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Why shouold bid teams get an nrl license

papabear

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Shouldn't the NRL hold and run the organisation ala melbourne storm or WSW and then sell the franchise for further funds they can put back into the game.

Say a license is worth 15 million bucks why would one be given for free to CQLD , brisbane bombers or WC pirates?

IMO the NRL should start the team in whichever area is appropriate and then if someone wants to buy they can make an offer like anything else.
 

Perth Red

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errmmm because that's not how it works! NRL clubs generally make losses, why would you want to buy one?
 

Perth Red

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we want to start one to grow RL in WA and stengthen the game generally. Taking $15mill out of WARL to put into the NRL is hardly a positive step forward for growing the game. The NRL should not be seen as a commodity to buy and sell and make a profit from. Hopefully the Brothers and Pirates bids will both be succesful and both use the NRL clubs to grow the grass roots as they have stated is their intent.

Of course we could sell off licenses and have the likes of Tinker, Sage, Palmer, Searle etc screwing the game up. Take a look at the for profit model of the Broncos, it has taken them this long to partner with a club (Logan) to form an academy! And some would argue they have only acted now out of self interest given the likely Brisbane bids.
 

Bulldog Force

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We need the Perth and CC franchises as they are the current hot spots, then after that, Brisbane Bombers and CQ.
 

The Great Dane

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we want to start one to grow RL in WA and stengthen the game generally. Taking $15mill out of WARL to put into the NRL is hardly a positive step forward for growing the game. The NRL should not be seen as a commodity to buy and sell and make a profit from. Hopefully the Brothers and Pirates bids will both be succesful and both use the NRL clubs to grow the grass roots as they have stated is their intent.

Of course we could sell off licenses and have the likes of Tinker, Sage, Palmer, Searle etc screwing the game up. Take a look at the for profit model of the Broncos, it has taken them this long to partner with a club (Logan) to form an academy! And some would argue they have only acted now out of self interest given the likely Brisbane bids.

In papabear's plan/idea, which isn't necessarily a bad one, the WARL would most likely not be the people to buy the Perth franchise off the NRL, so nobody would be taking $15mill out of the WARL, but the NRL would still be making that initial gain off the license.

The clubs and the grassroots would be run separately meaning that the WARL would never have to rely on the monetary success of the Pirates or vice versa but they would still be affiliated out of necessity, e.g. the Pirates would need the WARL for a supply of junior players and and the WARL would need the Pirates so that their juniors have a stable route into the NRL.

The question now is do we want the clubs to be owned and sometimes run by cashed up millionaires who may or may not have the best interests of the game at heart, or do we want them to be owned and run by people who truly love the game and want to see it develop into everything it can be. So the choice is make the NRL the peoples game as much as possible or make it a giant cash cow.

Neither route is technically wrong or right and both have proven to be successful in other competitions and sports, but I doubt anybody would argue that the millionaires and their money route hasn't been the most successful from a popularity of the individual competition and the money it makes point of view in the past (American football and the NFL being the prime example) and I doubt that anybody would argue that grassroots, spread the game to as many people as possible route hasn't been the most successful from a spread the sport point of view in the past (FIFA and the RUIB and their respective sports), it all depends on which direction the ARLC and the NRL want to take the game.
 

gyallop

Juniors
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we want to start one to grow RL in WA and stengthen the game generally. Taking $15mill out of WARL to put into the NRL is hardly a positive step forward for growing the game. The NRL should not be seen as a commodity to buy and sell and make a profit from. Hopefully the Brothers and Pirates bids will both be succesful and both use the NRL clubs to grow the grass roots as they have stated is their intent.

Of course we could sell off licenses and have the likes of Tinker, Sage, Palmer, Searle etc screwing the game up. Take a look at the for profit model of the Broncos, it has taken them this long to partner with a club (Logan) to form an academy! And some would argue they have only acted now out of self interest given the likely Brisbane bids.

Red the Bronco comment is unmitigated rubbish and embarrassing. They formed local club partnerships in 1988 and have spent more here on development than the ARL would have spent in Australia and that is one of the reasons why the NSW power brokers hate them and the NSW clubs are mining Qld juniors. You have read some knee jerk comments from the Raiders who think they have some claim to "bronco" juniors and adopted that as fact. ....go read their balance sheet.

who is palmer? Sage has done what in the game?

Tinkler stuffed the game? the knights were stuffed without him and he has paid every cent.

Searle stuffed up a property deal and if he had succeeded every club would have followed his model. The footy club is and has been in profit and did he stuff the game by being the brains behind the ARLC.

Brothers is a concept tossed up by a gold coast AFL market guru. They couldnt fund a side in the Q Cup or attract players...nothing more to say about that non event.

Sorry for the rant as I am fan of your bid but some IMO loose comments here!
 

The Great Dane

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Red the Bronco comment is unmitigated rubbish and embarrassing. They formed local club partnerships in 1988 and have spent more here on development than the ARL would have spent in Australia and that is one of the reasons why the NSW power brokers hate them and the NSW clubs are mining Qld juniors. You have read some knee jerk comments from the Raiders who think they have some claim to "bronco" juniors and adopted that as fact. ....go read their balance sheet.

who is palmer? Sage has done what in the game?

Tinkler stuffed the game? the knights were stuffed without him and he has paid every cent.

Searle stuffed up a property deal and if he had succeeded every club would have followed his model. The footy club is and has been in profit and did he stuff the game by being the brains behind the ARLC.

Brothers is a concept tossed up by a gold coast AFL market guru. They couldnt fund a side in the Q Cup or attract players...nothing more to say about that non event.

Sorry for the rant as I am fan of your bid but some IMO loose comments here!

Oh bullshit we have never claimed a divine right to Souths Logan, the Broncos weren't using them and quite frankly didn't care about them until they started to see the possibility of another Brisbane based team.

We were just pissed that we put a lot of time and money into our affiliation with Souths Logan just for Geoff Carr to come alone and destroy our connection with them because he didn't like it.

Other then that and the Brothers being a non event I agree with you.
 

Perth Red

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Then why would u want the warl to subsidise a loss making entity...

Already covered that above, a NRL team will assist the growth of the game here five fold. A warl owned club will have direct benefits and responsibilities for the grass roots game. Storm are a great example of how an NRL team can have little benefit to grass roots if not done right. Taken 14 years to produce a player and Victoria are still behind wa at grass roots level.
 

bobmar28

Bench
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The Pirates will be the next team in the NRL along with Southwest corridor Jets.
It will happen soon.
 
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