it best suits their careers.

Yes and no. Money is very important in their careers but I bet most players would stay at their current clubs if they could. I think Ryan and Heighno would prefer to stay at the Tigers but they are being pushed. They love the Tigers and it will always be a special club for them - the thing is it is also a professional sport and these things happen.
 

Matchball

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yep, that's it.

Many players fall 'out of love' with their junior team or the team that they have been playing for for a few years, human nature says that we don't like change and the change in football is or might be, a new coach for example, look at Lewis at Penrith. It might also be the fact that the team is on a downwards spiral and another coach might just tap them on the shoulder, it might be the last time someone taps them on the shoulder cos they are 28 or 29, they go for the money.

Like years ago when they went to the UK for the off season, was it for the experience? No, not at all, it was for the D O L L A R S !!

Not always about dollars.
Scott Prince's family missed Queensland, that's why he departed. Same reason Ellis asked to be released because his family missed home and the family support base.

These departures had nothing to do with money.
 
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Front-Rower

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Not always about dollars.
Scott Prince's family missed Queensland, that's why he departed. Same reason Ellis asked to be released because his family missed home and the family support base.

These departures had nothing to do with money.

Didn't Prince's family miss Townsville? Long way from Gold Coast to Townsville..
 

N.C.

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Thanks - that is because I am not a moron like most of the morons on here.



Can you please go and shove your politically correct bullshit up your arse and go and join a greenpeace or whatever forum.

I have to go to work every so often to pay for my nice house and feed my wife and 3 kids. Do you think I f**ken like it.

These guys are playing first grade rugby league for a club that they love - the only reason they would be unhappy is because they are being told they aren't wanted because they aren't up to it.

I don't care if they are unhappy. I want the best possible team that we can field and players that are going to win us a competition. If that means getting rid of some players and the club is doing that as far as I am concerned the club should be congratulated. What is funny is you bunch of whingers were complaining that we need to get rid of players a month or two ago and now you are on here crying when the club actually does it.

The coach should be in the same position as well. Perform or f**k off.
I beg your pardon, but Ryan turning his back on an agreed three year deal in order to take up a spot with a rival club, without even telling the CEO about it, is not even close to "getting rid of some players".
But regardless of that, I'm pretty sure I understood what you were talking about... but I can't be so sure you've cottoned on to where I'm coming from. Maybe that's because you're not a moron?
For the record, I was talking about the opening post when I said it was an insightful summary.
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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I beg your pardon, but Ryan turning his back on an agreed three year deal in order to take up a spot with a rival club, without even telling the CEO about it, is not even close to "getting rid of some players".

Perhaps karma is real, sad as it is for this Tigers fan.

*cough*timidloltzen*cough*
 

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