You are incorrigible and someone who just trolls parramatta fans.
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You are incorrigible and someone who just trolls parramatta fans.
The most "dead on the money" post I have ever read on this site.
There's also losable games that we won. It all comes out in the wash.
It's not about whether we made the finals, it's the number of games we won. After four years in the finals a season with a 50% win rate is acceptable for anybody without an overblown sense of entitlement.
Yeah agreed. Brilliant coaching by Arthur's.
Penrith have missed the finals heaps of times. Around the time Gould got there they went three straight years with no finals footy.
Based on what? How could you possibly know we aren't at potential? Because of how good we were forty years ago? Everything has changed since then. Professionalism meant a lot of clubs overtook us. Demographic change has eroded our geographic benefits.
How about when he took over the Knights?
We were underachieving for a very different reason to the Dragons. We were just under resourced. That's why we made the finals only 10 times in the 32 years between 1986 and 2019. I remember those early nineties sides and they were awful. Following that, some of those squads that Brian Smith won minor premierships with, Wayne Bennett would've struggled to get into the finals. Our 2019-2022 squad is good but there were obviously better ones.
He might've stopped them choking (for one year in three) but they were a strong club since the nineties. From the '99 decider until Bennett's first season in '09 they only missed the finals three times. In '05 they had the best squad in the NRL.
1.) If it all came out in the wash we would have been a finals team
Some years we would and some years not.
Every team has finals aspirations. Fewer than half of them get there each year. That's a lot of failure. There must be someone to blame ffs
So is he a good coach or a bad one then?
Any plan is only as good as its resourcing. Gould was able to get financial support from James Packer:
www.foxsports.com.au
I would describe our fading performances as caused by natural decline of our older players.
And got absolutely belted in that game. It happens to the best of them.
They were demonstrably better before he arrived than they were after he left.
Maybe Bennett made the wrong call by moving from St George to the Knights. Or anywhere else really. He's won nothing since 2010.
1.) We dropped way too many winnable games and it came back to bite us. That’s my point. You can excuse the games that you’re realistically not expected to win but if you drop ones you should be winning then you definitely rue those lost opportunities more despite your claim about some games not being worth more than others.Some years we would and some years not.
Every team has finals aspirations. Fewer than half of them get there each year. That's a lot of failure. There must be someone to blame ffs
So is he a good coach or a bad one then?
Any plan is only as good as its resourcing. Gould was able to get financial support from James Packer:
Phil Gould reveals how his great mate James Packer helped save the Penrith Panthers from extiction
How Packer saved the Panthers
I would describe our fading performances as caused by natural decline of our older players.
And got absolutely belted in that game. It happens to the best of them.
They were demonstrably better before he arrived than they were after he left.
Maybe Bennett made the wrong call by moving from St George to the Knights. Or anywhere else really. He's won nothing since 2010.
Baldie is earning more now than he ever has.
I suppose when you have a 7 min drive to work you can afford to take a paycut here and there and earn less.
Yeah it’s clever in his part
Every game is winnable before it starts. Have a look at the odds. And while we've 'dropped' winnable games, the same can be said about our opposition when we've won. Look at all the times we've beaten Melbourne and Penrith in recent years. It all comes out in the wash.
If you miss the finals by a single win then of course you'll look back (hindsight) and whinge about any given one-that-got-away. But you can't also ignore the wins you were expected to lose.
| Year | Wins by 1-6 | Losses by 1-6 | Win rate (games decided by <7 points) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 1 | 1 | 50% |
| 2023 | 4 | 4 | 50% |
| 2022 | 6 | 2 | 75% |
| 2021 | 1 | 3 | 25% |
| 2020 | 9 | 2 | 82% |
| 2019 | 3 | 4 | 43% |
| 2018 | 3 | 5 | 38% |
| 2017 | 6 | 2 | 75% |
| 2016 | 4 | 3 | 57% |
| 2015 | 6 | 4 | 60% |
| 2014 | 3 | 4 | 43% |
| Total/aggregate | 46 | 34 | 58% |
No I think every team has a target of eighth place at minimum. Last year it only took 13 wins.
By 'above our level' do you mean giving 110%? Honestly, I don't think it's a real thing. Teams either play their best or they don't. In a contest of two unevenly matched teams, if the better team plays their best they will win. It's that simple. Ivan Cleary said as much in that Panthers doco before our first final in 2022.
Is there anything to suggest we do? We have done a lot worse than this in the past forty years. Meanwhile the only period that surpasses 2019-23 was '97-'01.
We had the fourth best defence in 2021. Our oldest forwards that year were 28, which is shortly after their peak, according to RLET.
Of our eight finals losses since 2017, five of them have been against the eventual premiers.
You implied they had limited resources before he arrived, which is false. I don't believe he would've gone there if they lacked resources, and I suspect he left because the money ran out.
He's obviously not washed up but they are desperate too. Lucky they have proven to be well resourced, winning a premiership under Maguire and making the preliminary final under Seibold and Demetriou. Whatever has gone wrong at Souths, resourcing isn't the problem. The issues are occurring behind the scenes and Demetriou would've been sacked because he was part of the problem.
Not clogging up Parra’s S-Bends? So selfless, we should extend him.
Players, coaching staff, management, connections to the corporate world, junior nursery grounds…the whole box and dice.
No, he's somehow arguing that a club having more other vague financial resources to spend than another club somehow is more linked to on field performance than the quality of effort of the players and coach on a given day...
I'm glad some merkin's been paying attention. Not like that Vince Fawcett merkin
Obviously it's players that ultimately matter. More than coaching or luck. But the way to accumulate the greatest amount of playing talent is resourcing, which gives some clubs benefits outside the cap compared to others. Resources are also how clubs acquire the best/most coaching staff, along with all the staff that enables superior recruitment/retention right down to pathways level.
