ICC CHAMPIONS TROPHY- Group A: England v Australia at Birmingham Jun 10, 2017 - ENGLAND WON

[JJ]

The only thing comforting me is knowing that NZ actually lost to them

indeed - rain didn't save us unfortunately

 

[Tommy Smith]

England the Minnow Bashers.

Be interesting to see if we can do it now in the semis against the top sides.

 

[Twizzle]

can some one explain to me what Wade was trying to do, other than get out

 

[AlwaysGreen]

It's not about the batting or keeping with Wadey it's what he does verbally.


Or orally.

 

[Eelectrica]

England did to us, what we used to do to other teams.
If Wade is the answer at keeper, someone asked the wrong question. He has to be done now. Different game if he catches Morgan. Probably, Stokes has elevated his game to a whole new level.

The way Morgan played is how Lynn can play if given the chance, we need that. He's going to have failures, but needs to be given a good chance in the team.
Hopefully with this beat down the selectors get the message.

 

[hineyrulz]

Pick a shit team and we get what we deserve.

How Wade is continually picked is beyond me, Moises is not a top 6 quality international bat. Neither is Maxwell. Too many bits and pieces players. It's like we are England from the 90's.

 

[Bazal]

Can't really say the Champions Trophy is a tournament I care all that much about...cared more about beating England than progressing tbh...but it's pretty poor to miss out essentially thanks to rain

 

[undertaker]

Can't really say the Champions Trophy is a tournament I care all that much about...cared more about beating England than progressing tbh...but it's pretty poor to miss out essentially thanks to rain

I have said this before, but the Champions Trophy is nothing other than a shortened, bastardized version of the World Cup. It's a joke the World Cup in a couple of years will only have a couple more teams, essentially making it an extended, round-robin version of the Champions Trophy in the same country.

Anyway, with Australia's early exit, hopefully this whole pay dispute with CA will be sorted out ASAP.

Pick a spinner. The team who wins the next world cup will have a spinner in their side not 3 pacemen and a few others who can bat a little bit and roll their arms over occasionally.

If we could exchange Adam Zampa or Glen Maxwell for a front-line spinner from another country, Rashid Khan....COME ON DOWN!

 

[undertaker]

Pick a shit team and we get what we deserve.

How Wade is continually picked is beyond me, Moises is not a top 6 quality international bat. Neither is Maxwell. Too many bits and pieces players. It's like we are England from the 90's.

Banged it on the head re: Wade's continual selection, and Moises batting at #4. I don't know who is responsible for the team selections, but several of them over the past year or so remain a lot to be desired.

In addition, John Hastings was very unlucky to be dropped after that first game. I was very critical of him during his first stint in the Australian side (and especially during his only test in 2012, where he only bowled one good ball that was to dismiss AB De Villiers), but since he got back into the side in 2015, his bowling has improved tremendously. He has the variation in the pace that has troubled batsmen in the past, something that has been lost in the ODI format since the days of Gavin Larsen, Ian Harvey etc. I would've had Hastings as a bowler in place of Cummins.

Chris Lynn not getting a game is an absolute joke. To have someone with the explosive potential of piling on runs and taking complete control of the game right from the get-go (the closest equivalent we've had since Gilchrist retired) just warming the bench is a waste. Would much prefer to pick a specialised batsman rather than players masquerading as 'all-rounders' (e.g. Henriques, Mitchell Marsh et al.)

I know Steve Smith has only been in the captaincy role for a couple of years and he's only 28, but the ultra-conservative tactics he's displayed at times is very reminiscent of Ricky Ponting's captaincy and is something I'm concerned about.

 

[Das Gupta]

Someone needs to shave Zampa's head in his sleep.

 

[Das Gupta]

Well done Australia you can now join us for part of the flight home.
Our exits in a tournament most care little about.

 

[Bazal]

I can't agree that Smith is reminiscent of Ponting. He is too conservative and predictable and I often don't agree with much of what he does but you can see tactically what he's thinking. Punter was tactically inept....

 

[TheParraboy]

35 wickets @ 27.89 from 22 ODIs. Much better than Henriques "all-rounder" stats.

Head and Zampa bowling in tandem could build some pressure and stop the flow of runs. Morgan/Stokes have really used the pace of Starc/Cummins to full advantage.

Morgan and Stokes are left handers

Let me explain

After the Bangladesh no result game Ian Bishop interviewed both captains. Steve Smith got one of these viewer questions they get. Question was "Why didn't you bring on Zampa on earlier for a bowl?". The reply by Smithy was along the lines "They had two left handed batsman at the crease, once one of them got out and a right hander came in I brought Zampa on straight away where he is more effective being a leggie"

All I can think of, Zampas 35 wickets last year were all right handers, and he must have gotten carted by every left handed batsmen. In all seriousness surely they must have done their stats on this and not bowling him against lefties is seen as some kind of .........strength??

I don't know, surely bring him on for an over or two to see how he goes rather than let batsmen settle in, regardless left or right

 

[TheParraboy]

Just on the keeping, who do we replace Wade with?
(with a view to the 2019 world cup)

Sam Whiteman?

Peter Neville? He is still young enough he will be 33 by then

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Lol for some reason it makes me happy seeing these overrated donkeys lose,guess i am unaustralian

 

[69-05-41]

Is Noses the next Twatson? Aged 30 and only Zampa has a worse ODI batting average. As a bowler only Finch and Head have marginally worse averages. Noses makes Twatson look like a Bradman/Lillee hybrid.

 

[hineyrulz]

Just on the keeping, who do we replace Wade with?
(with a view to the 2019 world cup)

Sam Whiteman?

Peter Neville? He is still young enough he will be 33 by then

A partially blind one armed man would still be an upgrade on the gimp in there now.

 

[Eelectrica]

Just on the keeping, who do we replace Wade with?
(with a view to the 2019 world cup)

A trashcan?

But yeah probably Whiteman if he can continue on. The bloke can bat and score runs quickly if the BBL is any indication. He seem good behind the stumps.
Neville is solid with bat, but if this series any indication, we need more out of the bat from the Keeper than being solid.
Peter Handscombe maybe, even though he's more a fill in keeper.
Jimmy Pierson is good with the bat, but I think I've seen him have some not so great moments behind the stumps as well.
Ben Dunk maybe.

Either way the selectors have to give some of these guys a go behind the stumps and see who comes out on top. Wade needs to be dropped, preferably off a cliff, but I'm told that's a bit extreme.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Morgan and Stokes are left handers

Let me explain

After the Bangladesh no result game Ian Bishop interviewed both captains. Steve Smith got one of these viewer questions they get. Question was "Why didn't you bring on Zampa on earlier for a bowl?". The reply by Smithy was along the lines "They had two left handed batsman at the crease, once one of them got out and a right hander came in I brought Zampa on straight away where he is more effective being a leggie"

All I can think of, Zampas 35 wickets last year were all right handers, and he must have gotten carted by every left handed batsmen. In all seriousness surely they must have done their stats on this and not bowling him against lefties is seen as some kind of .........strength??

I don't know, surely bring him on for an over or two to see how he goes rather than let batsmen settle in, regardless left or right

If a leg spinner can't bowl to a left hander than they should be shot. I also think there is far too much analysis in the game. Too many times these days gut instinct is replaced by some bloke on a computer compiling stats.

 

[TheParraboy]

Is Noses the next Twatson? Aged 30 and only Zampa has a worse ODI batting average. As a bowler only Finch and Head have marginally worse averages. Noses makes Twatson look like a Bradman/Lillee hybrid.

Cant compare Moses to Watto, chalk and cheese really

Watson was a brilliant ODI all rounder, just couldn't transfer that brilliance into the test arena
In his prime he was one of our best opening ODI batsman who could bowl decent 10 overs almost like a front line bowler. Grooming Travis Head into this kind of role may be our closest thing