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Alcohol sponsor ban to cost Australian sport $300m

El Diablo

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Channel Ten Sydney said this alcohol sponsorship ban on all sports was Nate Myles fault :crazy:

AFL loving wankers.
 

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As a health professional I'd love to see people drinking less. Do i think sports advertising encourages drinking, not really. There is little evidence to say it does beyond legitimising alcohol usage from a young age. Most advertisers are trying to get people to chose their drink rather than to start drinking or drink more. Having said all that I would much rather see RL teams running around with blue chip companies on their shirts than VB or XXXX (how 5hitty does the Kangaroo shirt look with VB on it?).

A ban would probably hurt RL more than any other team sport I would say when you look at how much of our game is sponsored by alcohol and how many alcohol adverts are run druing ad breaks during the game.
 
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It may reduce sales of a certain brand. However, everyone knows of alcohol, its effects and where to get it. That is something advertising cannot influence.

So if someone is watching tv and sees an ad for VB, then goes down the bottle shop wanting some beer? Will he buy a VB, well the ad may persuade him. If there is no advertising does it stop the bloke from going down the bottle shop wanting some beer? No.

how do you explain all the work done to ciggies over the years? Before the massive crackdown, it used to be that 40-50% of people smoked, now its less than 20%.

Winfeild cup? "Anyhow....have a winfield 25." Smoke companies are evil and they use dispicable advertising. They have a product which they know kills you, it smells bad, and people who dont use it wish to stay away from you and they know its addictive. Their weapon is perception and they used a message...."when you can't take anymore or if you're life isa great big bloody mess or you just can't hack it, dont worry about the mess your life is....have a smoke. You'll be fine. Your mood will improve."

Thats the message they rammed down your throat for years after they established the perception of ciggies being cool because James Dean and Brando, etc smoked back in the 50's and pre war too in movies. People were screwed twice by ciggie companies in a mass effort.

Never mind that a fitness activity like league was being stalked by an unhealthy killing machine like cirgarettes. Contradiction anyone? No one gave a rats because one they were being paid, and two, they were being paid! THREE because the public was none the wiser, it 'believed' the hype. Hell it probably just accepted ciggies as a fact of life. Never mind that they had been fricked over to fund the lavish lifestyles of guys who were effectively kill-doctors.

Advertisers always play on peoples weakness' and the removal of pain to provide pleasure is an old favourite. Companies were sitting around one day knowing they had a product that kills people and is fiercely addictive, cheap to make, but smelt bad and gave you bad breath. Someone had to came up with the idea of making cigarettes cool and useful; to do this they created a perception, played down negatives and added positives....dont like bad breath or get a sore throat? How about Menthol Cigarettes?

Now, do you want to be a slave to nicotine just because a company somewhere wants to make money so top execs can live in fancy houses and give their kids all the trimmings in life while you cough and splutter all your life wondering why your life sux?

People started to say dont let them free run to create their twisted perception that ciggies are cool and useful.

Alchohol is also a health hazzard, and can be a social one, and needs to be treated the same.

The industry is very powerful. The first loss in this fight was that we dont get warning labels on the bottles. The second could be that advertising is allowed to continue.

People who dont for one second believe that advertising makes a difference are wrong. It does. Over time they get the opportunity to lie to you and twist your perceptions. If we have learnt anything from smoking, its that, any drug, even social ones, used long-term are bad for you. Removing adverts will reduce a key avenue to this powerful industry that plays on peoples weakness' and leaves a significant social and health toll in its wake. If you don't think they sit in their offices working out how to frick you over, you're wrong. Like smoking, they dont care if the stuff kills you. They only want your money.

Everytime you see a beer add, you are watching the product of an evil industry with low morals who don't care about you, only your money; twisting perceptions in order to line their pockets. I agree alcohol is good in moderation, but that should not allow them to blanket us with twisting advertising that suggests the contrary.

You dont see the evil-plottings of these companies. They don't care. And they have grown too powerful from people's misery. Prevention is better than cure, so stop their main avenue. It WILL do something, just give it time. They can't screw the public for ever. And their power is sickening. They pulled one over the govt/opposition just a while back.
 
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25799098-421,00.html

Sporting groups cry foul over alcohol sponsorship ban

The Daily Telegraph

July 18, 2009 12:01am


* Plan would devastate sport, say codes
* Wouldn't make a dent on problem drinking
* Government tight-lipped on proposal

BANNING alcohol sponsorship and advertising would devastate sport and not make a dent on problem drinking, major sporting groups said yesterday.

The chiefs of Australia's biggest sports joined with alcohol companies in denouncing a plan to cut links between them by banning alcohol sponsorship and advertising at venues and on TV.

The plan - which could strip $300 million a year from codes - is the key recommendation of a report by the Prime Minister's National Preventative Health Task Force, The Daily Telegraph reports.

The Government was tight-lipped on the report yesterday but sports were quick to point out the wide-reaching impact of such a ban, including money drying up for junior sport.

"It would cripple football," AFL boss Andrew Demetriou said.

"Let's talk about how we can raise awareness and educate them on what's right and wrong about responsible drinking. Banning things doesn't solve these problems."

Cricket Australia said it would seek further details from the Government after being assured last year such a ban was not on the table.

"The danger with a simplistic approach like 'let's ban alcohol sponsorship of sport' is that all you do is significantly damage sport," CA spokesman Peter Young said.

Mr Young said alcohol sponsorship of sport was not the problem.

"If you go to Kings Cross at 3am and look at the drunken kids staggering around, they are not staggering around because they have seen an ad during a sports cast," he said.

Foster's group spokesman Troy Hey said removing exposure to alcohol ads would not solve any problems.

"The link between advertising and dangerous drinking is tenuous at best," Mr Hey said.

Diageo, the makers of Bundaberg Rum and Johnnie Walker, agreed.

"We use our sports sponsorships to deliver responsible drinking campaigns that help drive better behaviours," a spokeswoman said.

NRL boss David Gallop said sponsorship did not "grow on trees".

"Our sponsors do a great deal of work promoting positive messages about responsible drinking and anyone who suggests sports could simply replace their support without substantial financial hardship is mistaken," Mr Gallop said.

Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull said he would not support a ban on alcohol advertising.
 
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.....fair enough they are crying foul but they have 300 million worth of funding in it. I seem to remember a big cry back when smokes went.....wouldn't you cry out if you were going to lose a lot of money.

How selfish. hmmm refer to this below


how do you explain all the work done to ciggies over the years? Before the massive crackdown, it used to be that 40-50% of people smoked, now its less than 20%.

Winfeild cup? "Anyhow....have a winfield 25." Smoke companies are evil and they use dispicable advertising. They have a product which they know kills you, it smells bad, and people who dont use it wish to stay away from you and they know its addictive. Their weapon is perception and they used a message...."when you can't take anymore or if you're life isa great big bloody mess or you just can't hack it, dont worry about the mess your life is....have a smoke. You'll be fine. Your mood will improve."

Thats the message they rammed down your throat for years after they established the perception of ciggies being cool because James Dean and Brando, etc smoked back in the 50's and pre war too in movies. People were screwed twice by ciggie companies in a mass effort.

Never mind that a fitness activity like league was being stalked by an unhealthy killing machine like cirgarettes. Contradiction anyone? No one gave a rats because one they were being paid, and two, they were being paid! THREE because the public was none the wiser, it 'believed' the hype. Hell it probably just accepted ciggies as a fact of life. Never mind that they had been fricked over to fund the lavish lifestyles of guys who were effectively kill-doctors.

Advertisers always play on peoples weakness' and the removal of pain to provide pleasure is an old favourite. Companies were sitting around one day knowing they had a product that kills people and is fiercely addictive, cheap to make, but smelt bad and gave you bad breath. Someone had to came up with the idea of making cigarettes cool and useful; to do this they created a perception, played down negatives and added positives....dont like bad breath or get a sore throat? How about Menthol Cigarettes?

Now, do you want to be a slave to nicotine just because a company somewhere wants to make money so top execs can live in fancy houses and give their kids all the trimmings in life while you cough and splutter all your life wondering why your life sux?

People started to say dont let them free run to create their twisted perception that ciggies are cool and useful.

Alchohol is also a health hazzard, and can be a social one, and needs to be treated the same.

The industry is very powerful. The first loss in this fight was that we dont get warning labels on the bottles. The second could be that advertising is allowed to continue.

People who dont for one second believe that advertising makes a difference are wrong. It does. Over time they get the opportunity to lie to you and twist your perceptions. If we have learnt anything from smoking, its that, any drug, even social ones, used long-term are bad for you. Removing adverts will reduce a key avenue to this powerful industry that plays on peoples weakness' and leaves a significant social and health toll in its wake. If you don't think they sit in their offices working out how to frick you over, you're wrong. Like smoking, they dont care if the stuff kills you. They only want your money.

Everytime you see a beer add, you are watching the product of an evil industry with low morals who don't care about you, only your money; twisting perceptions in order to line their pockets. I agree alcohol is good in moderation, but that should not allow them to blanket us with twisting advertising that suggests the contrary.

You dont see the evil-plottings of these companies. They don't care. And they have grown too powerful from people's misery. Prevention is better than cure, so stop their main avenue. It WILL do something, just give it time. They can't screw the public for ever. And their power is sickening. They pulled one over the govt/opposition just a while back.

Who do they think they are kidding? How are you ever going to educate about drinking alchohol when the liquor companies are combating you with conflicting messages??? lol....who do these guys think they are kidding? It will be liquor industry advertising, say 500 million per year every year versus govt advertising, 20 million every few.

Some joint effort from the codes, must have been planned, they even had cricket on board.

But get lost. Dont believe the rubbish....I fully get that their livelyhoods are at stake and their lifestyles, and hell even footy clubs will take a hit, but no way, dont let them fool you - the sporting bodies or the liquor companies....their advertising needs to be removed. Get ready for a huge batch of excuses, but I think they already are losing the war....if not for ciggarettes in the 90's, they might win this one. Alchohol may not be physically addictive but the health problems remain, and the unscrupulous advertising techniques are appalling. Remove them.

After the whole alchopop thing turnbull turned around and gave the liquor industry massive concessions, as the oppositition held the balance of power on it...whats the bet turnbull has given them concessions and support in return for some support at the next election. i also believe turnbull did this to get up labors nose, as a pathetic warning to not mess with him or he can make them pay.....because by the countries score, we are not served at all by having alcopops waste our time and the opposition handing them money on a platter....thank god for xenaphon.....never trust politicians. For the country, those decisions made no sense. You had labor trying to take power and the opposition giving it back to them. But by then they had you thinking about other issues.

Never trust the govt completely. And dont trust the advertisers. Dont let them frick you and your kids over.
 
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/sm...1247337264025.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

Smaller codes big losers in alcohol ban

Binge-drinking footballers will cost sober basketballers, netballers and hockey players a big slice of their meagre contracts if the Federal Government accepts a taskforce recommendation to ban alcohol sponsorship of sport and advertising on television.

Non-alcohol sponsors, such as banks, soft drink companies, telcos and motor manufacturers, will simply migrate upwards from the second-tier sports to the dominant professional codes if the breweries, wine companies and distilleries can't sponsor NRL, AFL, cricket or the Wallabies.

The Olympic disciplines and mass-participation sports, such as netball, will suffer if their existing sponsors ditch them for the huge TV ratings associated with the big sports.

Wednesday night's State of Origin match generated the highest TV ratings ever for a dead rubber, with these big matches usually pulling in audiences normally associated with the deaths of Lady Di and Michael Jackson.

Advertisers lust after the eyeballs attracted to these TV spectacles, and broadcasters pay serious rights fees to the NRL, AFL and cricket to ensure they acquire the games for their networks.

Professor Michael Good, the chair of the National Health and Medical Research Council that advises the Federal Government on the implications of the latest research on health policy, has called for a ban on alcohol advertising and limits on alcohol sponsorship.

Every time a footballer binge-drinks and generates bad publicity through defecating in hotel corridors, urinating in public and being legless in shopping malls, it further justifies Good's demand that the Government act on his recommendations.

Should the NHRMC's recommendations be ratified, the footballer will suffer a cut in his salary because TV rights fees will decline, and sport will lose $300 million a year in sponsorship.

Between a quarter and a third of the $300m - $70m to $95m - is spent on big sponsorships: principally naming rights to a league (Carlton and the AFL), a series (VB and Australian cricket), a team (XXXX Queensland State of Origin) or a club (Tooheys and NSW country teams).

The four major professional sports in Australia - cricket, NRL, AFL and rugby union - each receive between $10m and $15m annually from alcohol sponsorships.

But the second-tier sports will suffer more as their sponsors move to the professional codes that generate the TV ratings.

When tobacco sponsorship was banned, sport copped a big hit because cigarette companies, excluded from advertising, paid top dollar for rugby league's Winfield Cup, cricket's Benson and Hedges series and AFL's Escort Cup.

At the time, Telstra sponsored the Australian men's and women's hockey teams. Today, Telstra sponsors the NRL, while hockey's main sponsor is the Australian Sports Commission, which, in turn, is sponsored by the Australian taxpayer. Ban alcohol sponsorship of sport and the trickle-down effect will punish the taxpayer.

Good's central argument is that the policy most closely associated with a decline in smoking was a ban on cigarette advertising, although many argue there were other more pursuasive factors in people quitting the lung-busters - education campaigns graphically illustrating the high health dangers, stiff penalties for the sale of tobacco to minors, bans on smoking in the workplace.

It's simplistic to equate smoking with alcohol consumption. There is no such thing as a safe level of smoking, whereas there are health benefits to moderate alcohol consumption, compared with abstinence. Binge-drinking is the problem.

Just as a ban on alcohol sponsorship won't severely affect a footballer's pay packet because of new sponsors filling the void, it won't stop him binge-drinking. With few exceptions, research into the impact of bans on alcohol advertising tends to indicate they have no effect on consumption or are even associated with an increase.

A study of 17 OECD countries with bans on alcohol advertising found "the empirical results do not support the notion that bans on broadcast advertising of alcoholic beverages will reduce consumption or alcohol abuse".

For example, Denmark has one of the highest intoxication rates among young people despite a broadcast ban - except for low-level alcohol drinks - as well as restrictions on print and outdoor advertising.

Surfing is the bellwether sport in Australia for alcohol bans. Years ago, the Association of Surfing Professionals, decided to reject tobacco sponsorship because it was inconsistent with its healthy image.

It accepted a sponsorship with Foster's for its worldwide tour.

Two years ago, with councils introducing bylaws banning alcohol on beaches, it became difficult for Foster's to gain leverage from its global sponsorship, and it withdrew.

Today, surfing doesn't have an umbrella sponsor and relies on the surfing-associated companies, such as Billabong, for 90 per cent of the ASP Tour costs.

Netball has just become quasi-professional, partly through a sponsorship with ANZ Bank. If the bank moved to sponsor, say, the Wallabies following the withdrawal of Test series naming-rights holder Bundaberg Rum, netball could be left with smaller sponsors, while the footballers would still be able to binge.
 
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this makes sense as everything turnbull does turns to dust.

I say it again, sorry sport, its a fact of life....you cant promote health and good choices on one hand and deliver death or bad health knowingly with the other.
 

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You are making the assumption that enjoying a beer or wine = death and addiction. The majority of the population enjoy a drink responsibly and with no negative health or social effects. Of course there are those that it effects negatively but they are MASSIVELY in the minority. Drink in moderation is not negative or damaging. This is the message we need to be sending not absistinence (which is never going to work with alcohol). Smoking is totally different. Alcohol is like fast food, nothing wrong with it in moderation and we should be sending this message not some moral unrealistic crusade (and as I said I am a helalth professional that has had to deal with plenty of alcohol related problems).
 

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When the banned cigarette sponsorship and adverstising in the 80's this was the same old catchcry raised by the cigarette lobby, there was talk of Cricket going broke etc. etc.

In the end the effect was less than minimal.

With ratings like those of the NRL and State of Origin, despite the GFC, League is not going to struggle to get a major sponsor.
 

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Alcohol isn't the problem. The problem is a change in culture where we don't look after our MATES anymore when they have too much to drink.

Nate Myles shouldn't be the bloke being named and shamed, it should be his mates that let him get into that state and left him high and dry.

Same way Matty Johns got left high and dry to wear the entire brunt of the gang bang fiasco.

Our changing cuture is the problem, not alcohol advertising.

The culture needs to be governed by Rudd and his croanies.
 

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Alcohol is a legal product, it's up to the individual to drink responsibly or not as they see fit. Advertising alcohol ain't gonna change peoples perceptions of it.

I've grown up with Tobacco advertising and never smoked in my life, never will. Seen as many alcohol adds as anyway and rarely have a drink and even then it's normally just one or two, and couldn't give a damn if I never touch an alcoholic drink or not again.

People are going to drink whether it's advertised or not. And people will drink excess whether it's advertised or not.
 

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Last time I checked, Marijuana, Ice and Ecstasy weren't allowed to be advertised either. The use of these substances would almost have to be as common as alcohol among today's young wouldn't it?
 

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Last time I checked, Marijuana, Ice and Ecstasy weren't allowed to be advertised either. The use of these substances would almost have to be as common as alcohol among today's young wouldn't it?

Not even close!
 

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Alcohol isn't the problem. The problem is a change in culture where we don't look after our MATES anymore when they have too much to drink.

Nate Myles shouldn't be the bloke being named and shamed, it should be his mates that let him get into that state and left him high and dry.

Same way Matty Johns got left high and dry to wear the entire brunt of the gang bang fiasco.

Our changing cuture is the problem, not alcohol advertising.

The culture needs to be governed by Rudd and his croanies.

To me this is everything thats wrong with today's culture.

"Its not my fault, its someone else' fault"

Enough of the victim mentality, its time for people to take personal responsibility for there OWN actions.
 

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To me this is everything thats wrong with today's culture.

"Its not my fault, its someone else' fault"

Enough of the victim mentality, its time for people to take personal responsibility for there OWN actions.

Have to disagree. When I was 18, I went out in a group and went home in a group. We watched each other's backs. It doesn't happen anymore. It's everyman for himself.

Remember the days when a car broke down on the road, 3 or 4 other drivers would stop within a few minutes and help push the thing off the road or try and get it going again. Doesn't happen anymore, everyone just blows their horns and drive on.

We do need to take responsibility for our own actions but we also need to have a look at the way we look after our mates.
 

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