NRL agrees to review T.P.A.'s . . . .

[Gareth67]

Todd Greenberg has decided that the TPA system may indeed have something to do with the systematic breaching/ rorting of the Salary Cap and shall conduct an investigation into it.

Good news , finally something concrete will be done about this problem that has seen many clubs gaining such an unfair advantage over other clubs . Possum , take a bow , as you have been most vocal about this epidemic that threatened to ruin our game .

Sincerely hope that this is not just a case of " look , we are doing the right thing here " and then allowing the culprits to travel through another avenue , to gain that edge over the competition .

Source :- FoxSports 12-12-17

 

[dragonssamy61]

What ever they come up with clubs will look for a way to cheat.
The only way for that not to happen.
Is to stop all tpa and have a salary cap that is the same for all teams.
And it audited by a independent external auditor.

 

[Gareth67]

What ever they come up with clubs will look for a way to cheat.
The only way for that not to happen.
Is to stop all tpa and have a salary cap that is the same for all teams.
And it audited but a independent external auditor.

Agree Sammy , they will always find another way . So as you say , remove it completely, that will certainly eliminate the rorting.

 

[Frank Facer]

What ever they come up with clubs will look for a way to cheat.
The only way for that not to happen.
Is to stop all tpa and have a salary cap that is the same for all teams.
And it audited but a independent external auditor.

I don't think that would stop cash in hand (or in brown paper bags) payments. I don't think it would stop clubs giving players houses either.

 

[KiamaSaint]

Do away with the salary cap and TPAs and just have a points system. Let the clubs pay what they deem fit to pay.

 

[dragonssamy61]

I don't think that would stop cash in hand (or in brown paper bags) payments. I don't think it would stop clubs giving players houses either.

Frank
I agree there is nothing that can stop cash in hand.
But houses ect would be included in the salary cap.
And that would have to be look at buy an independent authority

 

[dragonssamy61]

Do away with the salary cap and TPAs and just have a points system. Let the clubs pay what they deem fit to pay.

Great idea.

 

[SGMax]

Frank
I agree there is nothing that can stop cash in hand.
But houses ect would be included in the salary cap.
And that would have to be look at buy an independent authority

I like these ideas.

My suggestion has been to have a team of NRL experts independently value all players for Cap purposes then allow the clubs to give them whatever they want and let them have TPAs if they can get them.
Once a team's cap is full with a realistically valued roster, they will have to stop adding talent and allow other teams to have a go.
The valuation can be in $$ or in points.

This will also allow expansion as there will be enough class players to go around once the Sharks, Roosters and the Queensland teams stop stockpiling fullbacks and halves

 

[possm]

Frank
I agree there is nothing that can stop cash in hand.
But houses ect would be included in the salary cap.
And that would have to be look at buy an independent authority

Firstly I would prefer an independent body not associated with the NRL to conduct the investigation. Greenburg has skin in the game going back to his previous employment.

Then, look for a reason why cheating and rorting is happening and why Clubs are not so concerned with being caught out. Only then will find the answer to the problem.

Why would Clubs risk being caught our making cash playments and and providing houses to players? Because the NRL are not vigilant in its efforts to discover the rorting and because the penalties are not sufficient. So:

1. NRL to allocate sufficient resources to fund the auditing of each club each season by a 3rd party auditor.
2. NRL to substantially increase penalties for a serious breach:
   1. Loss of franchise license for Clubs found cheating/rorting.
   2. Loss of player manager licence for player manager involvement.
   3. Lifetime ban on players invoved in cheating/rorting..

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

Todd Greenberg has spoken to PDoust, the NRL has decided to use the same people who do the season reviews for the Dragons, Doust gave them a big wrap....
Nothing to fear, should have the review in 2035...

 

[2010]

If the NRL comes down on TPA's the smart clubs will find another way to circumvent the rules.

 

[Frank Facer]

Firstly I would prefer an independent body not associated with the NRL to conduct the investigation. Greenburg has skin in the game going back to his previous employment.

Then, look for a reason why cheating and rorting is happening and why Clubs are not so concerned with being caught out. Only then will find the answer to the problem.

Why would Clubs risk being caught our making cash playments and and providing houses to players? Because the NRL are not vigilant in its efforts to discover the rorting and because the penalties are not sufficient. So:

1. NRL to allocate sufficient resources to fund the auditing of each club each season by a 3rd party auditor.
2. NRL to substantially increase penalties for a serious breach:
   1. Loss of franchise license for Clubs found cheating/rorting.
   2. Loss of player manager licence for player manager involvement.
   3. Lifetime ban on players invoved in cheating/rorting..

Maybe they give houses to players, by giving it to a player's relative?

 

[merahputih]

The old saying: "Never hold an inquiry unless you know what the findings will be."

 

[Carlton]

I like these ideas.

My suggestion has been to have a team of NRL experts independently value all players for Cap purposes then allow the clubs to give them whatever they want and let them have TPAs if they can get them.
Once a team's cap is full with a realistically valued roster, they will have to stop adding talent and allow other teams to have a go.
The valuation can be in $$ or in points.

This will also allow expansion as there will be enough class players to go around once the Sharks, Roosters and the Queensland teams stop stockpiling fullbacks and halves

The only change I would make is the amount included in the cap should be based on offers made by all bidders. Eg bids are placed with the NRL by the interested clubs $x they are willing to include as cap and total dollars, whoever wins the signature must include under their cap the highest cap amount made by any bidder. The total dollars are not policed but the cap amount is subject to a limit. All parties are aware of the amounts and can withdraw their offers if the cap figure becomes too much.

 

[SGMax]

The only change I would make is the amount included in the cap should be based on offers made by all bidders. Eg bids are placed with the NRL by the interested clubs $x they are willing to include as cap and total dollars, whoever wins the signature must include under their cap the highest cap amount made by any bidder. The total dollars are not policed but the cap amount is subject to a limit. All parties are aware of the amounts and can withdraw their offers if the cap figure becomes too much.

This may work....but may be exploited by teams making offers for players they know they won't sign for various reasons such as location etc.
Offers will also need to be checked against available cap space...but sometimes cap space is made after the signing.
With a bit of tweaking, a better way than the current system.
Competing offers could definitely be used as a guide for player valuations.

 

[Carlton]

This may work....but may be exploited by teams making offers for players they know they won't sign for various reasons such as location etc.
Offers will also need to be checked against available cap space...but sometimes cap space is made after the signing.
With a bit of tweaking, a better way than the current system.
Competing offers could definitely be used as a guide for player valuations.

It is hard to manipulate this system as players can accept your offer and also if you don't have the cap space bad luck, plan ahead. It is the loopholes that cause the problems. With a system like the one I'm suggesting clubs will not be going after players they don't want or cant afford and players will have to be honest about why they are going somewhere and will be corralled by the cap.

This would lead to a better spread of talent and astute recruitment managers, junior development officers and development coaches would be worth a lot more than wrestle specialists.

 

[True_Believer]

Do away with the salary cap and TPAs and just have a points system. Let the clubs pay what they deem fit to pay.

This may be an option and I do like the idea of excluding payments altogether from determining team composition? Clubs can go into a bidding war and pay whatever they want for players?

Allocate a points system where players are worth X amount of points determined by a number of factors (eg rep appearances, first grade games, years at the same club etc) and provide a ceiling or 'cap' on the total points allowed for each team (same ceiling across the board).

Player points are reviewed each year and reduced/increased accordingly.

The biggest issue with this would be contract terms. It would be difficult to sign most players up for longer than a year as you would have to juggle players on a year by year basis - however one solution may be that you lock in that players points for the term of the contract (unsure what other issues this may create though). It could however create alot of uncertainty for players themselves.

Additionally you may find that clubs will consistently mismanage their funds. If they can't get it right now, this would give them an even greater opportunity to sink their club financially.

 

[KiamaSaint]

This may be an option and I do like the idea of excluding payments altogether from determining team composition? Clubs can go into a bidding war and pay whatever they want for players?

Allocate a points system where players are worth X amount of points determined by a number of factors (eg rep appearances, first grade games, years at the same club etc) and provide a ceiling or 'cap' on the total points allowed for each team (same ceiling across the board).

Player points are reviewed each year and reduced/increased accordingly.

The biggest issue with this would be contract terms. It would be difficult to sign most players up for longer than a year as you would have to juggle players on a year by year basis - however one solution may be that you lock in that players points for the term of the contract (unsure what other issues this may create though). It could however create alot of uncertainty for players themselves.

Additionally you may find that clubs will consistently mismanage their funds. If they can't get it right now, this would give them an even greater opportunity to sink their club financially.

Some good points. Maybe the points are fixed for the period of the contract so it rewards development and good team management.

 

[Slippery Morris]

If it was anyone else I would think great idea, but a guy that was involved in the cap at the bulldogs is not going to unravel anything there that potentially will have his name linked to it? If anything he will only be investigating 15 of the 16 clubs. Then punish them to give the Dogs further advantage.

 

[possm]

The old saying: "Never hold an inquiry unless you know what the findings will be."

This is why it should be an independent inquiry. Not another farce run by the NRL to cover up their cheating mates.