Rank the Brisbane bids

[Perth Red]

Every Brisbane bid is a billion times more valuable than anything coming out of Perth.

You're very hypocritical in how you judge Brisbane and Sydney so harshly, to a degree that is impossible to live up to, but set the pass bar for Perth and Melbourne so low that you'll praise them no matter how few fans and local juniors they add to the game.

What you want from Brisbane 2 isn't necessary for it to survive. You're just going with that bullshit criteria because you know no one will meet it, thus you can continue to whinge. I wontdn't be surprised if you were worried that Brisbane 2, 3 and 4 would put an end to your Storm's success, as they will havo to find another well to draw water from. No more Cronks or Smiths for privileged Melbourne.

a billion, is that all lol?

Brisbane can get a third team when the game is truly national, nz has more clubs and the two Brisbane clubs are avg’ing 40k . Until then be thankful the nrl’s got a myopic suburbanite leader that thinks Brisbane 2 is the only option. All that talent and your one team is shthouse. Maybe the players don’t want to live in brisabane and that why the broncos are so sht?

 

[Pippen94]

a billion, is that all lol?

Brisbane can get a third team when the game is truly national, nz has more clubs and the two Brisbane clubs are avg’ing 40k . Until then be thankful the nrl’s got a myopic suburbanite leader that thinks Brisbane 2 is the only option. All that talent and your one team is shthouse. Maybe the players don’t want to live in brisabane and that why the broncos are so sht?

Ha - the Perth bid is now making demands. NRL is not listening - there is no money in Perth or Adelaide just great cost. Having a team there doesn't make comp national it's merely tokenism. This current admin appear to have greater business sense that's why there is more talk of Brisbane 3 than Perth.

 

[Pippen94]

What are they not examples of?

Seriously, you're so disingenuous and full of shit that I'm not even sure what it is that you think they aren't examples of.

The f**k are you talking about. They created a whole new brand you moron.

You haven't shot down any of them.

All of them are exactly what I said they are, they are groups or clubs that created neutral brands either because they couldn't keep the old one or because it was a bad idea to keep the old one.
In other words they are example of brand changes to appeal to a larger audience.

Something about ppl from Canberra; categorically proven wrong yet despite all evidence still adamant they a right

 

[Bulldog2020]

One of the bids should adopt the South Queensland Crushers name.

 

[BuderusIsaBeast]

Ha - the Perth bid is now making demands. NRL is not listening - there is no money in Perth or Adelaide just great cost. Having a team there doesn't make comp national it's merely tokenism. This current admin appear to have greater business sense that's why there is more talk of Brisbane 3 than Perth.

I have to strongly disagree with no money in Perth.

If Perth are the 18th team they will bring with them another live time slot which would mean a lot to Foxtel when they have a 9 game weekend. The ability to show a 4 game super Saturday with a 9.30 live game in Perth will add value. The 6.30 Sunday will also suit Perth similar to the 6pm Friday suits the Warriors.

Having a national game does mean something, in particular for sponsors and commercial partners.

it’s not about dominating, WA. Just like the Storm don’t dominate Victoria. However they have still been very successful as they have found a core fan base and have expanded the game.

Western Australia has the best Junior set up both in player talent and Junior clubs than any affiliate state. This included Victoria who host a successful NRL team. Having an NRL team
Present will only help this continue to grow.

All clubs receive their Salary cap covered plus additional grants from the NRL (currently 3 million) if they have a strong business structure in place there is no reason why they can’t be successful just like Melbourne have.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

a billion, is that all lol?

Brisbane can get a third team when the game is truly national, nz has more clubs and the two Brisbane clubs are avg’ing 40k . Until then be thankful the nrl’s got a myopic suburbanite leader that thinks Brisbane 2 is the only option. All that talent and your one team is shthouse. Maybe the players don’t want to live in brisabane and that why the broncos are so sht?

Aren't you originally from England?
The country ttat invented the game but hasn't won a major tournament involving Aus since 1974. The league in England is so shit their players are abandoning it in droves to play in the NRL.

You're not in any position to make any demands.

In your scenario, Brisbane needs to have two teams averaging 40k when no RL club in the world pulls that many, but Perth and Adelaide can have one each, even though they'll be lucky to get 10k. Perth couldn't even average 9k across 2 games in 2017. Good luck getting a Perth team to pull the NRL average to 12 games a year. Thanks for confirming what I said about you being a hypocrite with double standards. People would take your pleas for a Perth team more seriously if you weren't so bitter towards Brisbane and Sydney. You are a choosing beggar.

It's not just PVL who doesn't want Perth. The media analyst in that article listed the importance of NZ2 and Brisbane3, but didn't mention Perth. You're living in a fantasy world and are bitter because you cannot henpeck the NRL to give you a team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I have to strongly disagree with no money in Perth.

If Perth are the 18th team they will bring with them another live time slot which would mean a lot to Foxtel when they have a 9 game weekend. The ability to show a 4 game super Saturday with a 9.30 live game in Perth will add value. The 6.30 Sunday will also suit Perth similar to the 6pm Friday suits the Warriors.

Having a national game does mean something, in particular for sponsors and commercial partners.

it’s not about dominating, WA. Just like the Storm don’t dominate Victoria. However they have still been very successful as they have found a core fan base and have expanded the game.

Western Australia has the best Junior set up both in player talent and Junior clubs than any affiliate state. This included Victoria who host a successful NRL team. Having an NRL team
Present will only help this continue to grow.

All clubs receive their Salary cap covered plus additional grants from the NRL (currently 3 million) if they have a strong business structure in place there is no reason why they can’t be successful just like Melbourne have.

How do you explain RU drawing sponsors from the high end of town when their game is neither national nor popular? No matter how many cities we put teams in, sponsors will look down on the game as they associate it with the working class. They think fumbleball and onionball are watched by the high end of town, so they throw their money at those games.

If their was money in Perth then a business proposal would have been presented that's too good for Ch9, Foxtel and NRL to refuse. They obviously don't see any value in a Perth team.

A 9.30pm AEST/7.30pm WAST game in Perth takes NZ out of the equation as it would be 11.30pm in NZ. There's more money in NZ than Perth.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Something about ppl from Canberra; categorically proven wrong yet despite all evidence still adamant they a right

Is The Great Dane still speaking shit and then declaring himself the winner?

I put him on ignore as I got tired of reading his infantile rants. I don't mind a differing opinion, but he is too aggressive, throwing tantrums like a 2yo when people refuse to accept his baseless opinions as facts. It's been much more peaceful not having to read his crap

 

[The Great Dane]

Something about ppl from Canberra; categorically proven wrong yet despite all evidence still adamant they a right

You haven't provided any material that contradicts what I've said, not one link, not one quote, nothing.
On top of that you've ignored links that I've provided to support some of my claims.

You haven't categorically proven anything, you've just asserted that you're right over and over, which is ironic considering that is what you accuse me of doing...

BTW, there's something about people that stereotype and collectivise people; they're always worthless merkins.

 

[mongoose]

Get rid of the donkeys is the Brisbane version of Stallion

 

[Perth Red]

Get rid of the donkeys is the Brisbane version of Stallion

haha every state has a stallion!

 

[The Great Dane]

I liked it better when we only had to deal with one Stallion lol.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Hers's an idea for expanding rugby league in Perth. Put the Pirates in the Queensland Cup, but only after doing some sort of deal with the PNGRFL and Fiji Rugby League to have a set of players from their local competition relocate to Perth to play under contract for the Pirates. Maybe get 60 so players in total, so those who aren't playing QCUP can strengthen the WARL competition. Over time it will help more players from PNG and Fiji progress to the NRL and strengthen the grass roots in Perth.

If having a Perth based team in the Queensland Cup increases the profile of the league and provides better sponsorship opportunities for the rest of the clubs, the Pirates can use that data to strengthen their bid for an NRL franchise. RL fans get to see quality footy. Everyone wins. It's better than doing nothing.

 

[blue bags]

perth could have 2 teams. perth reds-pirates, and a relocated team from sydney

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

perth could have 2 teams. perth reds-pirates, and a relocated team from sydney

They can have the Donkeys.

That solves two problems.

 

[blue bags]

They can have the Donkeys.

That solves two problems.

how do we solve the massive headcase issue, the broncos
they are the richest RL club in the world, but are a disgrace
any ideas

 

[flippikat]

perth could have 2 teams. perth reds-pirates, and a relocated team from sydney

Well, that *would* mean a guaranteed late game (9:30 pm kickoff, eastern time) every weekend, if the NRL wants it.....

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

how do we solve the massive headcase issue, the broncos
they are the richest RL club in the world, but are a disgrace
any ideas

They need to accept that success doesn't come overnight. Their belief is they can throw money at the best players and coaches after they've been developed by other clubs, but the salary cap and players developing emotional ties with their clubs has made this approach useless. People end up coming to the Donkeys on overs and are just there for the money. There's no culture.

The club never planned for life after Bennett and Cyril Connell.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Melbourne when Belly Ache calls it a day.

 

[Perth Red]

Hers's an idea for expanding rugby league in Perth. Put the Pirates in the Queensland Cup, but only after doing some sort of deal with the PNGRFL and Fiji Rugby League to have a set of players from their local competition relocate to Perth to play under contract for the Pirates. Maybe get 60 so players in total, so those who aren't playing QCUP can strengthen the WARL competition. Over time it will help more players from PNG and Fiji progress to the NRL and strengthen the grass roots in Perth.

If having a Perth based team in the Queensland Cup increases the profile of the league and provides better sponsorship opportunities for the rest of the clubs, the Pirates can use that data to strengthen their bid for an NRL franchise. RL fans get to see quality footy. Everyone wins. It's better than doing nothing.

and whose going to pay the $2million plus for it?
When the western Reds were formed they brought across about 40 young Players from the east coast and spread them through the warl comp. Idea was to instantly strengthen the WARL comp and to have a steady flow of talent for the following decade or so, as well as connect the WARL clubs to the new arl club.
What they need to do is decide that they are going to expand west then put out an expressions of interest for owners or groups to put a bid in. The admission shouldn’t be for 3-4 years. Over that3-4 years the new club should partner with png to set up an academy in Port Moresby for the best 20-30 15/16 year olds. Then the best 6 or 7 of them move to Perth each year to play in sg ball side for a shot at a contract.
Alongside that the club admits a team in nsw cup (cheap flights and shorter travel than Qland cup) and begins its recruitment of 20-23 year olds for three years ready to kick off nrl club three-four years later.
Alongside all that the nrl needs to triple the funding to NRLWA and double development officers numbers to massively increase the state school comp and support jnr clubs to improve coaching and set ups.
But we aren’t the AFL so We can only dream!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

and whose going to pay the $2million plus for it?
When the western Reds were formed they brought across about 40 young Players from the east coast and spread them through the warl comp. Idea was to instantly strengthen the WARL comp and to have a steady flow of talent for the following decade or so, as well as connect the WARL clubs to the new arl club.
What they need to do is decide that they are going to expand west then put out an expressions of interest for owners or groups to put a bid in. The admission shouldn’t be for 3-4 years. Over that3-4 years the new club should partner with png to set up an academy in Port Moresby for the best 20-30 15/16 year olds. Then the best 6 or 7 of them move to Perth each year to play in sg ball side for a shot at a contract.
Alongside that the club admits a team in nsw cup (cheap flights and shorter travel than Qland cup) and begins its recruitment of 20-23 year olds for three years ready to kick off nrl club three-four years later.
Alongside all that the nrl needs to triple the funding to NRLWA and double development officers numbers to massively increase the state school comp and support jnr clubs to improve coaching and set ups.
But we aren’t the AFL so We can only dream!

Greenberg was wasting millions on virtue signaling campaigns that did nothing for the game. An agreement could be made with the WA Gov to have an Origin match in Perth every year, with the fee paid by the government used to fund the Pirates QLD Cup team. That way the WA Gov could tell the tax payer that their money isn't just going back to the eastern states, but is being used to fund the development of the game in Perth so locals can attend high quality games all year. It's a PR win for the NRL, Origin and the WA Gov. No doubt you'll find something to whinge about.

NSW Cup is basically reserve grade with NRL squads being increased to 30. NRL clubs in QLD, Mel and Auckland spread their player affiliations over several QLD Cup teams each. NSW NRL teams go with just one club each. It would be too hard for the Pirates to compete.

I do see the irony in you asking who will pay for it, considering you reckon Brisbane 2 must bring in $35-40 million per year without Leagues clubs yet don't want a Perth team to have to fork out $5 million to run a QLD Cup club. Your double standards can be used against expansion to Perth, because if you cannot afford to run a club at the second tier level, there's no way you will survive in the big league.

Distance is going to be a huge barrier for any team that is based in Perth. If your side cannot handle the costs and rigours of travel to Port Moresby, Townsville, Cairns, Mackay, Gold Coast and Brisbane then maybe it's best they just play in the WARL. If you're admitted to the NRL your mob will need to travel to Auckland, Townsville, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne and Newcastle.

Your last line about the NRL not funding development like the AFL sums up why it's dumb for you and TGD to say Brisbane must be restricted to just 2 teams so you can expand to NZ2, Adelaide and Perth. The NRL isn't going to stump up 10s of millions of dollars each year to prop up a club in these areas, so saying we must hold off expansion into Brisbane until they have representation is the definiton of insanity and stupidity. You would come back in 100 years time and there would still be zero teams in these areas and Brisbane would still be under-represented, because of the unrealistic goals of some people in Canberra and Perth. I will ask again, where is NZ2 going to go? Only one metro area in NZ has a population over 1 million, and it already has a team that cannot draw 17,000 on average. Every other area in NZ is about the size of Canberra and RU crazy. I hate to break it to you, but Adelaide, Perth and NZ2 are unsustainable and only a narrow-minded person would continue to advocate for them, when all the evidence proves they are not fit for NRL. The only team that might draw interest is a Tonga team based in NZ, but who would fund it and why would NZers who aren't Tongan support it?