OFFICIAL New South Wales team, Game 2

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

I just cant comprehend picking players because of their defence. I can understand NOT picking players because of their lack of defence (eg Chris Sandow).

Defence is a team effort, NEVER a one man thing. If your expecting a player to be making one on one tackles all the time, you are begging to get beat, especially in Origin.

These selectors have forgot how to play a game of Rugby League.

 

[Aaron_sfas]

Tigers fans must be the biggest whingers in the comp, origin 1 they cry about farah now its lawrence. Who said scoot will be centre he could come of the bench which would work good, his defence is great, runs hard and has alot of agresion. Defence wins game not attack

scoot doesn't deserve to be in the squad

 

[Eels Dude]

Tigers fans must be the biggest whingers in the comp, origin 1 they cry about farah now its lawrence. Who said scoot will be centre he could come of the bench which would work good, his defence is great, runs hard and has alot of agresion. Defence wins game not attack

Because then we have 2 centres playing off the bench as the selectors seem in love with Idris.

 

[Apey]

What's with all this Jennings love fest??? The bloke is overrated. How many tries does he have in origin? Funny you call Cooper just a defensive player yet he has scored 2 more tries than Jennings this year in playing less games.

Matt Cooper:
9 games, 9 tries, 7 linebreaks, 31 tackle breaks, 10.9 runs/game, 95.1 metres/game, 18.9 tackles/game.

Michael Jennings:
12 games, 7 tries, 5 linebreaks, 56 tackle breaks, 11.2 runs/game, 103.2 metres/game, 13.3 tackles/game.

I'm not going to lie, those stats surprise me. Thankfully stats don't tell the full story. Watch Cooper and then watch Jennings, or even Lawrence. I know which one I'd want as an attacking centre. Anyway, bit redundant as my main point was about Scott.

Defence wins game not attack

I understand the point you're making but I believe it's different in Origin. We could have 15 players on the field and if players like Inglis are on they will still score tries.

Why aren't we trying to improve our dreadful points average?

ps. I know the forwards are the biggest problem.. but that argument has been done to death, and just about everyone can accept that.

 

[Noa]

I'm not going to lie, those stats surprise me. Thankfully stats don't tell the full story. Watch Cooper and then watch Jennings, or even Lawrence. I know which one I'd want as an attacking centre. Anyway, bit redundant as my main point was about Scott.



I understand the point you're making but I believe it's different in Origin. We could have 15 players on the field and if players like Inglis are on they will still score tries.

Why aren't we trying to improve our dreadful points average?

ps. I know the forwards are the biggest problem.. but that argument has been done to death, and just about everyone can accept that.

Its not that the forwards for NSW are the problem, its basically that theyre redundant. I mean, for NSW to win they have to be abs**tely smashing QLD, causing errors and camped in QLD half for most of the match because the GREATNESS of QLD's halves and backs will over-come just about any advantage the Blues pack may give them.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Tigers fans must be the biggest whingers in the comp, origin 1 they cry about farah now its lawrence. Who said scoot will be centre he could come of the bench which would work good, his defence is great, runs hard and has alot of agresion. Defence wins game not attack

I am calling for Jennings, not Lawrence, you spastic.

 

[Twizzle]

Jarryd Hayne has been cleared. The charge was thrown out

Source: Foxsports News

 

[skeepe]

Jarryd Hayne has been cleared. The charge was thrown out

Source: Foxsports News

The judiciary has just decided that there is nothing wrong with physically assaulting someone deliberately with your head.

It's a f**king disgrace. Jarryd Hayne is a disgusting thug and he's just proved he's untouchable. f**king vile merkin.

 

[matt]

The only problem i have with Hayne is that he didnt split that vile merkin Slaters nose across his face.

 

[Timbo]

First Thurston now Hayne.

Judiciary sending a great message to kids - you can do whatever the f**k you want on a footy field if you're a 'star' player.

No wonder we have 17 year old players with ego's the size of jumbo jets.

 

[Danish]

You wouldnt be saying that because he will now undoubtedly keep Dugan out would you skeepe?

 

[mickdo]

The MRC boxed the Judiciary into a corner by not charging Slater. Idiots.

 

[Noa]

lewis f**ked then

 

[BWNB]

Bloody hell, thats not fair. If it was Gallen he would be suspended for 10 weeks, but his name is Hayne so he doesnt get charged.
(im a NSW fan)

 

[BWNB]

Bloody hell, thats not fair. If it was Gallen he would be suspended for 10 weeks, but his name is Hayne so he doesnt get charged.
(im a NSW fan)

 

[anjado]

Jennings hasn't been 100% most of the season he has still scored 7 tries and broken more tackles then any other NSW centre.

NSW always get dominated up the middle, whilst this happens it is almost useless picking centre's just for defensive purposes because Queensland always win the ruck.

At least if NSW had the likes of Hayne at fullback and Jennings and maybe both the Morris boys we would be more threatening in attack even with a bad forward pack we would still be dangerous.

NSW at the moment resemble how Cronulla have been for the past 2 seasons, Score 20 points against Cronulla and it's been game over 90% of the time.

You need a balance between grinding football and flair NSW have flair players and talented players who would give Queensland something to think about. But they want to try and grind a victory and that will mean Shutting down Slater, Inglis, Lockyer and Thurston down for the whole 80 minutes because NSW have basically said we aren't interested in trying to match you out wide only containing you.

This might work if NSW had superiority in the forwards but they don't at all, Not even close at most they might dominate for 10-20 minutes over the past few series and this quite frankly isn't good enough.

It also doesn't help when we do dominate that we struggle to create chances, If we had Hayne in his proper position Jennings, Morris seeing more ball then at least we would still be a threat even if we weren't dominating.

If we picked the right team we could be dangerous from anywhere on the pitch. Queensland are dangerous from anywhere on the pitch because they have an explosive and brilliant backline and can score basically anytime they need to as proven in game one.

NSW if they picked the right team could also have this capability though not as potent as Queensland still potent none the less.

Put it this way you can see all of Queensland's backs except maybe Lockyer due to age being able to score long range tries. How many from NSW Hayne and Morris if he is put into the clear.

NSW in game one scored one try due to skill the rest were off of mistakes. NSW just completely lack spark they have the players to choose from who can do it, But are far too conservative.

If NSW are going to continue to get dominated up the middle they are going to have to have more explosiveness outwide, Having a bad forward pack is bad enough but having an impotent backline is worse since we have the players to make it an exciting one.

 

[Raider_69]

I just cant comprehend picking players because of their defence. I can understand NOT picking players because of their lack of defence (eg Chris Sandow).

Defence is a team effort, NEVER a one man thing. If your expecting a player to be making one on one tackles all the time, you are begging to get beat, especially in Origin.

These selectors have forgot how to play a game of Rugby League.

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you dont think that defense is important
this is origin mate, the QLDers have play makers that SPECIALISE in isolating defenders and getting big men hitting holes around them. If you cant tackle you are a liability, it doesnt matter how good your team or attitude is

i think its you who has forgotten how to play the game. If you cant be relied apon to make crutial one on one tackles, then you arent SOO material, because in SOO footy, if your soft defensively the quality of players you are up against will find away to isolate you in the line and exploit your weakness

no offense but that was some of the craziest stuff i've ever seen written on this forum. And you dont even have the excuse of taking the piss to fall back on.
If you need proof, go back and watch game 1 again and watch the way the QLD's isolated Idris and forced him to make decisions, decisions they knew would likely be the wrong option. They were right, he was exploited and it netted them two easy tries

 

[Lambretta]

I agree with a previous poster that had it been someone other than Hayne they would have been suspended, but I'm sure the decision to not cite Slater for his grubbyness came into it.

A case of two wrongs being more fair than just one wrong.

Not it's not right, but there's alot about the whole bloody thing thats never sodding right.

Haynes inclusion is at least just when Slater is able to play.

 

[typicalfan]

I agree with Raider. Defense has always been important in origin. Also people saying it is useless picking a defensive centre when you are losing the battle of the ruck. That is the complete opposite of logic in Rugby League.

The best Origin players in history were great defenders. Lewis, Johns, Daley, Lockyer (especially at fullback).

What we need is players playing in position unlike origin 1 and players with size and aggression. Aggression is the way QLD used to even the scales against NSW. Some of the teams QLD have fielded and won with make this squad look like immortals by comparison.

I would much rather Beau Scott than Jennings, Lawrence or Champion in a hostile environment. At least he will dish out some good solid play, he may not be the greatest attacking centre but hopefully we target the other side of the field anyway with Morris and Cooper and make this a decider.

I am so glad guys like Gallen, Hindmarsh and Scott are being considered. I still think the selectors should step aside after this but at least we will go down fighting if we do.

 

[Lambretta]

Here are some thoughts I wrote in an email to a mate before Hayne was cleared (and effectively wrote Dugan out of the picture)

Trent Barrett, Matt Cooper, Ben Creagh, Josh Dugan, Michael Ennis, Paul Gallen, Kurt Gidley, Jarryd Hayne, Nathan Hindmarsh, Jamal Idris, Jason King, Tom Learoyd-Lahrs, Luke Lewis, Brett Morris, Luke O'Donnell, Mitchell Pearce, Beau Scott, Timana Tahu, Trent Waterhouse, Michael Weyman, Brett White.

If our esteemed selectors think that squad is good enough to even come close to troubling Queensland they are delusional.

Sure, admittedly Queensland will find that team hard to break down and beat, but eventually a lack of craft and pace in the New South Wales team will conspire against them and Lockyer, Inglis, Thurston (Folau and Slater) etc will find a way through and they will beat us.

New South Wales have picked a defensive, toiling squad, with just enough softness in the forwards to ensure we lose the battle up front and then compound it with an inability to strike them out wide. If Brett White is an Origin forward, then I am Phil Goulds Great Great Grandmother.

New South Wales have gone for a blend of old men recalled out of desperation and slow men installed out of a desire to prevent Queensland scoring too many points and making the scoreline look terrible. A loss however, is a loss. The selectors want a close score so they can point to the fact that they're near to finding the solution to beating Queensland purely to save their own skins. This team has admitted to everyone that they're aware we can't win.

I don't have a problem losing to Queensland if we give it a red hot go and find players that can attack them, but picking a team designed to lose by a narrow margin is just gutless and it shames me to call myself a Blue.

Jennings, Lawrence, Farah, Snowden, Douglas & Josh Morris all deserve to be in contention ahead of the likes of Gidley, Tahu, White, Scott, and Idris and we have ignored them. Then to make matters worse we have a totally new halves combination thats never played together and wont ever play together again beyond this season. The same stupid, short sighted idiocy that has landed us in this position is once again being followed. Yes they've picked Gallen and Dugan, but it's too little to make up for the horrible selections.

For the first time since I came to Australia 15 years ago, I can honestly say that I'm seriously considering not switching the television to watch Origin next Wednesday night and that makes me so angry.