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siv

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After watching how too many U20s players struggle play in NSW Cup - I believe we need a U22 (or old U23) grade to better develop players
 

WaznTheGreat

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I think if under 20s players are struggling in NSW Cup it means there simply not good enough and that no comp will help them

Brad Fitler,Ben Ikin and Jarryd Hayne played Origin when they were 8 years old and Michael Chang won a French Open when he was 6 years old so i don't see there age as an excuse for there plodding ways.

A donkey is a donkey no matter how old they are
 
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After watching how too many U20s players struggle play in NSW Cup - I believe we need a U22 (or old U23) grade to better develop players

That is why they are doing away with a national u/20s competition, as too many players feel they should jump straight from Holden Cup to first grade, and many of them are not ready. Either they have not reached physical maturity, or they need to work further on their skills or the like.

If they are not cutting it in NSW Cup, then bringing in an U/23 comp won't help them. The whole idea is they want players to go U/20s->NSW/Qld Cup->NRL so that by the time they get to NRL level they are ready, both physically and mentally. Some players will be good enough to go straight from U/20s to NRL level, but they will be few in number.
 

adamkungl

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After watching how too many U20s players struggle play in NSW Cup - I believe we need a U22 (or old U23) grade to better develop players

Only the best 20s players should make Grade.

The rest of them are rightfully destined for park footy, or France.
 

siv

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Your all quoting u20 superstars

There are a lot of others that are needed for rest of the team

I see too many u20s go up to RG get injured and spend half the season on the sidelines

Or others get cut when you can see they can make it but need another 12 months to grow or put on muscle mass
 

Front-Rower

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The way 20's were implemented was wrong and was always going to end in tears. Though it's funny that Phil Gould campaigned so hard for this concept that he now has campaigned to kill it off.
 

The Engineers Room

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Does anybody else remember that in the first year the NRL team would keep two U20's players on the bench that could be used as a free replacement if a player was injured and couldn't return?

I do not believe anyone ever used it...
 

Canard

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Does anybody else remember that in the first year the NRL team would keep two U20's players on the bench that could be used as a free replacement if a player was injured and couldn't return?

I do not believe anyone ever used it...

I dont recall that at all.
 

adamkungl

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The way 20's were implemented was wrong and was always going to end in tears. Though it's funny that Phil Gould campaigned so hard for this concept that he now has campaigned to kill it off.

Gould is 100% against killing off the 20s
 

siv

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Penrith were the first club under Richo to try and outsource their RG operation to St Marys and then tried again with Windsor

It was dumped and returned to a FG-RG-U20s operation
 

Big Pete

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The truth of the matter is, the NRL doesn't care about the NYC. When it was first pitched, it seemed like the idea had legs and would provide the competition with a more consistent approach to junior development. However, it was clear early on there were problems and tweaks had to be made to ensure it's future. Instead of making these changes, the NRL usually used the NYC as a guinea pig to test ideas that they would never end up using, even though the experiments showed potential (on-field challenge system being a good example).

The only change that was made was banning any under 18 year olds from playing first grade. That was a smart move but why did it have to stop there? Why didn't the NRL considering increasing the age to 21 so teams weren't constantly going through cycles? Why did it take so long for their official website to keep track of stats? Why did a bunch of fans have to put together websites to keep track of the competition so others could have some sense of what was going on? The coverage was borderline non-existent and only Sky Sports showed any nous by broadcasting every Warriors NYC game on their station. What could have been extra incentive to get fans to the game was completely lost in favour of...?

The worst casualty was the NSW Cup. By introducing a new competition and devoting all these resources to a new competition, clubs had to cut corners in other departments. The NSW Cup being one of them, and the way clubs had to scrimp and save (even having forced mergers with other NRL clubs) just to field a side was insanity. The situation has improved over time as clubs have been able to adjust, but it just makes you wonder how many young talented players gave the game up because they took one look at this grade and thought better of it.
 
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The are 2 problems with the U20s. The first being it should have been set up as an apprenticeship type deal but the kids going into it thought themselves superstars.
The second is that it too much about players that have been big since they were 13 and not necessarily good footballers.

There needs to be a sensible pathway, enabling last developers an opportunity instead of discarding them at 16
 
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Cockadoodledoo

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The truth of the matter is, the NRL doesn't care about the NYC. When it was first pitched, it seemed like the idea had legs and would provide the competition with a more consistent approach to junior development. However, it was clear early on there were problems and tweaks had to be made to ensure it's future. Instead of making these changes, the NRL usually used the NYC as a guinea pig to test ideas that they would never end up using, even though the experiments showed potential (on-field challenge system being a good example).

The only change that was made was banning any under 18 year olds from playing first grade. That was a smart move but why did it have to stop there? Why didn't the NRL considering increasing the age to 21 so teams weren't constantly going through cycles? Why did it take so long for their official website to keep track of stats? Why did a bunch of fans have to put together websites to keep track of the competition so others could have some sense of what was going on? The coverage was borderline non-existent and only Sky Sports showed any nous by broadcasting every Warriors NYC game on their station. What could have been extra incentive to get fans to the game was completely lost in favour of...?

The worst casualty was the NSW Cup. By introducing a new competition and devoting all these resources to a new competition, clubs had to cut corners in other departments. The NSW Cup being one of them, and the way clubs had to scrimp and save (even having forced mergers with other NRL clubs) just to field a side was insanity. The situation has improved over time as clubs have been able to adjust, but it just makes you wonder how many young talented players gave the game up because they took one look at this grade and thought better of it.

The NRL management only have one thing on their mind and that is cutting costs. They are only interested in the NRL as that brings in the most revenue. They have no interest in the other levels of the game.
 

siv

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You have wonder why the RLPA doesnt have non NRL player members ?

When there are 1000s of non NRL elite level players
 

simmo05

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The are 2 problems with the U20s. The first being it should have been set up as an apprenticeship type deal but the kids going into it thought themselves superstars.
The second is that it too much about players that have been big since they were 13 and not necessarily good footballers.

There needs to be a sensible pathway, enabling last developers an opportunity instead of discarding them at 16
2nd paragraph, one of the main problems of the nrl.
 
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