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How to fix it...

leaguelover610

Juniors
Messages
92
We're all keen on bagging referees and saying so many people need to be sacked....very reactionary

With the speed of the game and the way rucks are controlled 2 ref will stay

But what us everyone's opinion on how to fix the game and more importantly who can fix it?
 

BranVan3000

Coach
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12,215
Captains challenge

Edit: I also expect in the next few decades, wearable tech, superior camer technology, body and ball sensors and AI could all make their way into replacing video refs - making things way more objective. I expect we will have to wait for bigger sports like NFL, NBA etc to do it first though
 
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Danish

Referee
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31,850
1) Sack the entire refereeing group, with the Sutton brothers, Archer, and anyone else whose been in a leadership role banned for life. All other refs will return to state leagues

2) Cancel these ridiculous annual rules committees, and burn every “interpretation change” they’ve come up with. The NRL will go back to being adjudicated by the international laws of the game, which are controlled by the RLIF

3) Go back to one referee, and ingoal refs. Video ref remains as an option, although with a challenge system instead which can be initiated by either the captain or coach. challenges must be indicated within a set time period after the disputed play occurs, and will be ruled on at the end of the current set or next stoppage in play

4) go to the QRL’s and NSWRL’s refereeing groups, and ask them to promote their best refs to adjudicate the NRL each week. These refs will remain under the control of their local leagues, with the money previously paid to NRL refs split evenly between the 2 state leagues and used to give referees at all levels a pay rise. Refs that get promoted to the NRL will receive a match payment and travel expenses
 

muzby

Village Idiot
Staff member
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45,711
How to fix it:

- 2017 version needed to be in one whole movie, so have the section where they return as adults

- The town of Derry felt a bit fake. Needed to be more lifelike.

- less focus on pennywise the clown and more focus as it in it’s other fear manifesting forms
 

Jimmy Clark

Juniors
Messages
159
Bring in Bill Harrigan, not sure of the role he’d play but at least he’s got common sense unlike all these other monkeys.
 

AlwaysGreen

Immortal
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47,911
Get rid of touch judges.

Do we really need 2 people telling us whether or where the ball or player went over the line in the modern game?

They never are able to tell when a winger scores in the corner and always get forward passes wrong.

Since the introduction of the 2nd ref and bunker they're no longer needed to assist the ref on reporting foul play.

Goal kick adjudication? Again, the 2 refs can easily rule on that.

How do you even get a job as a touch judge? Are they failed refs who aren't good enough to make it? Are they selected because they handle a flag well?

Get rid of them.
 

Danish

Referee
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31,850
Get rid of touch judges.

Do we really need 2 people telling us whether or where the ball or player went over the line in the modern game?

They never are able to tell when a winger scores in the corner and always get forward passes wrong.

Since the introduction of the 2nd ref and bunker they're no longer needed to assist the ref on reporting foul play.

Goal kick adjudication? Again, the 2 refs can easily rule on that.

How do you even get a job as a touch judge? Are they failed refs who aren't good enough to make it? Are they selected because they handle a flag well?

Get rid of them.

How would you propose the refs rule if a player or ball goes into touch in a non-try scoring situation (so no video review) if not with a touch judge?
 

Danish

Referee
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31,850
Use the bunker. It's the 21st century.

So you want to let play continue and then call on the bunker to review the sideline?

Practically that’s going to take 5-10 seconds at a bare minimum on every decision. We could be 2-3 tackles further down the road, have had a change in possession, or all sorts of other things in that time. It would be a mess.
 

AlwaysGreen

Immortal
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47,911
So you want to let play continue and then call on the bunker to review the sideline?

Practically that’s going to take 5-10 seconds at a bare minimum on every decision. We could be 2-3 tackles further down the road, have had a change in possession, or all sorts of other things in that time. It would be a mess.
You're probably right.

I just think touch judges are the biggest waste of space in the game.
 

Danish

Referee
Messages
31,850
You're probably right.

I just think touch judges are the biggest waste of space in the game.

I can understand why you would be thinking that after last night, but practically having a line runner is necessary so the game can flow.

They are still complete goobers though
 
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Hollywood bIll started the rot years ago
.His style of reffing ..make a decision .dont argue get on with the game was great.
His Idea that "coaching" the players on field ( you're off ...stay out of it blah blah) had merit to keep penalties down & keep the game flowing .
But that has led to refs now too busy doing the same .
Just ref the game
If someone's offside penalise them .
They will soon learn...I did in under7s.

The bullshit of evening up the penalties & having KPIs is beyond stupid .

Just ref what's in front of you .

We've had pommy refs come out here for tests .
Ref the game as they saw it .
Was great ...yes there were a few little things that could have Earnt a penalty ...but it happened to both sides .
The game just flowed .
One man ...
It works in the Intrust cup ..
 

The Great Dane

First Grade
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7,767
1) Sack the entire refereeing group, with the Sutton brothers, Archer, and anyone else whose been in a leadership role banned for life. All other refs will return to state leagues

2) Cancel these ridiculous annual rules committees, and burn every “interpretation change” they’ve come up with. The NRL will go back to being adjudicated by the international laws of the game, which are controlled by the RLIF

3) Go back to one referee, and ingoal refs. Video ref remains as an option, although with a challenge system instead which can be initiated by either the captain or coach. challenges must be indicated within a set time period after the disputed play occurs, and will be ruled on at the end of the current set or next stoppage in play

4) go to the QRL’s and NSWRL’s refereeing groups, and ask them to promote their best refs to adjudicate the NRL each week. These refs will remain under the control of their local leagues, with the money previously paid to NRL refs split evenly between the 2 state leagues and used to give referees at all levels a pay rise. Refs that get promoted to the NRL will receive a match payment and travel expenses

As an addendum to this-

5) Demolish the whole concept of "game management". The refs are there to adjudicate the game not to manage the spectacle of it and this idea of game management is basically the soul cause of all of the lack of consistency in refs calls in a game. Sure we'll probably get some dud games for a few weeks with the refs letting nothing go, but after a little while the players and coaches will learn that there's a new sheriff in town and will clean their game up.

6) Go through the rule book and remove every rule that contradicts another rule, e.g. loose carry, dominant tackle, etc, get rid of them as not only do they contradict other rules they just cause confusion and are extremely subjective. They are a grey area when we should be aiming for black and white.

7) At the same time that you're getting rid of the contradictory rules re-word or replace any rule that requires an degree of interpretation and replace it with a black and white ruling. Broadly speaking this has already been done by the NRL, like in the case of obstruction where for a little while there every ref played the rule differently until they came up with a black and white universal way of ruling it (that was completely different to how it had been interpenetrated for 50-60+ years, but still it was an improvement), but there're other examples of this causing problems e.g. what constitutes offside is a good example as some refs like to stand ten meters back at the play the ball with the players behind them being onside, and others like to stand 13 or so meters back with the players in-front of them at roughly the 10 meter mark so they can see them all. The point is streamline all that shit, and make it very clear how it is to be interpenetrated.

8) People are probably not going to like this one, but grant Geoff Toovey's wish... Have a complete investigation of all the current refs bank accounts details and their betting accounts, etc, cause though I'm not suggesting that any particular game is or was fixed it would be incredibly easy for a ref/refs to fix a game in the current circumstances of the NRL and for nobody to blink an eyelid when it's happened. While doing that introduce rules that the NRL has the right to access refs and other officials financial information (and other relevant stuff as well) just like they do with the players to keep them honest. It's sad that we are at that point, but we are at that point where we have no choice but to make sure that we actually can say for certain that some of the goings on in the game have been because of incompetence and not by design.
 

T-Boon

Coach
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15,289
Overall the refs are great and better than they have ever been.

There are two big problems:

1. The coaching and resulting game play. They refuse to take risks and create opportunities therefore making referees decisions on penalties the main way opportunities are created in the game.
Solution: reduce the punishment for a penalty. You get a kick for touch but not a restart to the tackle count or vice versa.

2. The ten metres (n addition to allowing coaches to play very conservative) makes the ruck bullshit too important which makes the refs job so much harder.
Solution: do something about the ten metres. Either go back to 5 meters or have a 2 tiered line.
 

no name

Coach
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19,174
Yeah there was just no ref whinging pre video ref. Nada. None.
I think people are more understanding of errors when decisions are made in a split second with one (sometimes obstructed) view than they are of blokes watching 37 replays and still f**king it up.
 
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