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Your State's ultimate Origin team?

Knightmare

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Make a team 1-17 of your State's players since 1980, as well as pick a coach and why you picked each person. It was harder for me than I first thought- good luck!

NSW ORIGIN DREAM TEAM

1. Anthony Minichello. I was too young to see Gary Jack in action, and I only remember seeing Tim Brasher play a few times. When he was fit and free of injury, few players were safer under the high ball than Mini or could produce such great kick-returns.

2. Michael O'Connor. Until Ryan Girdler, held the record for most points scored for NSW during a match. A proven points scorer and an ability to kick goals under pressure.

3. Laurie Daley. Difficult to move him from his club position of 5/8th, but Daley was also a good player in the centres, and proved in Game 2 of the '93 series that even a fearsome player like Mal Meninga didn't intimidate him.

4. Michael Cronin. One of the best centres seen over the past 30 years, Cronin could chime into any backline movement and polish it off brilliantly.

5. Eric Groethe (Snr.) Could smash through the opposition defence, especially dangerous close to the tryline, a great blend of speed and power.

6. Brett Kenny. Other 5/8ths like Fittler and Daley are unlucky not to be picked here, but if this hypothetical team was to play a Best of Maroons side, we all know who their 5/8th would be. And it wouldn't be Ben Ikin. Against the player they WOULD pick, 'Bert' had a superior win/ loss record when lining up against him at 5/8th. Was just as crucial as Sterling to the Eels' fortunes in the 80's IMO.

7. Andrew Johns. Yeah, all the Joey haters can cry foul, who cares? I couldn't leave out arguably the greatest player of all time in the starting line-up for this team. He got better in his later years of Origin, having stand out series in '03 and '05. If he didn't play in that 2005 series, I am not so sure NSW would have won the shield.

8. Ray Price. The bloke would take a concussion and bleed for NSW, then pick himself up and do it all again. Unlucky to never get the chance to play in an Origin winning team, Mr Perpetual Motion epitomises the passion required to succeed at Origin level.

9. Ben Elias. Just edges out Buderus. It says a lot that, more than 15 years after he retired from playing, Benny is still hated by the Qlders. Had that niggle streak in him like Ennis does, but a better all-round player and not prone to giving away silly penalties.

10. Steve Roach. Blocker is a bit of a lair and would bring a more light hearted side to the NSW camp, but on the field he was a fearsome player and an old-school prop forward who knew how to roll his sleeves up and do the hard work needed.

11. Nathan Hindmarsh. Workhorse, an 80 minute player who has never been the most spectacular player on the field, but makes up the metres and does the tackling that can make the difference between a win and a loss. Has the added advantage of being a forward that doesn't need to be interchanged at any time during the match.

12. Paul Harragon. The Chief was one of the most passionate Blues to wear the jersey. Able to lead from up front, take a few big hits and dish them out as well.

13. Bradley Clyde. One of the best (if not the best) lock of the past 30 years, had a considerable part in Canberra's great teams from 1987-94 as well as the Blues' dominance of the 90's.

Interchange:

14. Glenn Lazarus. Understood the 'Mate against Mate' concept better than most, never played for a NSW club team but was a devastating forward who always proved a handful for the opposition defences and seemingly understood that it didn't matter if he had a whole lot of club mates on the Maroons team- they were Qlders.

15. Kurt Gidley. This one might raise a few eyebrows, but although his name will not be remembered like Daley's or Fittlers' or Johns', Gidley is a workhorse who could never be accused of not putting in. If NSW had a team full of players who have given as much effort as Kids has, the Blues would have won a series more recently than 2005. He gets the bench-spot down to his ability to be used as a utility, most likely he would come on later in the game in the backs or at hooker or lock.

16. Brad Fittler. Couldn't leave Freddie out of the team. Would probably bring him on with 20 or 30 minutes to go, either to replace one of the centres with a fresh set of legs or perhaps even to take over from 'Bert' if NSW were dominating.

17. Steve Menzies. The greatest try-scoring forward in the games' history, Beaver was another 1%er who didn't shirk responsibility. Also a demon tackler, capable of single handedly chopping down any Maroons player looking to make a break.

I went with 1 specialist prop, 1 specialist back-rower, a specialist back and a utility player to try and cover all bases. I had two players who spent most of/ all their career in the backs in case one of the players 1-7 got injured during the game.

COACH: Phillip Ronald Gould. Gus couldn't give a crap about any of the Maroons players he is mates with. For him, winning the next Origin game whatever it would take from the players he had at his disposal was the #1 thing in the world. Arguably the best coach from either side at getting his team fired up for a match of Origin-like intensity.
 
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Big Pete

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Queensland Maroons.

1. Darren Lockyer
2. Lote Tuqiri
3. Greg Inglis
4. Mal Meninga
5. Israel Folau
6. Wally Lewis
7. Allan Langer
8. Steve Price
9. Cameron Smith
10. Petero Civoniceiva
11. Gorden Tallis
12. Trevor Gillmeister
13. Bob Lidner

14. Jonathan Thurston
15. Shane Webcke
16. Gary Larson
17. Darren Smith

Coach: Wayne Bennett

Some pretty controversial choices but I reckon that side could go up against and defeat just about any NSW side it faced.

Some of those bench spots could go either way.

Some of those wing choices were definitely controversial, but those two are by far the best athletes at Queensland's disposal who made an impact at this arena.

Also Bennett has to coach, especially with Meninga playing.
 

Knightmare

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Interesting you elected Inglis ahead of Miles or Renouf in the centre spot? I wasn't old enough to see Miles in his heyday and I don't really remember Pearl, but do you think Inglis beats them both?

Interesting your point on coaches as well- Beetson or Meninga would do just fine coaching the Maroons, but I don't know about them player-coaching the Maroons.
 

Big Pete

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Miles is a wee bit unlucky but I can't recall him ever dismantling a Blues side in the way Inglis has.

Renouf was actually pretty disappointing in the Origin arena.
 

typicalfan

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Inglis is much better than Pearl. Inglis is more like your Meninga type big player.

Pearl was fast and elusive but benefitted a lot from his club side being so good. Struggled when the class rose.

Still an awesome club player though. Miles could be considered unlucky though.
 

Big Pete

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On second thought I'd probably put Miles ahead of Smith on the bench...but really that bench and even some of the starters is like splitting hairs.

Renouf wasn't too bad at International level either. Just struggled in physical encounters such as Origin.
 

Mr Angry

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1. Anthony Minichello
2. Andrew Ettingshausen
3. Laurie Daley
4. Steve Rogers
5. Eric Grothe (Snr.)
6. Brett Kenny
7. Andrew Johns
8. Glen Lazarus
9. Danny Buderus
10. Steve Roach
11. Paul Sironen
12. Noel Cleal
13. Bradley Clyde
Interchange:
14. Paul Harragon
15. David Gillespie
16. Brad Fittler
17. Steve Menzies
 

Mr Angry

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Queensland Maroons.

1. Darren Lockyer
2. Lote Tuqiri
3. Greg Inglis
4. Mal Meninga
5. Israel Folau
6. Wally Lewis
7. Allan Langer
8. Steve Price
9. Cameron Smith
10. Petero Civoniceiva
11. Gorden Tallis
12. Trevor Gillmeister
13. Bob Lidner

14. Jonathan Thurston
15. Shane Webcke
16. Gary Larson
17. Darren Smith

Coach: Wayne Bennett
Not sure how Falou made it, Carne, Hancock, Salior, Boyd...........that said move Inglis to the wing and put Gene Miles to centre.

I would Start Webcke over Price.
 

Big Pete

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Carne, Hancock, Salior, Boyd

Those players don't come into my calculations. All solid wingers (in Sailor's case a good club and Int. winger, disappointing Origin winger) but Folau was a class above.

It was more Sing and Bousted who he had to contend with...and Folau gets my preference.
 

Mr Angry

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Fair enough, can't say I ever rated him, great leaper, terrible defender.

I liked your team except for that, Inglis on the other hand is a must, hence my suggestion of Miles to centre....but hey it is your team, would be happy to see either ET or Grother snr against him, ET would run around him and Eric over the top of him.
 

Big Pete

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If you moved Miles to centre you'd be playing one of Tuqiri or Inglis out of position. And really, with Meninga inside him Folau would do just fine, he really wasn't as bad a defender you're making him out to be.

Interesting thread, and much better than say a top 20 Origin players thread where you'd see the same names pop up and hairs being split all around the place.

Oh and as far as I'm concerned, my Queensland side...yeah we're definitely the underdogs.
 

typicalfan

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Make a team 1-17 of your State's players since 1980, as well as pick a coach and why you picked each person. It was harder for me than I first thought- good luck!

NSW ORIGIN DREAM TEAM

1. Anthony Minichello. I was too young to see Gary Jack in action, and I only remember seeing Tim Brasher play a few times. When he was fit and free of injury, few players were safer under the high ball than Mini or could produce such great kick-returns.

2. Michael O'Connor. Until Ryan Girdler, held the record for most points scored for NSW during a match. A proven points scorer and an ability to kick goals under pressure.

3. Laurie Daley. Difficult to move him from his club position of 5/8th, but Daley was also a good player in the centres, and proved in Game 2 of the '93 series that even a fearsome player like Mal Meninga didn't intimidate him.

4. Michael Cronin. One of the best centres seen over the past 30 years, Cronin could chime into any backline movement and polish it off brilliantly.

5. Eric Groethe (Snr.) Could smash through the opposition defence, especially dangerous close to the tryline, a great blend of speed and power.

6. Brett Kenny. Other 5/8ths like Fittler and Daley are unlucky not to be picked here, but if this hypothetical team was to play a Best of Maroons side, we all know who their 5/8th would be. And it wouldn't be Ben Ikin. Against the player they WOULD pick, 'Bert' had a superior win/ loss record when lining up against him at 5/8th. Was just as crucial as Sterling to the Eels' fortunes in the 80's IMO.

7. Andrew Johns. Yeah, all the Joey haters can cry foul, who cares? I couldn't leave out arguably the greatest player of all time in the starting line-up for this team. He got better in his later years of Origin, having stand out series in '03 and '05. If he didn't play in that 2005 series, I am not so sure NSW would have won the shield.

8. Ray Price. The bloke would take a concussion and bleed for NSW, then pick himself up and do it all again. Unlucky to never get the chance to play in an Origin winning team, Mr Perpetual Motion epitomises the passion required to succeed at Origin level.

9. Ben Elias. Just edges out Buderus. It says a lot that, more than 15 years after he retired from playing, Benny is still hated by the Qlders. Had that niggle streak in him like Ennis does, but a better all-round player and not prone to giving away silly penalties.

10. Steve Roach. Blocker is a bit of a lair and would bring a more light hearted side to the NSW camp, but on the field he was a fearsome player and an old-school prop forward who knew how to roll his sleeves up and do the hard work needed.

11. Nathan Hindmarsh. Workhorse, an 80 minute player who has never been the most spectacular player on the field, but makes up the metres and does the tackling that can make the difference between a win and a loss. Has the added advantage of being a forward that doesn't need to be interchanged at any time during the match.

12. Paul Harragon. The Chief was one of the most passionate Blues to wear the jersey. Able to lead from up front, take a few big hits and dish them out as well.

13. Bradley Clyde. One of the best (if not the best) lock of the past 30 years, had a considerable part in Canberra's great teams from 1987-94 as well as the Blues' dominance of the 90's.

Interchange:

14. Glenn Lazarus. Understood the 'Mate against Mate' concept better than most, never played for a NSW club team but was a devastating forward who always proved a handful for the opposition defences and seemingly understood that it didn't matter if he had a whole lot of club mates on the Maroons team- they were Qlders.

15. Kurt Gidley. This one might raise a few eyebrows, but although his name will not be remembered like Daley's or Fittlers' or Johns', Gidley is a workhorse who could never be accused of not putting in. If NSW had a team full of players who have given as much effort as Kids has, the Blues would have won a series more recently than 2005. He gets the bench-spot down to his ability to be used as a utility, most likely he would come on later in the game in the backs or at hooker or lock.

16. Brad Fittler. Couldn't leave Freddie out of the team. Would probably bring him on with 20 or 30 minutes to go, either to replace one of the centres with a fresh set of legs or perhaps even to take over from 'Bert' if NSW were dominating.

17. Steve Menzies. The greatest try-scoring forward in the games' history, Beaver was another 1%er who didn't shirk responsibility. Also a demon tackler, capable of single handedly chopping down any Maroons player looking to make a break.

I went with 1 specialist prop, 1 specialist back-rower, a specialist back and a utility player to try and cover all bases. I had two players who spent most of/ all their career in the backs in case one of the players 1-7 got injured during the game.

COACH: Phillip Ronald Gould. Gus couldn't give a crap about any of the Maroons players he is mates with. For him, winning the next Origin game whatever it would take from the players he had at his disposal was the #1 thing in the world. Arguably the best coach from either side at getting his team fired up for a match of Origin-like intensity.
Nice team, a few issues though. Ray Price was a lock. He wore the 8 from back when the numbers were the other way around in the scrum.

and Kurt Gidley is the other LOL much better bench players around.

My team

1. Garry Jack - Many may not have watched him but he was terrific and always put his body on the line a great defender.
2. Andrew Ettingshausen - 2nd most capped Blue of all time. Fast and elusive and could score the clutch try
3. Laurie Daley - too good not to be included in the side. A great centre as well as a great 5/8 one of NSW's best players
4. Mick Cronin - Ill go with you here although tough to compare him and Steve Rogers both champions but Cronin gives me a goal kicker.
5. Jarryd Hayne - Shock? Perhaps, I think he is already a much better origin winger than Grothe and has played more matches. Hayne is a freak and would be great outside Daley or Cronin.
6. Brett Kenny - Always made a good fist of the rivalry with Lewis and had those natural instincts that made him an awesome 5/8
7. Steve Mortimer - The most passionate Blue ever? probably and also knew how to win. Ahead of Andrew Johns for a couple of reasons.
8. Glenn Lazarus - Best prop in origin history, considering Beetson's short stay. The Brick with eyes justified as being named in the NSW team of the century.
9. Danny Buderus - closest thing to Walters we ever had. Most capped forward and second most capped captain behind Fittler. I would have him over Benny.
10. Steve Roach - Very tough to pick between Blocker and Chief both loved the confrontation and were aggressive. Went with Blocker as I think Chief will have more impact off the bench
11. Bradley Clyde - Champion backrower alongside Ray Price as the best forward in the last 30 years IMO. Always there to take the first hit up in a set and was skillful as well as hard working.
12. Wayne Pearce - Another leader, played above his weight bracket. One of NSW's greatest ever captains and would take him over Siro.
13. Brad Fittler - Another champion, most capped Blue of all time as a player and captain, too good to leave out.

14. Andrew Johns- he can tear any team apart from any position and bringing him on against tiring players is a recipe for destruction. He did it in 2000 and would do it again.
15. Paul Harragon- Chief is the second most capped forward and second most consecutive matches as a Blue behind Buderus. Always gave 110% and more and was one of the reasons why the Blues were near untouchable in the 90s.
16. Ben Kennedy- He did have that staying down moment but I think he is a great backrower, very strong and was never lazy. Guys like Siro and Geyer while have great reputations I never saw them rolling up the sleeves like Kennedy did.
17. Noel Cleal - Want some impact off the bench. Called crusher for a reason. A great option to have to rile up some QLDers.
 

Mr Angry

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Inglis out of position
Played most of his career out of position, he is a fullback, but as he is such a great player you can move him anywhere to accomodate players not so easily moved. ie Slater, Miles.

I don't think it will take long for Ivan to run him at fullback, with Hodges and Glenn your centres.

Just imagine Greg chiming in where he likes off Darren.

Pretty sure he has played on the wing for QLD.

And yes I think Falou is a terrible defender, easily beaten by a quick man or a step, big Mal even had a weakness there, could be beaten laterally, no where near as bad as Israel, certainly would not be pairing them together. Mal with Lote would be awesome.

Mal and ET where a great pairing for Aus.

Like I said though it is your team, just discussion.
 

Big Pete

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I meant on the field. Inglis has always played on the left hand side. Either way I don't see Folau as a liability and feel that right hand side would be up for the task.

I can't see Inglis going back to fullback unless he loses some weight. Hoffman is more than capable back there.

And if he were to shift there I'd imagine young Dale Copley would shift into the centres ahead of Glenn who is better backrow than a centre.

Like I said though it is your team, just discussion.

Yep and I appreciate the discussion.
 

hellteam

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I cannot believe Knightmare that you have put Kurt Gidley in the 'ultimate' NSW team. He shouldn't even be in the current team, let alone the best ever. Try to justify it all you want, but it's a laughable selection, he has done jack sh*t at Origin level and you know it.
 

mongoose

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1. Minichiello (Brasher unlucky)
2. Wishart
3. ET
4. Gasnier (Macgregor unlucky)
5. Eric Grothe
6. Daley (c)
7. Johns
8. Harrogan
9. Elias (Buderus unlucky)
10. Lazarus
11. Sirronen
12. Clyde
13. Fitler

14. Menzies
15. Roach
16. Pearce
17. Kenny

Most players i picked are from NSW dominate eras 1990 - 1994 and 2003 - 2005. I can't justify having too many NSW players from the 80s, they didnt win.
 

Knightmare

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I cannot believe Knightmare that you have put Kurt Gidley in the 'ultimate' NSW team. He shouldn't even be in the current team, let alone the best ever. Try to justify it all you want, but it's a laughable selection, he has done jack sh*t at Origin level and you know it.


The players around him haven't helped too much these last few years. Put him in one of those 90's Blues teams and he wouldn't look out of place. It was a hard decision, but I picked him for his versatility. If one of the halves or backs went down he could fill in, likewise the hooker or the lock. He may not be the best in any of those positions, but he is a better all-rounder. Even one of my Qlder mates said he would have Gidley in the current Maroons team.
 

hellteam

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The players around him haven't helped too much these last few years. Put him in one of those 90's Blues teams and he wouldn't look out of place. It was a hard decision, but I picked him for his versatility. If one of the halves or backs went down he could fill in, likewise the hooker or the lock. He may not be the best in any of those positions, but he is a better all-rounder. Even one of my Qlder mates said he would have Gidley in the current Maroons team.

You have the sh*ttest Qlder mates ever haha
 

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