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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

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You're a kiwi living in NZ your whole life, do you have this article?

SportsInsider: How Joe Biden cost NZ a second NRL team https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/ru...indo-pacific-ties/JXMATZMJUZGPFBP3FIWYJ7RH3M/

Indeed I do. Nothing that hasnt already been discussed around here though, except maybe for Chalmers and Michael Searle joining one of the SI bids.

Hopes of a second NRL franchise based in New Zealand by 2026 have been dashed by a politically motivated decision to go to Papua New Guinea; the Warriors have fallen into a hole at the wrong time after being tipped to feature in an expanded Las Vegas 2025 season-opener; and the All Blacks remain the No 1 brand in rugby.

Yesterday, Sports Insider revealed how hopes of entering a second team from New Zealand in the NRL were quashed in favour of Papua New Guinea - as US President Joe Biden’s White House tries to block the influence of China in the South Pacific.

The entry of a PNG team in the NRL, expected by 2030, is part of a diplomatic strategy against China between the United States and Australia.

If you think making a sporting expansion on the basis that it helps counter China’s influence in the region is one of the daftest things you’ve heard, join the club.

There don’t appear to be many within the Australian rugby league community who think it’s a good idea either.

There are sceptics around the mooted franchise’s likely competitiveness. Whispers are the team will train and live in Cairns, Queensland, and fly to Port Moresby for home matches only. The PNG locals are unlikely to care and will still turn up in droves.

The squad will also likely be packed with journeymen squeezing out one last big pay-day. Again, the PNG fans probably won’t care.

Pundits across the Tasman, including coaches and former players, are increasingly arguing Christchurch is a better bet. They include former player turned TV star Matty Johns and other ex-Kangaroo test players and commentating identities Laurie Daley and Corey Parker.

But it will fall on deaf ears because the guaranteed funding ensures Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’Landys won’t have to pay for his next franchise but is still neatly provided with an extra game per week and leverage for his next big media rights negotiation in 2027.

In other words, the economics work at an opportune time and NRL head office wins influence in the highest echelons of the Australian Government (which will actually be funding the new franchise... go figure).

Expansion to 20 teams is on the NRL’s radar but not until 2030 at the earliest, which means Biden’s recent actions indirectly set back any New Zealand bid’s hopes for at least three years.

That’s a blow for the two Christchurch-based campaigns.

I’ve always felt 2030 is a more realistic lead-in for a second Kiwi side saddling up alongside the Warriors anyway. It also allows more time for potential to explore a second Auckland-based team which could have higher commercial appeal.

Controversial Orcas founder Andrew Chalmers joins South Island bid - but is it a good move?

A suspicion that PNG would always be favoured ahead of the South Island for the next expansion round hasn’t stopped the two rival syndicates in the Mainland from keeping busy.

The South Island Kea, headed by former New Zealand Rugby and NRL boss David Moffett, is steadily banging away behind the scenes and last week the first consortium out of the blocks, the “South Island NRL bid”, announced bolstered resources and manpower.

That bid, led by former Canterbury league chair Tony Kidd, announced on social media that Gold Coast-based businessman Michael Searle had joined its team. Former New Zealand Rugby League chair Andrew Chalmers is on the team too.

Sports Insider has confirmed Chalmers represented the bid in at least two meetings and appears to have come on board in a tandem deal with Searle, a former part-owner of the Gold Coast Titans.

Moffett confirmed Chalmers had approached him as representing his rival contender but wouldn’t elaborate on what was discussed.

This is significant as Chalmers was the driving force behind the Wellington-based Orcas franchise bid several years ago which failed to land the 17th NRL licence ultimately taken by Brisbane’s Redcliffe Dolphins, who entered the competition last year.

It seems to formally signify the end of the ill-fated Orcas campaign, which Chalmers drove after exiting ownership of former English Super League club Bradford Bulls.

While under his leadership the team saw some initial success on the field, but his ownership reign was turbulent (as was his leadership period at the NZRL from 2006 to 2008). In 2019, the club changed hands again, with £500,000 ($1 million) debt, without a home stadium and losing key players.

In a statement issued following his departure from the Bulls in 2019, rival club owner, Hull Kingston Rovers’ Neil Hudgell, claimed Chalmers was “rugby league’s No 1 delusional fantasist”.

The forestry company of which he was a key director was also tied up in controversy and legal action in 2015 over a $1.7m class action.

Searle also has a colourful and controversial background.

He was one of the founders of the Gold Coast Titans NRL club and was also its first CEO. He stepped aside from the latter role in 2012 after the club got into financial strife and was also a central figure in a controversial charity scheme, Titans 4 Tomorrow, whose offices ended up being raided by Australian Federal Police.

A three-year investigation followed, ending in a trail of debt and a top-level administrator jailed for fraud.

The NRL ultimately took the Titans’ licence off Searle and his ownership group.

The roles and responsibilities of Chalmers and Searle are not yet publicly known. Both are unlikely to be cash investors. Are they going to have an ongoing role if the bid is successful?

Sports Insider emailed Kidd seeking elaboration on the duo’s involvement.

He replied: “We’ve nothing to say at this stage as we’re tying up a few loose ends. We have some exciting things happening around our naming and branding process in the near future that I’d be happy to talk about in a week or so.”

The sudden appearance of Chalmers and Searle and exactly what their roles would be within the Kidd-driven consortium will divide some within important league communities on both sides of the Tasman. I’m not sure it’s a positive.

Warriors get inside running for Las Vegas 2025 appearance

Speaking of the NRL and its American links, the Warriors were recently tipped as one of the four teams that will be included on next year’s Las Vegas opening-round billing.

The Sydney Morning Herald reported that reigning three-time NRL premiers Penrith Panthers and the Warriors are favoured to be among the four teams selected to open the season at Allegiant Stadium after this year’s successful double-header.

The NRL could be favouring the Warriors as part of what looks like a ploy to convince American viewers of the game’s international appeal.

English Super League clubs Wigan and Warrington, both owned by the same billionaire, have contacted the NRL seeking to play each other in an expanded weekend league extravaganza.

That would allow the NRL to promote Australian, New Zealand and English involvement.

The NRL has also confirmed there will almost certainly be a women’s game added to the Vegas round.

But the Warriors’ bid to secure a start ahead of other NRL rivals is not being helped by the form slump they’re currently enduring. Decisions are about to be made and the Warriors falling in a hole will not endear them to the ultimate decision-makers.
 
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Had to split due to character limit, but here's the rest:

All Blacks are still the No 1 brand in world rugby

A rare piece of good news for New Zealand Rugby during a challenging year: the All Blacks are still the most valuable brand in rugby.

The men in black have topped the rugby sector in independent brand valuator BrandFinance.com’s annual report, considered a credible barometer globally.

Any concern that the men in black were in danger of losing that lofty perch given the Springboks have now won the last two Rugby World Cups can be dismissed.

The UK-based company placed a brand value of US$282m ($473m) on the All Blacks - that’s a 53 per cent increase since 2019 despite two unsuccessful World Cup campaigns.

After measuring the strength of international rugby brands using various metrics including social-media performance, heritage and business performance from revenues generated by sponsorship and merchandising, the All Blacks topped the pack at a score of 88.9 out of 100.

Hugo Hensley, head of sports services at Brand Finance, observed that “national rugby brands are more than just teams” and that the All Blacks’ heritage had put them in good stead.

Second on the list was England at a brand value of US$264m, but more for their wallet than on-field performance with the report noting the Poms “boast the highest total revenue of all national rugby brands”.

World Cup hosts France climbed to third place (US$159m) off the back of pre-event excitement for last year’s tournament and the team’s strong performances leading up to the event.

While vanquished by the All Blacks in the quarter-finals, Ireland’s recent test-winning streak helped them bump Wales from the top four with a US$150m brand value.

If you wondering where the Springboks sit after back-to-back World Cup triumphs, they are sixth at US$117m. Australia maintained seventh place with Scotland replacing Japan in eighth place and Italy rounding out the top 10.

Team of the Week

The Magnificent Sevens: New Zealand’s men’s and women’s sevens teams backed up their Hong Kong double with a repeat feat in Singapore. Don’t whisper it too loud but both are now favourites for gold at the Paris Olympics in July.

Joey Manu: Soon to become one of the world’s highest-paid rugby players, the Hamilton-born league superstar hasn’t forgotten his Cook Islands heritage. As a parting gift for league, he has organised for his club the Sydney Roosters to partner with the Cook Islands Rugby League to provide free coverage of their NRL matches.

Lando Norris: From his face being wrapped in bandages after a drunken night on a boat to winning his first Grand Prix in 110 starts, Lando Norris is the King of Miami after finally breaking his F1 duck.
 

Matua

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since none of the kiwi “league” fans could answer my question that I asked twice

this explains his poor form

he should just be rested

someone told me this a week ago in the gym
We discuss SJ's form in a specific thread on the Warriors and NZRL part of the forum. Why would we discuss it on a shitfighting thread?
 

final say

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We discuss SJ's form in a specific thread on the Warriors and NZRL part of the forum. Why would we discuss it on a shitfighting thread?
Read an article today that said he's coming good this week . And now they have the Roosters and Penrith... it's going to be a hopeful late season charge from the Warriors. They still have a bye and Origin period should help along with some troops returning but a tough couple of weeks first.
 

Wb1234

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It was answered.

And do you know how your gym buddy gave you this massive scoop? Because it was reported 2 weeks ago.

If you followed NZ league news as religiously as you follow NZ union news you’d have beaten him to it.
So it was reported two weeks ago and yet you didn’t know the answer when I asked twice

says a lot when random gym guys know more than “league” fans who follow that team

you should’ve told Martin Devin he didn’t know either
 
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Read an article today that said he's coming good this week . And now they have the Roosters and Penrith... it's going to be a hopeful late season charge from the Warriors. They still have a bye and Origin period should help along with some troops returning but a tough couple of weeks first.
Havent seen that... some much needed good news if so. We were just discussing in our SJ thread that alternatives are thin without Metcalf and Harris-Tavita.

Re: next few weeks - got Dolphins after Penrith so could be a tough 3 weeks before we head into the bye
 

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Havent seen that... some much needed good news if so. We were just discussing in our SJ thread that alternatives are thin without Metcalf and Harris-Tavita.

Re: next few weeks - got Dolphins after Penrith so could be a tough 3 weeks before we head into the bye
Dolphins are very beatable, they've had a lucky run of playing sides when they've been in a form slump.
 

Matiunz

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So it was reported two weeks ago and yet you didn’t know the answer when I asked twice

says a lot when random gym guys know more than “league” fans who follow that team

you should’ve told Martin Devin he didn’t know either
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titoelcolombiano

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Let's see if you can discuss this anymore civilly and rationally than the two loons who have liked your post?

A kid makes a commitment to a school sports team, that team plays 15 games a year. The kid then also makes a commitment to a pro league team and that requires him to miss 5 of those games a year. Do you not think that a school can insist a student honours the commitment to the team and teammates? It's quite simple, if a kid wants to play league only then don't play rugby, and especially don't go to the biggest rugby school in the country. But if they want to play rugby they need to realise they might not be able to have their cake and eat it too.

For a bit of context last year Hamilton Boys allowed players time off from rugby for league so I assume they made the policy change this year likely due to similar reasons as the commitment I outlined above. Caelys-Paul Putoko who is with the Titans was one of the players let off for league commitments last year, he was also eligible for NZ Schools (rugby) selection even though he signed for league.
I get what you are saying re: commitment to their team. But you don't see RL actively banning or pressuring players. It is a tactics that seems fairly common in RU both historically and in modern times it seems.
 

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I get what you are saying re: commitment to their team. But you don't see RL actively banning or pressuring players. It is a tactics that seems fairly common in RU both historically and in modern times it seems.
That's extremely naive. I think one of the Oz posters on here even listed some Oz schools where students would not be allowed to play rugby.

Also, we have no evidence outside of an opinion column that anyone was "banned", and I gave you a clear example from the same school, last year where the student was able to miss matches, play league and still play for NZ schools rugby team. I

If that school, which is the best rugby school in the country, has changed their requirements to have their players honour their commitment to the team, then that really isn't the evil this thread is making it out to be. Here's a few options, go to a league school, or if you want to go to a rugby school but can't commit 100% to the team then don't sign up for the team and just play league.
 

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I get what you are saying re: commitment to their team. But you don't see RL actively banning or pressuring players. It is a tactics that seems fairly common in RU both historically and in modern times it seems.
Its not about missing games for the school

the school said if they picked league they are ineligible for the first 15
 

cinders7

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I get what you are saying re: commitment to their team. But you don't see RL actively banning or pressuring players. It is a tactics that seems fairly common in RU both historically and in modern times it seems.
It takes a special kind to troll to try and downplay or even deny Union's actions all over the world for the past 120 years...

It's never worth engaging in their bad faith arguments as they'll just go in circles and waste your time. Ignore them.
 

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That's extremely naive. I think one of the Oz posters on here even listed some Oz schools where students would not be allowed to play rugby.

Also, we have no evidence outside of an opinion column that anyone was "banned", and I gave you a clear example from the same school, last year where the student was able to miss matches, play league and still play for NZ schools rugby team. I

If that school, which is the best rugby school in the country, has changed their requirements to have their players honour their commitment to the team, then that really isn't the evil this thread is making it out to be. Here's a few options, go to a league school, or if you want to go to a rugby school but can't commit 100% to the team then don't sign up for the team and just play league.
Your posts never match your " I like both sports equally " statements. If you did, you'd be as appalled by these actions regardless of them being Union or League.. yet here you are riding to the defence of Union..

Union school punishes kids who play League.
The thing is, none of us are the least bit surprised! Not in the slightest!
We know it's far worse than that.
But these articles only offer encouragement for others to speak out and getting this stuff out in the open will stamp it out.
League is moving fast and the backroom bullying tactics won't work anymore and this is just another slip of Union losing its foothold.
 

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