Your WC 2013 Format

[whatsdoing1982]

I found out today by a member of RLIF that the format will be 4-4-3-3
He confirmed that you will have:

Australia,England,?,?
New Zealand, France, Wales, ?
?,?,?
?,?,?

I could guess the rest but this is what he said.

 

[whatsdoing1982]

I found out today by a member of RLIF that the format will be 4-4-3-3
He confirmed that you will have:

Australia,England,?,?
New Zealand, France, Wales, ?
?,?,?
?,?,?

I could guess the rest but this is what he said.

 

[whatsdoing1982]

sorry computer playing up

 

[whatsdoing1982]

I found out today by a member of RLIF that the format will be 4-4-3-3
He confirmed that you will have:

Australia,England,?,?
New Zealand, France, Wales, ?
?,?,?
?,?,?

I could guess the rest but this is what he said.

 

[whatsdoing1982]

I found out today by a member of RLIF that the format will be 4-4-3-3
He confirmed that you will have:

Australia,England,?,?
New Zealand, France, Wales, ?
?,?,?
?,?,?

This is all he said but I am sure we can fill in the blanks.
Apparently top 3 in two super pools and one from the other pools of 3 through to quarters.

 

[Mullins_y2k]

That would be awesome! makes allot of sense

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

If true, id be happy to live with that. I dont think we are ready for 8 teams in the finals yet but ill be happy with what we have.

Hmm, 3 from the 2 Super Pools and 1 from the minow pools.

Possible Quater Finals?
1st Pool A(Australia) vs 3rd Pool B(Wales)
2nd Pool B(France) vs 1st Pool C
1st Pool B(New Zealand) vs 3rd Pool A
2nd Pool A(England) vs 3rd Pool D

Or not...

 

[Springs]

The two remaining spots in Pool A are vital. I would have put Wales in with England and Australia but anyway. Hopefully they don't go the way of the 95 and 2000 World Cups where they put Fiji and then for some reason the worst team in the whole tournament in there as well.
By the looks of that I would have:
Pool A - Australia, England, Papua New Guinea, Ireland
Pool B - New Zealand, France, Wales, Fiji/Tonga

They seem to be the best 8/9 teams as of now.

 

[bowes]

The two remaining spots in Pool A are vital. I would have put Wales in with England and Australia but anyway. Hopefully they don't go the way of the 95 and 2000 World Cups where they put Fiji and then for some reason the worst team in the whole tournament in there as well.
By the looks of that I would have:
Pool A - Australia, England, Papua New Guinea, Ireland
Pool B - New Zealand, France, Wales, Fiji/Tonga

They seem to be the best 8/9 teams as of now.

Needn't be the best 8 as it means you get weaker quarterfinals, perhaps 1-6 plus 9 and 10. Just make sure the USA are kept out of the top 2 groups and it won't be a problem though (which means Australia, England, Fiji and USA no doubt). Probably should be teams like Scotland and Samoa as 4th seeds in the top groups and give the likes of Ireland and Tonga a shot at the quarters in the lower groups

 

[Springs]

If they are 2 super pools then it should be the best 8. Scotland, Samoa, Tonga and Lebanon are on the same level as Ireland and Fiji, so any of those 6 teams should get in. But I would rather see the best teams in the two pools to maximise the amount of quality games. If we have quarter finals, then with the groups I have stated, would probably see:
Australia vs Wales
England vs Samoa/Scotland/Ireland
New Zealand vs PNG
France vs Fiji/Tonga/Lebanon

Which are all quite high quality games, I don't think it will change much whichever teams make Pool A and B.

 

[PaulyTom]

Reviewed Pools-

Pool A Austalia , England , Samoa , Ireland
Pool B New Zealand, France, Wales, Png
Pool C Russia, Scotland , Lebanon
Pool D Tonga, USA , Fiji

Strengths-
Pool A- Opening clash of Australia v England to draw massive crowd. England vs Samoa could be a great clash.

Pool B - Ability to have games in France and Wales to promote the game. Wales and France have both shown the game has a great following. North Wales area (Wrexham) an area of development for the RLIF . France/Wales and PNG are evenly matched and will provide good spectacles.
Group could provide upsets with Samoa to have a strong squad.

Pool C- Ability to take RL to Scotland for at least one game.

Weakness-
Pool C and D , The question is where do you play the games? and get more then 2-3 K? Or do u have double header games?

Do you take a game to Russia?

 

[roughyedspud]

just been sat on the loo coming up with mine...

i've gone with a 4-5-5 system

Group A (super pool top 3 qualify)
Australia
England
New zealand
Samoa

Group B - top 1 qualifies for MINOR SEMI
PNG
Wales
Tonga
Cooks
USA

Group C - top 1 qualifies for MINOR SEMI
France
Ireland
Fiji
Scotland
Lebanon

MINOR SEMI FINAL
winner of Group B v winner of Group C

SEMI FINALS
game 1
Group A winner v Minor semi winner

game 2
Group A runner up v Group A third place

RLWC13 FINAL
winner of game 1 v winner of game 2

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

We need as many matches with the big 3 as possible, but preferably against each other. I think a 4-4-3-3 is the way to go.

When is the format going to be released, shouldnt it be done by now?

 

[roughyedspud]

nah it won't be released until all the teams have qualified...so November 2012

also doing 4-4-3-3 means 4 of the teams in the two 3team groups only get to play 2 games...

4-5-5 means they get to play at least 4...

do we want it to be a proper world cup or a glorified tri nations??

 

[roughyedspud]

nah it won't be released until all the teams have qualified...so November 2012

also doing 4-4-3-3 means 4 of the teams in the two 3team groups only get to play 2 games...

4-5-5 means they get to play at least 4...

do we want it to be a proper world cup or a glorified tri nations??

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

nah it won't be released until all the teams have qualified...so November 2012

also doing 4-4-3-3 means 4 of the teams in the two 3team groups only get to play 2 games...

4-5-5 means they get to play at least 4...

do we want it to be a proper world cup or a glorified tri nations??

Which ever makes money IMO.

The big 3 matches were the ones that made the majority of the money for the WC08, include France, and the same logic should apply for the 2013WC.

The other games involving the lower teir nations, wont necessarily make that much money, so the less games involving those nations, the more can be kept as profit from the games that do make money, no doubt ones that would involve the big 3.

 

[siv]

Pool A should be the top 6 Australia, NZ, England, plus #4, #5, #6 based upon world rankings

I would then go with 2 pools of 4 (based upon world rankings)
Pool B - #7, #10 #11, #14
Pool C - #8, #9, #12, #13

Week 1
1v4, 2v3, 5 v Winner C, 6 v Winner B
Week 2
1, 2 bye 3v6 4v5
Week3
1v4, 2v3
Week 4
Final

 

[adamkungl]

Assuming that the rumoured 4-4-3-3 format is correct, and that Wales and Cook Islands get the automatic selections, and that USA and Lebanon win their pools, I would go with:

Group Stage (18 matches)

A: Aus, Eng, Tonga, USA
B: NZ, France, Wales, Samoa
C: PNG, Scotland, Lebanon
D: Fiji, Ireland, Cook Isl

Quarter finals (4 matches)
E: A1 v C1
F: B1 v D1
G: A2 v B3
H: B2 v A3

'Ranking' Matches (mainly so that lower teams get more than 2 games)
A4 v B4
C3 v D3
C2 v D2

Semi finals (2 matches)
S1: E v H
S2: F v G

Final
S1 v S2

So hypothetically based on rankings

Quarters
Aus v PNG
NZ v Fiji
Eng v Wales
Tonga v France

Semis
Aus v France
NZ v Eng

Final
Aus v Eng

This system
-has 28 games in total
-spreads out the teams across groups to ensure most matches are reasonably competitive and more importantly that the quarter finals are well balanced.
-ensures no repeat games until the final (I think :sarcasm
-and ensures the best teams get through

Whoever finishes 1st in Pool A theoretically gets the easiest run through to the final. Second place in Pool A will most likely have to fight the winner of pool B for the other final spot.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

I like that Adam.

I dont like the amount of matches in it but if the RFL think they can make a good profit of 28 matches, with 10 - 14 of them involving the big 4 (France being 4th), I think thats the best model they should work off.

 

[adamkungl]

I like that Adam.

I dont like the amount of matches in it but if the RFL think they can make a good profit of 28 matches, with 10 - 14 of them involving the big 4 (France being 4th), I think thats the best model they should work off.

Don't really have a choice with 4 groups though. Hopefully the poms show some enthusiasm towards the smaller matches and we get a good broadcast deal. Also, I count 17 involving at least one of the big 4. Plus Wales Ireland and Scotland should get a bit of decent support.