Would Ronchi be Australia's top wicketkeeper?

[TheDalek079]

Once again, Luke Ronchi played a great innings for the Black Caps. That gets me thinking, would he be ahead of Haddin (and Wade) if he had stayed in Australia?

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

When he came to NZ I got the impression that he felt like the Aussie selectors had given up on him. It's hard to say whether he could have swayed them with the bat if he'd stayed.

I think Ronchi fell victim a bit to the shadow of Gilchrist. Around that time it felt like every wicketkeeper was opening the batting just because. I really don't think that role suited him.

 

[shiznit]

From what I remember... He hasn't exactly been a complete success in NZ either...

I think he's been dropped a few times from the NZ team...

I think if he was still in Australia he may have retired by now...

Good for him though... He's done well for us this season.

 

[Twizzle]

Once again, Luke Ronchi played a great innings for the Black Caps. That gets me thinking, would he be ahead of Haddin (and Wade) if he had stayed in Australia?

No chance.

I think he did jag an ODi some where along the line but then struggled to maintain his first class form and nearly got dropped, or may have even got dropped I think.

He has played some devastating innings in first class cricket like he did today but far too inconsistent. He went over the ditch to try and get some international cricket.

Good luck to him if he goes well. You can see what he is capable of and what I liked about his innings today is that he played "cricket" shots. His biggest problem and the reason he left was that he cant string 2 or 3 good innings together.

Hopefully he will mature for you guys and go on to make a good test keeper as well.

 

[Meth]

No chance.

I think he did jag an ODi some where along the line but then struggled to maintain his first class form and nearly got dropped, or may have even got dropped I think.

He has played some devastating innings in first class cricket like he did today but far too inconsistent. He went over the ditch to try and get some international cricket.

Good luck to him if he goes well. You can see what he is capable of and what I liked about his innings today is that he played "cricket" shots. His biggest problem and the reason he left was that he cant string 2 or 3 good innings together.

Hopefully he will mature for you guys and go on to make a good test keeper as well.

He certainly has Haddin convered, on form. And he has put together a number of good ODI innings now. A very valuable lower order batsmen/finisher type player. In saying that, his career (for us) hasn't been characterised by this purple patch that he is in.

Waitling plays more or less the same role in Tests, so I think it's a case of horses for courses and Ronchi is the ODI horse.

 

[TheParraboy]

once again, luke ronchi played a great innings for the black caps. That gets me thinking, would he be ahead of haddin (and wade) if he had stayed in australia?

lol

 

[Meth]

lol

Hardly ridiculous when nobody seems to be able to unseat Haddin, despite his age and form.

EDIT- just caught up with Haddin playing a significant role in the chase last night…keeping the wolves at bay.

 

[shiznit]

The good thing for us is that as good as Ronchi has been over the past year...

He's really not in contention for a test spot... as BJ Watling has been just as good if not better with the bat at test level.

Then we have young Latham and McCullum who can keep at a pinch... Our keeping stocks are pretty good at the moment.

 

[Twizzle]

Hardly ridiculous when nobody seems to be able to unseat Haddin, despite his age and form.

EDIT- just caught up with Haddin playing a significant role in the chase last night?keeping the wolves at bay.

what wolves ?

are you suggesting his spot in the team is in danger

Ronchi has been in your ODI team for 10 mins and cant snag a spot in your test team and you guys are comparing him to Hads

come back in 12 months time and see if he can not just sustain his form but his spot in the team, then if he can get a gig your test team we can start comparing him to Hads

dont forget he crossed the ditch because he couldn't get a gig here

 

[Red Bear]

Haddins spot in the test team should be in danger. He's been pretty rubbish the last twelve months. And Nevill amongst others has been performing well at shield level.

Best ODI option at present if he can bat like last night though, but over rated.

Would like to see Ronchi's first class splits between here and when he moved over the ditch, because I remember him being generally terrible in shield cricket, despite hsi explosive ability in short forms.

 

[Bazal]

Ronchi wouldn't be top three. Which is why he left. Pretty similar player to Matt Wade, IMO. Haddin has still been keeping very well and looks to be finding form again with the bat, he's certainly a better player than Ronchi.

 

[Meth]

what wolves ?

are you suggesting his spot in the team is in danger

Ronchi has been in your ODI team for 10 mins and cant snag a spot in your test team and you guys are comparing him to Hads

come back in 12 months time and see if he can not just sustain his form but his spot in the team, then if he can get a gig your test team we can start comparing him to Hads

dont forget he crossed the ditch because he couldn't get a gig here

The career of Haddin v the career of Ronchi- Haddin, no contest.

The form of Haddin v the form of Ronchi- I'd go with Ronchi. Haddin's never played an ODI innings like Ronchi did yesterday. Not even close, in years.

By wolves, there are plenty of Aussie fans calling for Haddin to be replaced (and understandably, plenty defending him). However, it seems that the truth is that there just isn't anyone better. Ronchi left in a different time. If he were still there now and playing the sort of cricket he is playing at the moment, he might get the gig.

It's a good thing that he can't get a spot in our Test team. Shows our strength in the wicketkeeper/batsmen department. The bloke who keeps in our team broke a world record for the sixth wicket partnership very recently (along with Williamson) and the world record that he broke was his own (along with McCullum).

I'll take Ronchi in the ODI's and Watling in the Test's, thank you very much.

 

[Meth]

Would like to see Ronchi's first class splits between here and when he moved over the ditch, because I remember him being generally terrible in shield cricket, despite hsi explosive ability in short forms.

Not all that impressive for Wellington, really, from what I've seen.

 

[Meth]

As someone said, he's been dropped from the NZ team before. He's been underwhelming at times. He's in a purple patch right now and putting together more and more great ODI lower order batting cameos together. And in the last two games, he's played the starring role.

 

[Red Bear]

Not all that impressive for Wellington, really, from what I've seen.

Just looked. Career average of 38 or so (82 games), 12/13 he averaged 62 with 4 tons and last year averaged 46, that was about 16 games total. So he's definitely performed better over there.

 

[jargan83]

To answer the OP, Ronchi would be no where near the Australian side. His last couple of seasons with WA were pretty dire and he went through a few patches where he couldn't buy a run.

He got dropped by the WA selectors at one stage because he was hopeless, I think it was after a season where his batting scores looked like a mobile phone number.

Good to see he's found some form, I went to high school with him briefly (he was a year or two ahead of me) and he was a good bloke, always happy to pass pointers on to others in the Cricket course at Kent St SHS.

 

[Meth]

Just looked. Career average of 38 or so (82 games), 12/13 he averaged 62 with 4 tons and last year averaged 46, that was about 16 games total. So he's definitely performed better over there.

Since the beginning of 2014, he's averaged over 50 with the bat in ODI's (albeit taking into account the 170* from yesterday). Haddin's averaged somewhere around 32 in ODI's and about 20 in ODI's.

Batting obviously isn't everything as a keeper, but it matters in this day and age.

 

[Twizzle]

Are you comparing Ronchi's last 12 months to Haddin's 10 year career stats wise ?

 

[Meth]

Are you comparing Ronchi's last 12 months to Haddin's 10 year career stats wise ?

Obviously not.

I clearly said before- Haddin's career v Ronchi's career = Haddin, no contest

 

[Bazal]

Personally I believe Haddin is easily the better keeper. And call me old fashioned but that's what I judge keepers on first and foremost. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Ronchi is doing well. Been a fan ever since he pasted 60 odd at about 200 strike rate in a PM's eleven game and I really enjoy watching him bat. But I'd take Haddin every day