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Taylor has lost his job

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I could imagine Ivan sending an Outlook invitation to "The Big 4" on his first day on the job to talk through contracts for next year;

From: Ivan Cleary
Subject: Big 4 Re-Signing with Wests Tigers

Required: James Tedesco
Optional: Aaron Woods; Mitchell Moses

Not Required: Luke Brooks

But... But... Potential.

Seriously though, Rugby League commentators have been talking about how good these guys could potentially be for about five years now. Tedesco is the only one who consistently shows anything.

Woods can be good but is far too inconsistent to be on big coin.

Moses and Brooks just simply haven't lived up to potential imo. It all boils down to how long the Tigers are prepared to wait for something that may never come.

Considering that all of these guys are probably asking for three or even four year contracts on big money, I'd be letting Brooks and Moses test the market.

I personally don't think other clubs would be prepared to offer them the type of deal that they'd be seeking from the Tigers.
 

Perth Red

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Have to laugh at the Balmain old timers firing up and calling for the sacking of the board. They really dont get that the club is for all intense and purposes now owned and run by Wests do they?

Benny was funny last night when challenged about Balmain financial woes and he bristled and started blurting about no we werent broke lol
 

Vic Mackey

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Have to laugh at the Balmain old timers firing up and calling for the sacking of the board. They really dont get that the club is for all intense and purposes now owned and run by Wests do they?

Benny was funny last night when challenged about Balmain financial woes and he bristled and started blurting about no we werent broke lol

Benny, Blocker and Sirro are an embarrassment these days and this is form one of the most passionate Balmain fans you'll ever come across. Benny is pretty good for a laugh, too bad he isnt trying to be funny though.
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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Have to laugh at the Balmain old timers firing up and calling for the sacking of the board. They really dont get that the club is for all intense and purposes now owned and run by Wests do they?

Benny was funny last night when challenged about Balmain financial woes and he bristled and started blurting about no we werent broke lol

Well they aren't broke. It's just a cashflow problem.

All the cash flowed into Bennys pockets....
 

Incorrect

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Benny, Blocker and Sirro are an embarrassment these days and this is form one of the most passionate Balmain fans you'll ever come across. Benny is pretty good for a laugh, too bad he isnt trying to be funny though.

You now have some idea how us Parra fans feel when the Daily Tele go to Ray Price and Brett Kenny for opinions on what's wrong at Parra and how to fix it...
 

Tiger5150

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But... But... Potential.

Seriously though, Rugby League commentators have been talking about how good these guys could potentially be for about five years now. Tedesco is the only one who consistently shows anything.

Woods can be good but is far too inconsistent to be on big coin.

Moses and Brooks just simply haven't lived up to potential imo. It all boils down to how long the Tigers are prepared to wait for something that may never come.

Considering that all of these guys are probably asking for three or even four year contracts on big money, I'd be letting Brooks and Moses test the market.

I personally don't think other clubs would be prepared to offer them the type of deal that they'd be seeking from the Tigers.

I agree with all you have posted, but this raises the obvious point that either these players dont really have this amount of talent or potential and its all been media hype/Fans hopes or there is a reason that this latent potential has not been extracted.

For mine I have seen enough games where Moses and/or Brooks have torn it to bits to know that the talent and potential is there. Therefore there is a reason it hasnt been consistent and I believe it has been poor coaching.
 
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I agree with all you have posted, but this raises the obvious point that either these players dont really have this amount of talent or potential and its all been media hype/Fans hopes or there is a reason that this latent potential has not been extracted.

For mine I have seen enough games where Moses and/or Brooks have torn it to bits to know that the talent and potential is there. Therefore there is a reason it hasnt been consistent and I believe it has been poor coaching.

Or the other theory is that they've had everything handed to them on a silver platter based purely on potential alone.

All they've ever shown to this point is a rare glimpse of what they've been capable of and its been enough for the Tigers board to move heaven and earth to keep them.

It'd be hard to come in as a coach and hold these four players accountable for anything when the last four coaches to have come in and tried this have been given the shaft.

The board or the CEO or whoever it is that is running the club need to grow a set of nads and draw a line in the sand. I'd be extending the two halves and Woods for a year, telling them that they've now got the coach that they want and that an extension is on the table but I'd be demanding finals footy from the lot of them by the end of 2018.

If they don't lead the Tigers to the finals next year then they should be shown the door.
 

betcats

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I agree with all you have posted, but this raises the obvious point that either these players dont really have this amount of talent or potential and its all been media hype/Fans hopes or there is a reason that this latent potential has not been extracted.

For mine I have seen enough games where Moses and/or Brooks have torn it to bits to know that the talent and potential is there. Therefore there is a reason it hasnt been consistent and I believe it has been poor coaching.

Poor coaching and poor attitude and in Brooks case a lack of confidence. Both of these kids were thrown into first grade with very little NSW cup time. They were(and still are) a very young halves pairing with a lot to learn, it was silly to throw them to the wolves together and then try and punt the only experienced spine player on the roster. If you are going to have a young halves pairing like that you need a really good forward pack and some experience and leadership out there to guide them, the tigers had neither, add to that a number of different makeshift hookers while the farah drama played out and you have a recipe for disaster. You got Aaron woods as your captain who probably just cracks a joke and fixes his ponytail when Brooks or Moses misses a tackle or gives the ball away cheaply doing something stupid. It was really a terrible situation to try and bring not one but two young halves into grade no matter how much potential they have.
 

mikail-eagle

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Poor coaching and poor attitude and in Brooks case a lack of confidence. Both of these kids were thrown into first grade with very little NSW cup time. They were(and still are) a very young halves pairing with a lot to learn, it was silly to throw them to the wolves together and then try and punt the only experienced spine player on the roster. If you are going to have a young halves pairing like that you need a really good forward pack and some experience and leadership out there to guide them, the tigers had neither, add to that a number of different makeshift hookers while the farah drama played out and you have a recipe for disaster. You got Aaron woods as your captain who probably just cracks a joke and fixes his ponytail when Brooks or Moses misses a tackle or gives the ball away cheaply doing something stupid. It was really a terrible situation to try and bring not one but two young halves into grade no matter how much potential they have.

Reminds of 2011 at Manly when DCE and Foran came onto the scene with nothing but alot of potential. But they had a hardcore pack of forwards and other great leaders around them and an intense and control freak coach in Dess that helped Manly into winning the title. That is the sort of help these 2 young halfs need to get up to the next level.
 

THE CHAMP

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Ya see here's the thing Tigers fans-uhh.

You have a skinnyfat vanilla midget at 5/8. Your halfback is a tubby lil vanilla midget too. Both of them have no muscle definition whatsoever-uhh. Your coach is also a longtime vanilla midget who never picked up a dumbell during his playing career-uhh. How are the halves supposed to look up to a man without pecs? You will never be successful with this formula.
im sure you have looked up to/at many many men with pecs.
 

betcats

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Reminds of 2011 at Manly when DCE and Foran came onto the scene with nothing but alot of potential. But they had a hardcore pack of forwards and other great leaders around them and an intense and control freak coach in Dess that helped Manly into winning the title. That is the sort of help these 2 young halfs need to get up to the next level.

100 percent, that Manly team was just about the perfect situation for a young halves pairing. Great pack of forwards, a veteran 9 and 1, creativity outside the halves to take the pressure off and a number of good experienced leaders in the side, oh and a coach who had a clue.
 

Fufu Andronez

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Where is Andrew Webster from? Was he one of Cappy's offsiders at the Warriors, god help the Tigers if he was, hope he's not putting in the good word for Cappy.
 
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D-Day is looming at the Wests Tigers with the club considering imposing a signing deadline on the big four.

At a board meeting inside Wests-Ashfield Leagues Club on Monday night, Tigers' hierarchy discussed giving an ultimatum to James Tedesco, Aaron Woods, Mitchell Moses and Luke Brooks: Either sign for us, or we'll sign others.

The Tigers' big four won't re-sign until they know who the 2018 coach will be, but the board's in no rush to find Jason Taylor's successor.

It's a decision that will set the club and its superstar quartet on a collision course and force the four into a decision in the coming weeks.

It's remained under wraps but Wests Tigers management had actually put offers on the table to keep them at the club before the start of the season. The players didn't budge then and it's unlikely they will budge now.

The players want to know who will be coaching the Tigers in 2018 and beyond before putting pen to paper. Problem is, the club expects the process to appoint a new coach to take more than two months, and aren't willing to wait that long to establish their roster for next season.

Negotiations are ongoing with the big four, but if they stall any longer - the ultimatum is forthcoming.

Anthony Milford, Josh Reynolds, Jack Bird, Chad Townsend, Kieran Foran, Shaun Johnson and Gareth Widdop headline the list of off-contract playmakers, which is why the Tigers want to know if Brooks and Moses want to remain at the club.

The Tigers are also fed up over a perception they are being held to ransom by their manager, Isaac Moses, and will attempt to shift the balance of power with a take it or leave it ultimatum.

The club's football committee gathered on Tuesday to begin the hunt for a new coach. Ivan Cleary is expected to be atop that list. The club will consider all applications and are expected to go to the board with at least three recommendations.

At this stage there are no plans to fast-track the coaching appointment process, however that could change if there is an immediate interest of expression from Cleary that is rubber-stamped by the board.

Todd Payten, who coached many of the players in the Tigers' junior system, has the support of the playing group. However his departure from the club has left a sour taste in the mouth of those who matter, and given he was overlooked as Mick Potter's successor, he is unlikely to be thrown into the hot seat this time around. He is also managed by Moses.

The players don't want a say on who the club should appoint, but you can be guaranteed they want to know who it is before committing.

For established stars like Woods and Tedesco, time won't alter their value. But Brooks and Moses have raised some alarm bells at Tiger town with disappointing performances over the past fortnight.

The club still believe they are the right halves to lead the club into the future, but there are plenty of reservations over offloading big money to players who haven't found consistency at the top level.

However at Monday's press conference, chief executive Justin Pascoe and Marina Go announced their intention to move quickly on the retention of their high-profile players by highlighting their belief the players would sign before the announcement of the coach.

This goes against what their skipper said on NRL 360 the week before when he admitted he wanted to know who would be coaching the club before committing.

Woods was locked in a debate with the coach in the tunnel at GIO Stadium after the 40-point loss to the Raiders on Sunday, trying to work a way out of the hole the team had dug itself in.

He didn't call for the coach's head. The faces on the players after the shellacking at the hands of the Raiders did that. In fact, Woods publicly backed the coach and admitted it was time the club's young players began living up to the hype in an interview with Fairfax Media on the eve of Taylor's sacking.

"Everyone says we have really good young blokes, but we need to start living up to that hype mate," Woods said on Sunday night.

"It doesn't matter who our coach is. The boys love JT, so we have to go out there and play our footy. He's not the one going out there and playing. We deserve all the crap we've been getting because it's simply not good enough. We haven't been getting beat by two or four points, we're getting flogged by 30 or 40. It's not good enough.

"And we've scored one try in two weeks – that was from an intercept not a set play. We've lost our mojo in our attack because I think we're trying to score off every play. We need to play a bit more direct and straighter. Our halves have to learn how to control the game. It's not just our halves – it's the nine and the one too. We have to learn how to control a game and that's why we're a bit immature as a squad."

Those aren't the words of a man looking to leave. They are the words of a frustrated captain who has the Leichhardt postcode tattooed on his body. Tedesco, Moses and Brooks look up to their skipper. His movements are pivotal to their future. His movements are even more pivotal to the future of the Wests Tigers.

Reality check

It's easy to get caught up in the drama of rugby league and sometimes forget just how insignificant it really is.

The Wests Tigers were given a dose of reality last week when some sad news surrounding the health of Elijah Taylor's daughter came to light.

Taylor is one of the NRL's genuine good guys, but his world was turned upside down when his baby girl was admitted into intensive care last week fighting for her life.

The players' hearts went out to their teammate, who withdrew from the match against the Raiders to be with his family.

"There are bigger things in the world than football," Aaron Woods said. "And we just want him to look after his little one because it's really sad at the moment what he's going through."

Our thoughts are with the Taylor family.


http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ing-deadline-on-big-four-20170320-gv2hd3.html


About time...
 

AlwaysGreen

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Woods, Moses and Brooks should move into a big 4 caravan park and smoke bongs all day, thats all their good for.

tedesco should have signed with Ricky when he had the chance.
 

alien

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Ben Elias is responsible for the leagues club on Vic rd going to shit though yeah?

Balmain Leagues Club were already around $20,000,000 in debt, and he thinks Wests Tigers need more Balmain people on the WT board! Lol!

Hey Benny, Balmain hasn't been the same since you hit the crossbar - CLONK! What a wonderful sound that was when the ball hit the cross bar!

 

Clifferd

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Balmain Leagues Club were already around $20,000,000 in debt, and he thinks Wests Tigers need more Balmain people on the WT board! Lol!

Hey Benny, Balmain hasn't been the same since you hit the crossbar - CLONK! What a wonderful sound that was when the ball hit the cross bar!


Was that before or after you flipped the leagues club the bird?
 

AJB1102

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And if all 4 re-sign on stupid money further f**king the Tiger's cap for another 3-4yrs then not many smart coaches will go near and it the problems will continue.

Tigers could rival Raiderdave for digging holes.
 

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