QLD doesn't need another team

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Union is struggling now in nz

Putting a team in Perth and hoping afl struggles is stupid

And Perth’s population is growing, with demographics changes providing fertile ground for a RL team, not putting a team there is stupid. If there’s any misfortune that hits the AFL in the future, like what is happening with Union in NZ, or Super League and the NRL in the past, it’ll just be gravy.

Imagine if we never put an NRL team in NZ, we wouldn’t be there to capitalise on Union’s current struggles. There would have been people in AFL land thinking the exact same thing as you regarding sending the Swans to Sydney in the 80s; it’s stupid, it’ll never work, RL and RU are too strong in NSW, Aussie Rules won’t get a look in- fast forward 40 years and they have their niche carved out. They’ll never be number one in Sydney, but they don’t need to be.

 

[mongoose]

Union is struggling now in nz

Putting a team in Perth and hoping afl struggles is stupid

Who said anything about hoping AFL will struggle in Perth? Only a moron thinks the idea of expansion is to weaken another code.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yep, I don’t disagree NZ2 is a good expansion candidate, however all the negativity around ‘but AFL’ in regard to Perth could have once been said in regard to NZ outside out of Auckland with a ‘but Union’. Union’s historically been incredibly dominant; time, presence and some misfortune on Union’s part and now a 2nd team looks like it could be viable.

There are a few differences edging New Zealand 2 ahead of Perth.

RU in Australia and New Zealand is in a very precarious position due to the game's growth in France and Japan. We're in a position to make serious inroads in RU territory.

AwFuL is richer than NRL and has the money to fund expansion in Queensland and NSW and prop up its heartland. Adding an NRL team in Perth ain't going to hurt fumbleball at all. The main casualty of a Perth-based NRL team is the Western Force, but they're f**ked regardless of whether we expand into WA.

Another thing that places NZ2 ahead of Perth is Polynesians have the perfect somatotype for RL and RU. In contrast, Western Australians follow fumbleball wirh a zealtous passion and probably have a better somatotype for fumbleball. I am yet to see any tangible evidence that a Perth-based team will change this. Perth Rat and his mates point to participation rates in 1995, then contradict themselves by saying we should ignore the Western Reds' poor crowds due to it being a different city in a different era.

It seems people on here want the next team to be in Perth because they're insecure about fumbleball?

Expansion isn't meant to be a dick measuring contest with fumbleball.

The purpose of expansion is to make the game stronger and richer. The only reason V'landys is fast tracking expansion is because our last deal was blown out of the water by AwFuL and we need to find a way to narrow the gap in 2028.

Do you have any evidence that adding a team in Perth by 2028 will lead to a significant gain in broadcast revenue?

We've got Simon Fordham, Head of Strategy WWOS telling Media Spy that the Ch9 network believes Brisbane can support another team and are in favour of it getting one. I haven't heard him or anyone else from Ch9 push for a Perth-based team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

How do I know based on crowds tv ratings and revenues for the afl clubs there

why didn’t you answer my last question ? Don’t like the answer ?

Perth or ch? Which one lol

Ironically, Perth Rat has provided a compelling case for not expanding into Perth According to him, the Eagles have more than 100k members and generate more revenue from football operations than the Broncos. On top of that, he reckons the Dockers are bigger and richer than the Broncos.

If that's the case then how is a Perth-based NRL team supposed to draw support in such a rusted-on fumbleball market that has two AwFuL clubs bigger than the world's largest and richest RL club?

Perth is smaller than Brisbane.

I want to see evidence to support a Perth-based team. I'm not going to blindly support the idea just because a few people on LU think it is taboo to prioritise NZ2 and Brisbane 3.

 

[mongoose]

Haha tell us again how some channel 9 nuffy said Brisbane might possibly maybe get another team.

 

[Canard]

Expansion shouldn't be a "dick measuring' contest, but we should expand to NZ2 to best Union????

Any dumbarse that thinks we are overtaking Union in NZ anytime soon is on some serious gear.

Not that we need to, we just need to form our own niche and not worry about the other codes

 

[Colk]

Expansion shouldn't be a "dick measuring' contest, but we should expand to NZ2 to best Union????

Any dumbarse that thinks we are overtaking Union in NZ anytime soon is on some serious gear.

Not that we need to, we just need to form our own niche and not worry about the other codes

Well said. That is the whole point.

 

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There are a few differences edging New Zealand 2 ahead of Perth.

RU in Australia and New Zealand is in a very precarious position due to the game's growth in France and Japan. We're in a position to make serious inroads in RU territory.

AwFuL is richer than NRL and has the money to fund expansion in Queensland and NSW and prop up its heartland. Adding an NRL team in Perth ain't going to hurt fumbleball at all. The main casualty of a Perth-based NRL team is the Western Force, but they're f**ked regardless of whether we expand into WA.

It doesn’t have to hurt AFL, it’s a bonus if it does, as long as it can carve out a niche as the AFL have done in Sydney, that’s fine.

Another thing that places NZ2 ahead of Perth is Polynesians have the perfect somatotype for RL and RU. In contrast, Western Australians follow fumbleball wirh a zealtous passion and probably have a better somatotype for fumbleball. I am yet to see any tangible evidence that a Perth-based team will change this. Perth Rat and his mates point to participation rates in 1995, then contradict themselves by saying we should ignore the Western Reds' poor crowds due to it being a different city in a different era.

It seems people on here want the next team to be in Perth because they're insecure about fumbleball?

Expansion isn't meant to be a dick measuring contest with fumbleball.

The purpose of expansion is to make the game stronger and richer. The only reason V'landys is fast tracking expansion is because our last deal was blown out of the water by AwFuL and we need to find a way to narrow the gap in 2028.

Ignoring a market that will have 3.5 million people by 2050 isn’t clever strategy. If we get started, we can carve out a niche in that market.

Expansion also has to involve long term planning. The AFL has stuck it out for the long term opportunities in Sydney and Brisbane, despite there probably being more easy money on offer via a WA3 team or a promoted club from the SA lower grades.

Do you have any evidence that adding a team in Perth by 2028 will lead to a significant gain in broadcast revenue?

We've got Simon Fordham, Head of Strategy WWOS telling Media Spy that the Ch9 network believes Brisbane can support another team and are in favour of it getting one. I haven't heard him or anyone else from Ch9 push for a Perth-based team.

I can’t tell the future, however the NRL having a future presence in a city of 3.5 million people is hardly going to hurt its prospects.

 

[mongoose]

Expansion shouldn't be a "dick measuring' contest, but we should expand to NZ2 to best Union????

Any dumbarse that thinks we are overtaking Union in NZ anytime soon is on some serious gear.

Not that we need to, we just need to form our own niche and not worry about the other codes

It's sad that Donkey and wb only see expansion through a code war lens. Who cares how popular AFL is in Perth? It's the 4th largest city in the country and holds great potential for League, if the NRL is willing to put in some work and investment. Maybe an NRL club will only be a quarter, 1/8th even as popular as the Eagles, so what?

 

[Bukowski]

It's sad that Donkey and wb only see expansion through a code war lens. Who cares how popular AFL is in Perth? It's the 4th largest city in the country and holds great potential for League, if the NRL is willing to put in some work and investment. Maybe an NRL club will only be a quarter, 1/8th even as popular as the Eagles, so what?

They only see it through a hatred of Perth Red lens.
He owns their minds.

 

[Colk]

It doesn’t have to hurt AFL, it’s a bonus if it does, as long as it can carve out a niche as the AFL have done in Sydney, that’s fine.

Ignoring a market that will have 3.5 million people by 2050 isn’t clever strategy. If we get started, we can carve out a niche in that market.

Expansion also has to involve long term planning. The AFL has stuck it out for the long term opportunities in Sydney and Brisbane, despite there probably being more easy money on offer via a WA3 team or a promoted club from the SA lower grades.

I can’t tell the future, however the NRL having a future presence in a city of 3.5 million people is hardly going to hurt its prospects.

This is what people ignore. The counter argument is well they have all this money they can afford it but they didn’t have this money when they made these decisions. Now they had some fortune for sure but nothing comes from nothing and no business venture/sport/whatever else has ever reached its potential by taking the easy way or being conservative. It just doesn’t happen.

Heck it is not even that brave a move. It’s not like we are talking about taking on America for instance which I am also on board with.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

And Perth’s population is growing, with demographics changes providing fertile ground for a RL team, not putting a team there is stupid. If there’s any misfortune that hits the AFL in the future, like what is happening with Union in NZ, or Super League and the NRL in the past, it’ll just be gravy.

Imagine if we never put an NRL team in NZ, we wouldn’t be there to capitalise on Union’s current struggles. There would have been people in AFL land thinking the exact same thing as you regarding sending the Swans to Sydney in the 80s; it’s stupid, it’ll never work, RL and RU are too strong in NSW, Aussie Rules won’t get a look in- fast forward 40 years and they have their niche carved out. They’ll never be number one in Sydney, but they don’t need to be.

South Melbourne Swans chose to relocate to Sydney because they were broke.

VFL didn't create a new team for the Sydney market.

VFL was broke in the 1980s. Their reason for adding the Bears and Eagles was because poor Melbourne clubs like Fitzroy needed the money that the new clubs had to pay to enter the competition. Ironically, Fitzroy were forced to relocate with Brisbane when they went bust in 1996.

 

[Vlad59]

It's sad that Donkey and wb only see expansion through a code war lens. Who cares how popular AFL is in Perth? It's the 4th largest city in the country and holds great potential for League, if the NRL is willing to put in some work and investment. Maybe an NRL club will only be a quarter, 1/8th even as popular as the Eagles, so what?

That’s exactly right. Expansion is about growing the game in new markets. Perth is a great new market for us. Population. Wealth. Solid league support base. Supportive government. And a Perth team can fill time slots unpopular for other clubs eg 6pm Sunday. But all this logic is wasted on these threads. They’ve become a cesspool of stupidity.

 

[Vlad59]

They only see it through a hatred of Perth Red lens.
He owns their minds.

Absolutely. Perth is genuine expansion. I’ve always supported it regardless of PRs existence.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It doesn’t have to hurt AFL, it’s a bonus if it does, as long as it can carve out a niche as the AFL have done in Sydney, that’s fine.

Ignoring a market that will have 3.5 million people by 2050 isn’t clever strategy. If we get started, we can carve out a niche in that market.

Expansion also has to involve long term planning. The AFL has stuck it out for the long term opportunities in Sydney and Brisbane, despite there probably being more easy money on offer via a WA3 team or a promoted club from the SA lower grades.

I can’t tell the future, however the NRL having a future presence in a city of 3.5 million people is hardly going to hurt its prospects.

You're comparing apples and oranges by saying the NRL should create a team from scratch for Perth because the South Melbourne Swans chose to relocate to Sydney when they were broke.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Haha tell us again how some channel 9 nuffy said Brisbane might possibly maybe get another team.

The Head of Strategy Wide World of Sport isn't a "nuffy". He spoke on behalf of the entire Ch9 network. If he said it about Perth then you and your mates would be quoting him from the rooftops.

 

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This is what people ignore. The counter argument is well they have all this money they can afford it but they didn’t have this money when they made these decisions. Now they had some fortune for sure but nothing comes from nothing and no business venture/sport/whatever else has ever reached its potential by taking the easy way or being conservative. It just doesn’t happen.

Heck it is not even that brave a move. It’s not like we are talking about taking on America for instance which I am also on board with.

Exactly, it’s another large Australian city with a RL friendly base present there. It’s hardly rocket science, the case for it will only grow stronger going forward.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It's sad that Donkey and wb only see expansion through a code war lens. Who cares how popular AFL is in Perth? It's the 4th largest city in the country and holds great potential for League, if the NRL is willing to put in some work and investment. Maybe an NRL club will only be a quarter, 1/8th even as popular as the Eagles, so what?

You're the one who wants a team in Perth because you're insecure about AwFuL having a larger metropolitan footprint. I couldn't give a f**k what AwFuL does or how its fans view RL.

 

[Canard]

You're comparing apples and oranges by saying the NRL should create a team from scratch for Perth because the South Melbourne Swans chose to relocate to Sydney when they were broke.

Why? It's a team in a new market, that's all that matters.

 

[Colk]

South Melbourne Swans chose to relocate to Sydney because they were broke.

VFL didn't create a new team for the Sydney market.

VFL was broke in the 1980s. Their reason for adding the Bears and Eagles was because poor Melbourne clubs like Fitzroy needed the money that the new clubs had to pay to enter the competition. Ironically, Fitzroy were forced to relocate with Brisbane when they went bust in 1996.

This is the literal definition of snookering yourself.

So you admit that the fumblers became wealthy only after putting teams in new markets which is the exact opposite of what the NRL should do in your opinion?