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WWE Royal Rumble 2013 ***SPOILERS***

Big Pete

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After enduring a 38 hour black-out I've got to say I was pleased with the show and found it to be worth the wait. Not a bad match on the card and I felt everything was a step up, especially from last year.

Biggest news was obviously The Rock winning the championship. It's funny reading all the comments on here, I knew he'd polarise people but for business I definitely believe it's the right move. Go big or go home, and there's none bigger than The Rock.

I was fine with the finish. It was a tad clunky due to the swerve but I was fine with The Rock winning with the People's Elbow. It was obviously a sudden death scenario and Punk's Elbow Drop has rarely been a sufficient finish (unless it's on a big guy). It was a Crocodile Dundee moment, you call that an Elbow? etc.

Rumble was a ton of fun and served it's purpose. Cena winning is great for the Rumble and at least it makes sense. Jericho was my MVP, guy worked the crowd to perfection and had plenty of close calls. Also, don't think I've ever seen Mysterio so unfit - his family problems must be weighing on him big time.

Del Rio/Show was a really fun opener. That entrance way table spot was fantastic and I thought these two got the best out of one another. Enjoyed the finished too, a little juvenile but it protects Show and gets over Ricardo.

Tag match was fine, not a whole lot to say.

Overall a good show and it's funny reading all these people come out the wood-work to bag it.
 

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After enduring a 38 hour black-out I've got to say I was pleased with the show and found it to be worth the wait. Not a bad match on the card and I felt everything was a step up, especially from last year.

Biggest news was obviously The Rock winning the championship. It's funny reading all the comments on here, I knew he'd polarise people but for business I definitely believe it's the right move. Go big or go home, and there's none bigger than The Rock.

I was fine with the finish. It was a tad clunky due to the swerve but I was fine with The Rock winning with the People's Elbow. It was obviously a sudden death scenario and Punk's Elbow Drop has rarely been a sufficient finish (unless it's on a big guy). It was a Crocodile Dundee moment, you call that an Elbow? etc.

Rumble was a ton of fun and served it's purpose. Cena winning is great for the Rumble and at least it makes sense. Jericho was my MVP, guy worked the crowd to perfection and had plenty of close calls. Also, don't think I've ever seen Mysterio so unfit - his family problems must be weighing on him big time.

Del Rio/Show was a really fun opener. That entrance way table spot was fantastic and I thought these two got the best out of one another. Enjoyed the finished too, a little juvenile but it protects Show and gets over Ricardo.

Tag match was fine, not a whole lot to say.

Overall a good show and it's funny reading all these people come out the wood-work to bag it.

The rock brings in fans who don't normally watch... you just gotta take the good with the bad that comes with that attention.

i happily admit that if he wasn't back i wouldn't give 2 f**ks about the WWE...
 
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i think the problem there is it took one standing elbow to defeat him, after months of kicking out of multiple, more "damaging" finishers.

personally i couldnt give a rats if he was champion for 8 years or 8 minutes, you cant deny the end of his reign was weak as piss.

It's the Rock but...people seem to have a hard time remembering this is grown men pretending to fight.
 
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Watched the rumble today, first event I have watched since wrestlemania, here's my random thoughts
-Why does Cody Rhodes have a pornstar mo? Is he a modern day Val Venis?
-Ryback that everyone raves about is Skip Sheffield? Did not expect that at all
-Kofi's save was epic
-JBL is an awesome colour commentator, I would even say I prefer him to Punk as he doesn't need to make obscure references
-That ending was one of the weakest things I have ever seen
-Dolph is still on the cusp of the main event, much like he was 2 years ago, just with a new entourage
-The surprises were all pretty cool, they got the balance between the comedy eliminations and serious stuff right
-Drew McIntyre is teaming with Slater and Mahal, so I guess Vince's hard on for the guy is long gone?
-Swagger, Truth, Gabriel, Hunico.....have they all been future endeavored?
 

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Marshall magic said:
Why does Cody Rhodes have a pornstar mo? Is he a modern day Val Venis?

Decided to grow it when he was on the shelf for a couple of weeks. It's just something to make him stand out as a heel and hate him for.

Marshall magic said:
Drew McIntyre is teaming with Slater and Mahal, so I guess Vince's hard on for the guy is long gone?

About 3 years ago when the female TNA ref. abused him.

It's not a bad gig really. He's a better worker than where he's currently at but his character has always lacked charisma.

Marshal magic said:
-Swagger, Truth, Gabriel, Hunico.....have they all been future endeavored?

Swagger - Being repackaged
Truth - Forgotten about.
Gabriel - Forgotten about since his tag partner (Kidd) tore his ACL.
Hunico - Tore his ACL a few months back. Superstars hasn't bee the same since.

Only Barretta & Reks have left since Mania.
 
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Decided to grow it when he was on the shelf for a couple of weeks. It's just something to make him stand out as a heel and hate him for.

Fair enough, I just remembered him going back to his pretty boy gimmick, I guess he's moved on from that again?

About 3 years ago when the female TNA ref. abused him.

It's not a bad gig really. He's a better worker than where he's currently at but his character has always lacked charisma.

I remember him falling off about a year or so back, I just thought Vince had no idea what to do with him, did his run in with Tiffany really that much of a career killer?

Swagger - Being repackaged
Truth - Forgotten about.
Gabriel - Forgotten about since his tag partner (Kidd) tore his ACL.
Hunico - Tore his ACL a few months back. Superstars hasn't bee the same since.

Only Barretta & Reks have left since Mania.

Fair enough, I'm sure there was another half a dozen or so that I missed, as well as a few "who the hell is this guy" reactions
 

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Naturally, but some of these baseless criticisms still tickle my funny bone.

Which criticisms have you found baseless? The majority of gripes I've read here have been in line with those I've read from a lot of other IWC hot-spots (EWB, 411Mania etc). I don't mind the Rock/Punk outcome, as I've said - but was a bit let down by the dusty finish. I like clean finishes when a face goes over.

Loved the Rumble match, but the ending was a bit meh. Cena going over bothers me less than it just being a sudden and anti-climactic end. We've been spoiled with past final twos being given some time to work.
 

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Marshall magic said:
Fair enough, I just remembered him going back to his pretty boy gimmick, I guess he's moved on from that again?

Yeah he's basically been a condescending heel since he re-branded the IC belt. So basically he's Sheldon Cooper while Damien Sandow (his tag partner and intellectual saviour of the masses) is Frasier Crane.

Marshall magic said:
I remember him falling off about a year or so back, I just thought Vince had no idea what to do with him, did his run in with Tiffany really that much of a career killer?

Couldn't say for certain but it's awfully coincidental that he went from being a main-stay in the mid-card to being completely forgotten about after the incident.

It's a shame, because the SD EC match proved he still had something to offer in the ring.

Misanthrope said:
Which criticisms have you found baseless?

- Worst PPV of all time! (All subjective, but gee it reeks of hyperbole)
- Why does Cena ALWAYS win? (let's forget the 2012 he had)
- Why aren't they pushing Randy?!
- It only took a People's Elbow to put an end to Punk?! (let's forget Punk already received a Rock Bottom, had that nasty announcer spot and buggered his knee up in the lead up)

etc.

The IWC stereotype does my head in. Critics with nothing better to do but s**t on a product because the guys they mark for (generally Indy guys or big bumpers) didn't win.

EDIT: Will say Rock/Punk was a mixed match regardless. There were some nice moments there (Punk and the Spanish announce desk, Punk's reversal of The Rock Bottom, Punk 'tweaking' his knee etc.) but there was some clunkiness too with Punk failing to front-slam Rock onto the barricade the first time, Punk telegraphing a lot of reversal spots by leaning into The Rock's ear & just some general ring rust from The Rock. It was still a solid if not good match but it wasn't a MotYC like I suppose some fans expected. I guess I just don't share those expectations, The Rock was never that great in the ring and those years of being away was never going to help him. Going 20 minutes is pretty damn impressive considering the only preparation he's had is 'sparing' with Hawkins.

The only issue I had with the Rumble finish was how it portrayed Ryback as the secondary babyface. The finish itself was fairly standard and while it was certainly no Sheamus/Jericho let alone HBK/Taker it didn't have to be. Those finishes should be used sparingly, particularly if the match itself lacked star power. The 2013 RR didn't have that issue IMO.
 
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Misanthrope

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I really don't buy 2012 as 'a bad year' for Cena. He was still shoved down throats plenty :lol:
 

Big Pete

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I don't remember a 'main babyface' being booked so dreadfully.

Lost to Lauranaitis, lost his big once in a lifetime dream match, first man to lose Money in the Bank, lost to Ziggler and was punked out by Kane at the Rumble.
 

Big Pete

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Papa Shango is Late Handles Your Crappy Arguments

[We specialize in errata and history ‘round here, but seriously, there’s some nonsense floating around. Let’s get to it. And just to clarify off the bat, I’m a huge Punk fan. I’m a Punk O.G. I was driving to see C.M. Punk in shitty gyms that smelled like feet when you were like seven. I was hating on The Rock when you were fingerpainting. Don’t try to go with me, you’ll get slapped the f**k down.]

  • This is bullshit! CM Punk’s reign was something special!
Yes it was, and it still is. It was already the longest reign in 25 years, the longest in the modern era, and the longest by anyone not named Hogan, Backlund, Sammartino or Morales. You got it. It happened. It’s done. It was a longer reign than any by Rock, Austin, Undertaker, HHH, Randy Savage, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, or HBK. What the hell more did you want?

  • I wanted it to be longer.
Why? So he could beat Cena two or three more times? So he could re-hash matches that already happened and were awesome with Ziggler or Bryan? So The Shield could foil Ryback an additional eighteen times? Don’t get greedy.

  • I wanted him to actually beat some dudes clean! They should’ve booked him stronger!
Dude. Pro wrestling. Have you not been here long? That’s how heel champions work. Check with the Four Horsemen or the nWo. This is what goes on. In fact, Punk was booked stronger — I’d like you to note that this is the longest reign in the history of the company by a heel. Every longer reign was by an unbeatable conquering hero type. This is the strongest heel reign in the history of wrestling, even if he was a face for half of it.

  • But he went down to the damn People’s Elbow! That makes him look like a bitch!
Did it make Hogan look weak? Or, you know, everybody for five years? Everyone has jobbed to the elbowdrop. And don’t start about finishing moves. Hogan’s finisher was a weak-ass legdrop. It’s pro wrestling. It hurts if they say it hurts.

  • Yeah, but…
No, f**k you, I’m not done with this point yet. The WWE made CM Punk look stronger last night than they have at any point during his run. He kicked out of a Rock Bottom on the floor which was immediately preceded by a nasty table bump. He took it to The Rock more than Cena did at ‘Mania. And in case you haven’t noticed, only tippy-top guys who WWE has absolute faith in get to main event a big four PPV against The Rock. (Not Awesome Truth, that doesn’t count.) The fact that he lost is not WWE showing its lack of faith in CM Punk. If they didn’t have faith in CM Punk, they wouldn’t have kept their top title on him for a damn year and a half. That argument doesn’t even make sense, internet.

  • But it would’ve been better if he had defended the title at ‘Mania! The whole title reign was building to that!
No it wasn’t. Duh. First off, he’s a heel. Do you know what heels do at ‘Mania? They lose the belt to a top face. If that had happened, you just would’ve been bitching about it then. And the booking on this has been clear for, oh, I don’t know, two years. Don’t play dumb.

  • That’s the problem! You could see this coming from a mile away!
You could see the obvious, money-drawing angle that they’ve built the company around for almost half a decade coming? Good for you. The buildup to Cena-Rock II at WM29 has been underway for years. Literal years. You think they’re going to f**k with that just to make a 400-day title reign a 500-day title reign?

  • I don’t want Cena-Rock II! That’s freakin’ lame!
Dude, step back. This is the most strongly built angle since the damn Megapowers exploded. Seriously. Cena started casting shade on Rock like seven years ago, when they didn’t even know if they could ever get him back in the ring again. It built perfectly to WM27, which built for a whole damn year to WM28, which has built for a whole damn year to WM29. You could argue that it’s the most carefully built angle in WWE history. And it makes them billions of dollars.

  • They shouldn’t be doing it again. It was billed as “Once in a Lifetime”. They’re cheapening last year.
NO. Not at all. This is the stupidest, most selective-memory argument that the internet has come up with in forever. The endgame to this epic angle was obviously and always Cena going over Rock, for exactly the reason every butthurt internet fan ever points out — that Rock is a part-time guy and Cena is the guy. (The fact that Cena’s not your guy is irrelevant.) You know what makes Cena’s win stronger? If he failed to beat Rocky last year. You know how you set it up again without invalidating the Once-in-a-Lifetime thing? Book it so that it happens organically, via Cena winning the Rumble and Rock holding the title. This isn’t new. Luger wasn’t supposed to get another shot at Yokozuna, but he won the ‘94 Rumble. Benoit wasn’t supposed to get another shot at HHH, but he won the ‘04 Rumble. It’s called pro wrestling.

  • But I don’t LIKE Rock and Cena! They’re not that good in the ring! They should be pushing the best wrestlers!
Again, welcome to pro wrestling, forever. The guys on top are the guys that draw the most money. John Cena draws crazy money, and has for ten years. The Rock draws all the remaining money. With this program, they’re going to sell out everything between now and Wrestlemania. That’s the name of the game. Lemme wise you to something: Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin were not the best wrestlers in the company during their respective reigns. Hell, neither was Sammartino. But every person in the country wanted to pay money to see them. That’s how it works. As it should be.

  • If they would book guys like Punk stronger, they’d draw more money!
Than Cena or Rock? Nope, never. Reference the fact that, uh, Punk was the champion for a year and a half. Can’t book him much stronger than that. And Cena was still the bigger draw. Deal with it. Get over it.

  • But the whole thing is just a giant f**k-you to the IWC. They love trolling us. It happens every damn day…
No f**k you shut up forever. The smart fans have never had more of an influence over the product than they do right now. Ziggler, Bryan, Cesaro, Sandow, Rhodes, Punk and a billion other dudes are in prominent positions on every episode of every show. That’s for you. There you go. Have it. The people who buy WWE Rumblers and Brawlin’ Buddies and bedsheets pay the money and get Cena and Rock on top, you get the rest of the damn card. Again, don’t be f**king greedy.

  • But now they’re saying that it’ll be Punk vs. Undertaker! So after this, Punk’s reward is laying down to keep an old man’s streak alive?
YES BECAUSE THAT IS LITERALLY THE BIGGEST HONOR IN THE COMPANY. Pay attention. The Undertaker’s streak has become a much bigger deal than the WWE Title. That shit is fact. That shit is gospel. The titles have been devalued; the streak is essentially the longest-running angle in the history of pro wrestling. It’s the most prestigious shit they have. Who gets to wrestle The Undertaker at ‘Mania? For four years, they’ve thought that only Shawn and HHH were worthy of it. Now Punk is. That’s a pretty f**king big deal.

  • Punk should win, then.
f**k you no. That’s not how it works. He gets the biggest rub possible just by being in the match. And if he loses, than he can get it again next year, or someone else can, or it can be over and just go down in history as an awesome forever thing. We’re past the point where the Streak should’ve ended. It shouldn’t.

  • Well, they’re not getting my money because I don’t like it.
You were illegally streaming the damn pay-per-views anyway, f**khead. And if you weren’t, they’ll be more than happy with the hundreds of thousands of additional buys they’ll get by doing Cena-Rock II. And then they’ll get you back by booking Ziggler vs. Bryan vs. Punk vs. Cesaro in an IWC blowjob match at Over the Limit or some shit. Also, you’re still going to buy DVDs, you’re still going to pay like $40 for a Jinder Mahal action figure, and you’re still gonna drop like $150 when Raw comes to town on a Ziggler t-shirt so you can boo The Rock and feel like an individual. Don’t front.

  • But I want only the things I like to happen all the time and I don’t give a shit about what anyone else wants! Especially children! I hate children!
We know.


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Ok time for my annual RRR - Royal Rumble Review.

Firstly, the wasn't the best Royal Rumble. Far from it. It was very disappointing for 2 big reasons, however, it was easily the best Royal Rumble since 2009. That's because 2010, 2011 & 2013 were simply AWFUL.

The big 2 disappointments for me, firstly, the ring never quite filled up like I wanted it to. It did get close a few times, but as like previous years, just when it seemed to be getting full, a few wrestlers would be thrown over the top rope. That's not how I like it. I like it as full as possible with carnage everywhere. So much for that.

Secondly, the main event. Now The Rock always has been and always will be my favorite wrestler, no questions asked, however, this PPV is the 'Royal Rumble', the 26th annual Royal Rumble, therefore, the Royal Rumble SHOULD be the main event. It's a no-brainer. Imagine how it would've turned out should we have realised Cena vs Rock part 2 at Wrestlemania was on the cards once Cena eliminated Ryback, not when Rock pinned Punk. So as I said as much as I love The Rock, his match with Punk should not have been the main event.

The Rumble itself, I was surprised at a few entrants, however I would've preferred it if the likes of The Godfather and Santino stayed a bit longer. Their presence seemed useless. I was especially looking forward to The Godfather getting in and using his Martial Arts skills like he had back in the days. That was disappointing. Also, the coveted #30 spot wasn't a surprise, as I knew it was going to be Ryback as he never came out and when there was 1 spot left, it was obvious who it was going to be. I would've been happy if The Godfather or even Goldust was #30. As usual, Kofi Kingston amazed us - this time the Bunny Hop with the commentators announce chair, but all that hard work was undone as he was eliminated soon after. I have no idea who thought of undoing all that hard work and effort. Kane deciding whether or not to save Daniel Bryan was another one of those moments where you never knew what was going to happen, but the thing you expect to happen the least eventuates (who thought he was going to walk him back to the ring then drop him?). Dolph Zigglers participation was WOEFUL. He must have taken the record for most number of over-the-top-rope apron-hang-ons. He never added anything to the match and was there for so long, it would've been criminal if he won it. I thought Ryback was going to win it, however Cenas win means that the heel-face-heel-face routine of Rumble winners comes to an end.

Finally, the 'main event' (and I use that term loosely) put an end to the most painful reign of the WWE title and went to the Greatest athlete in all of entertainment. What was a pretty average PPV had a good ending - I'll give it that. A vast improvement in 2013, let's hope for better things in 2014.

7/10.
 

Big Pete

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Sweet Lord, but that reply was laden with smarkiness :lol:

Of course but unlike most smark rants it was founded on basic logic and actually hit some home truths.

Highlights include

  • But I want only the things I like to happen all the time and I don?t give a shit about what anyone else wants! Especially children! I hate children!
We know.

You were illegally streaming the damn pay-per-views anyway, f**khead. And if you weren?t, they?ll be more than happy with the hundreds of thousands of additional buys they?ll get by doing Cena-Rock II. And then they?ll get you back by booking Ziggler vs. Bryan vs. Punk vs. Cesaro in an IWC blowjob match at Over the Limit or some shit

F**king ay.
 

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