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I think they may win most of them Barry. Nobody is arguing that. Their resources and funding however, are far greater the we could ever dream off. So, they should win. Some of these games still, have been awful to watch. It doesn' t mean the standard is that much better.
Mooy is killing it at Hudersfield. We always knew he was class. The Championship is clearly a step below what he is truly capable of.

Sure, Suity. I agree re entertainment value. it's just hard to line up when teams are playing against defences that are manifestly poorer or at least less consistent. Entertainment is as much about balance across def and attack as it about quality.
 

hybrideel

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It's hard to constantly get entertainment value when there are so many mismatched games due to the rich club/poor club no salary cap scenario
 

Twizzle

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and depth,

Melb City are gonna be hard to beat this year thanks to the mother club
 

phantom eel

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We'd have to be better than the Scandinavian leagues. A couple of our guys are playing in Norway. The only upside for them is that they get the chance to play in the UEFA Champions League and garner attention from big European clubs.
Another upside for them is that they earn more.

The FFA seems to have been pulling the chain in making the A-League sustainable enough to provide higher salary opportunities for the many domestic players that choose to head elsewhere.
 

phantom eel

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I think the standard of the A-League is clearly better than it was even five years ago. Smart overseas recruiting has been the key. It's making the local players better.
And the key indicator for when the A-League has "made it" is when the recruitment goes in reverse - when overseas clubs actively scout and sign up the domestic A-League players - not those who were identified early and signe dto development deals in their teens - just like the A-League clubs do with their smart overseas recruiting from better leagues.

A League still has more than its fair share of plodworthy games, and there's only so much that #atmosphere can do to cover that up.
 

Poupou Escobar

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And the key indicator for when the A-League has "made it" is when the recruitment goes in reverse - when overseas clubs actively scout and sign up the domestic A-League players - not those who were identified early and signe dto development deals in their teens - just like the A-League clubs do with their smart overseas recruiting from better leagues.
They do already.

A League still has more than its fair share of plodworthy games, and there's only so much that #atmosphere can do to cover that up.
I think the relative lack of foregone conclusions makes the A-League exciting.
 

Avenger

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The A League has definitely improved and is a viable alternative to Cricket. As long as Sydney FC keep playing those crazy but talented Serbs and the Wanderers keep denying them the A League will always have my interest.
 

Happy MEel

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The A League has definitely improved and is a viable alternative to Cricket. As long as Sydney FC keep playing those crazy but talented Serbs and the Wanderers keep denying them the A League will always have my interest.
Wash your mouth out with soap!!!
 

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1995 Olyroos team on tour stumble on public beheading ceremony in Saudi Arabia town square
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JAMIE PANDARAM, The Sunday Telegraph
September 25, 2016 5:00am
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IT’S THE image that never leaves you. Mark Babic, the former Olyroos and Socceroos defender, is recounting one of the most horrific incidents seen by an Australian sporting side.

Twenty-one years later, the shimmer of the razor-sharp sword glistening in the sun, the eight men kneeling with heads bowed, the swiftness of the executioner’s strike, the heads rolling away, are as vivid now as that hot August day in Taif, Saudi Arabia.

The Olyroos were playing a friendly there in 1995 as part of their Atlanta Olympics campaign, and on a day off many players decided to explore the streets.

Inadvertently, they stumbled upon the public beheading ceremony in the town square, a common practice under Saudi Arabia’s sharia law system.

Babic was vice-captain of the team. Captain Kevin Muscat was not at the arena, but 13 Olyroos squad members witnessed the executions first-hand.

On the eve of the Socceroos’ trip to Saudi Arabia for next week’s top-of-the-table match in the 2018 World Cup Asian qualifiers, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal the full details of the barbaric event after two decades of silence from squad members.

Babic said the players were keen to see the sights of the town when suddenly there was commotion around a circular arena with a see-through fence.

“We noticed there was a build-up of police around the actual ring, to our amazement the crowd started to build up,” he said.

“We asked the hotel guide what was occurring, and he indicated to us that he presumed there would be some beheadings, on the basis that they wouldn’t publicly announce any particular type of punishment but as there was a police build-up that indicated to a lot of people around that something was going to occur.

“Out of curiosity with our teammates we said we’ll take a backward step and see what’s going to occur.

“We waited, and five minutes later there was a van, we could hear the siren coming between all the buildings, and it was a police van that was making its way through with a police escort.

“They opened the gate and it came directly on the asphalt. An executioner who was dressed
completely in white, in total contrast to everyone else who was dressed in black, walked out.

“At this stage there was probably a crowd of 3000 to 4000 people circled around the ring.

“He walked around the ring, placed seven mats on the tarmac, went back to the van, reached for a sword, raised the sword in the air and every time he raised the sword in the air there was a massive cheer around the arena.

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1995 Olyroos tour of Saudi Arabia.
“It really jumped out at us, we were a bit shell-shocked in a way that it was occurring.

“It was when he raised the sword that it hit home, and we looked at each other and said ‘Do we really need to look at this?’ We all turned to each other and said ‘yeah’, out of curiosity let’s see if it does occur. Five minutes later they escorted a prisoner who had his hands handcuffed behind his back, a male figure, who had a balaclava over his head.

“They placed him on his knees on one of the mats.

“They brought out an additional figure and placed him around the arena, and there was probably a total of eight prisoners positioned kneeling down with their heads swayed forward.

“The tour guide told us they were potentially trafficking drugs and this is an eye-for-an-eye, he indicated that they sedate the prisoners leading up to the point of execution.

“So when the prisoners were set up on the mat, the executioner did another round with the sword raised again, which led to a huge roar of applause.

“We were positioned within this crowd trying to get an angle between the fence trying to see what was going to occur, we were positioned quite perfectly.

“He walked up to the first prisoner, positioned the sword directly on the back of the prisoner’s neck, raised it slowly, and as he raised it into the air there was a massive roar again, and then he swiftly came down.

“It was quite traumatic watching it, you could see the body fall forward and then the head roll.

“He walked over to the second prisoner, did the same procedure, placed the sword right on the neck, a clean cut through.

“Every time he did that, there was a massive roar within the crowd. We got to the last prisoner, and as he went to position the sword, he lifted it and came down, but it wasn’t actually a clear cut.

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Saudi Arabia death row inmates beheaded and crucified. Picture: Amnesty International
“So he needed to come down another two times to clean the head off.”

Dressed in their team tracksuits, the players were too shaken to attempt to take photos of the executions and quickly left, but Babic captured pictures from the safety of the team bus 100m away, showing the mass of people clambering on walls and fences to see the grotesque aftermath of brutal justice Saudi style.

It was when they were all back in their bus that the reality of the horror they had witnessed set in.

“We were quite overwhelmed with this, thinking it’s quite amazing we’ve been exposed to it. It was just a walk into the town centre,” he said.

We felt sickened by what we saw. But at the same time we realised that this was potentially a daily occurrence in Saudi Arabia.”

Back at their hotel, some players were so sickened they could not stomach lunch.

“There were a couple of players who lost their appetite for obvious reasons,” Babic said.

With no internet or camera phones in those days, squad member Goran Lozanovski posed up for a photo as the executioner holding a sword above a kneeling teammate, to later show family and friends exactly what they had seen.

It was an excruciating experience for all the players, but they still had a game to play three days later.

“I did have an insight that a couple of them found it difficult to sleep,” Babic said.

“We felt we were dealt a situation that played on our minds.”

And then, when they did arrive at King Fahad Sports City Stadium for their match, the Olyroos were confronted with an eerie sight.

“It was quite odd, we were expecting a crowd,” he said.

“It was televised throughout the country, as we got closer to the game we realised there was no crowd at all and the indication was from our coaching staff that the game was being televised live through Saudi Arabia but in particular the king.

“There were a couple of remarks there, of if we won, what would be the consequences of that.

“That’s no disrespect to Saudi Arabia. It does cross your mind.”

A “lethargic” Olyroos side lost the match 3-0, but would later defeat Saudi Arabia at the
1996 Olympics.

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Scenes on another occasion of beheading execution in Saudi Arabia.
While viewing the executions was traumatic for all involved, Babic said the squad members have been able to speak about it privately together in the years since.

“This is one we’ve openly had a chat about,” he said.

“The important aspect is that we feel like we’ve shared that together as a group, it’s something that when you’re experiencing and not realising how traumatic it is, but we were tight-knit and professional in the way we focused on the game, but deep down we knew it did affect us.

“The image never leaves you. When I look back on it now 20 years on, I think ‘wow’, it’s as clear as when I saw it there.”

Public beheadings have always been a part of the Saudi judicial system but are more common now than ever before.

Last year there were more than 157 street executions in the country, the most recorded since the Olyroos’ visit.

Football Federation Australia does not publicly discuss their security arrangements for tours, but did confirm that like many of their recent overseas assignments there will be no time for days off in Saudi Arabia on their looming trip.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/445bf563af06d4312242e084376c1fd8
 

Happy MEel

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That's pretty full on but the question has to be asked why they decided to stay and watch after the driver warned them what was going to happen. The article also suggests they stayed until the end.
 

Eelementary

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That's pretty full on but the question has to be asked why they decided to stay and watch after the driver warned them what was going to happen. The article also suggests they stayed until the end.

Morbid curiosity, I'd say.

They probably thought, "Nah...no way is this happening! ....right?"
 
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