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yy_cheng

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This is the problem with league-If you have the top player its hard to build a team to win the comp.
I still think if its a junior product or they been at club for more than 5 yrs (in first grade) greater cap compensation must be given.
I want Hayne back but at 1.2 its a bitter pill.Especialy if hoppa does a great job.

Yeah, A bit like Souths
 

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Not sure how souths did it with burgess and ingliss lol...
Its funny when parra have one rep player we are over cap but some other clubs can fit 10 in.
 

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Souths have a couple of stars, a couple of solid first graders and fill their team out with cheap plodders upon which few demands are placed - because they are so strong in the middle there is little pressure on the edge players.

And none of Souths' stars would cost as much as Jarryd Hayne. He is a two time Dally M winner FFS!
 

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They had soon-to-be premiership winning starting halves Sherwin and Anasta, and the Cowboys came in with a big offer for the inexperienced Queenslander. He played in a grand final the very next year and hasn't appeared in one since. Meanwhile the Dogs have gone on to lose two grand finals.

Both of which they would have had a far better chance of winning with the world's dominant half/5/8, thereby proving the other blokes point surely?
 

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Thurston hasn't helped the Cowboys win any premierships so why would he have done the same for the Dogs?

I agree if you just threw him into Canterbury's squad they would be much better but it's not that simple. To afford Thurston they would have to cut several players. I reckon he would cost more than Reynolds and Hodkinson put together.
 

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Not sure how souths did it with burgess and ingliss lol...
Its funny when parra have one rep player we are over cap but some other clubs can fit 10 in.

No doubt Rusty and his mate would have access to alot of 3rd party deal sponsors.
 

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They had soon-to-be premiership winning starting halves Sherwin and Anasta, and the Cowboys came in with a big offer for the inexperienced Queenslander. He played in a grand final the very next year and hasn't appeared in one since. Meanwhile the Dogs have gone on to lose two grand finals.

The point was, the eels aren't the only club that lets players go that go onto bigger and better careers.
 

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Souths have a couple of stars, a couple of solid first graders and fill their team out with cheap plodders upon which few demands are placed - because they are so strong in the middle there is little pressure on the edge players.

And none of Souths' stars would cost as much as Jarryd Hayne. He is a two time Dally M winner FFS!


Greg Inglis, Isaac Luke, Sam Burgess, Adam Reynolds, John Sutton, Luke Keary. That's more than two. And every other one of their players would walk straight into any first grade side in the comp. It's hard to see how they can afford them all. And why we can't have a similar playing roster.
 
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Greg Inglis, Isaac Luke, Sam Burgess, Adam Reynolds, John Sutton, Luke Keary. That's more than two. And every other one of their players would walk straight into any first grade side in the comp. It's hard to see how they can afford them all. And why we can't have a similar playing roster.

Of that lot, only Burgess and Inglis were bought in from outside as established star players.
 

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Of that lot, only Burgess and Inglis were bought in from outside as established star players.


So what? You don't think Isaac Luke and John Sutton would be real cheap do you? If we're talking about 'stars' purely from a salary cap perspective, I'd say Souths have at least four of them on pretty big money. Melbourne have had at least three for a number of years; Easts - how many? Manly - they've had Whatmough, Stewart, Foran, Lyon, Cherry-Evans. The obvious point that people have been trying to make is that, for a number of years, Parramatta has only really had one star (Jarryd Hayne). But if anyone is seriously thinking that his salary was so big that it prevented us from buying any other decent players, I've just got to laugh.
We've had a lot of bad luck as well as bad management of our roster over the last six or so years. Brett Finch was a good buy - but proved a dud. Sandow, same thing (to a lesser extent). Timana Tahu, Justin Poore, Shane Shackleton, all bad luck.
In fact, last year we managed to have Hayne, Peats, Sandow, Norman and Hoppoate in the team all at the same time. That's Hayne plus four potential stars of the game. It was not predictable that Peats would only have half a season, that Norman would be disappointing (or injured) and that Hoppoate might take so long to readjust to the rigors of the NRL.
The point is you can build a strong team around a superstar like Hayne - if you have a bit of luck and astute recruitment.
 
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Thurston hasn't helped the Cowboys win any premierships so why would he have done the same for the Dogs?

I agree if you just threw him into Canterbury's squad they would be much better but it's not that simple. To afford Thurston they would have to cut several players. I reckon he would cost more than Reynolds and Hodkinson put together.


Because the Dogs have obviously had a far better 'winning culture' and better coaches over the last decade than the Cowboys have.
 
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So what? You don't think Isaac Luke and John Sutton would be real cheap do you? If we're talking about 'stars' purely from a salary cap perspective, I'd say Souths have at least four of them on pretty big money. Melbourne have had at least three for a number of years; Easts - how many? Manly - they've had Whatmough, Stewart, Foran, Lyon, Cherry-Evans. The obvious point that people have been trying to make is that, for a number of years, Parramatta has only really had one star (Jarryd Hayne). But if anyone is seriously thinking that his salary was so big that it prevented us from buying any other decent players, I've just got to laugh.
We've had a lot of bad luck as well as bad management of our roster over the last six or so years. Brett Finch was a good buy - but proved a dud. Sandow, same thing (to a lesser extent). Timana Tahu, Justin Poore, Shane Shackleton, all bad luck.
In fact, last year we managed to have Hayne, Peats, Sandow, Norman and Hoppoate in the team all at the same time. That's Hayne plus four potential stars of the game. It was not predictable that Peats would only have half a season, that Norman would be disappointing (or injured) and that Hoppoate might take so long to readjust to the rigors of the NRL.
The point is you can build a strong team around a superstar like Hayne - if you have a bit of luck and astute recruitment.


My point has nothing at all to do with Hayne (I was responding to your comment about how they fit under the cap). The fact that Souths acquired/developed many of their current 'stars' before they were hot means that on average they're paying them less, that's all I was saying.
 

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Greg Inglis, Isaac Luke, Sam Burgess, Adam Reynolds, John Sutton, Luke Keary. That's more than two. And every other one of their players would walk straight into any first grade side in the comp. It's hard to see how they can afford them all. And why we can't have a similar playing roster.

Inglis, Luke and Burgess are all stars. Sutton is solid. Reynolds and Keary are the worst halves pairing ever to win a premiership.

Dylan Walker's performances away from Souths shows how much of a free ride the Rabbitohs backs got from that awesome pack.
 

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Surgess had played 88 games with Bradford before coming over to Australia though. He was also a part of the England team in 2007, only a year after he began playing and played in the international team whenever he was fit.
 

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Because the Dogs have obviously had a far better 'winning culture' and better coaches over the last decade than the Cowboys have.

Have they though? I understand the results are skewed by the fact that Thurston plays for one team and not the other, but with a player as influential as Thurston he becomes the team. If he remained at Canterbury they wouldn't be the same team as they are without him (and IMO no stronger) - their entire roster would have evolved differently.

But to compare, here are some stats for both clubs since '05. They are surprisingly similar though the Bulldogs have the edge, especially in recent years:

Average finish: Cowboys 8th, Bulldogs 7th
Grand finals: Cowboys 1, Bulldogs 2
Premierships: Cowboys 0, Bulldogs 0
Minor premierships: Cowboys 0, Bulldogs 1
Wooden spoons: Cowboys 1, Bulldogs 1 (actually 'least wins')
Finals win percentage: Cowboys 46%, Bulldogs 50%

And if you're curious, here's Parra's stats over the same period:

Average finish: 10th
Grand finals: 1
Premierships: 0
Minor premierships: 1
Wooden spoons: 2
Finals win percentage: 60%
 
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Inglis, Luke and Burgess are all stars. Sutton is solid. Reynolds and Keary are the worst halves pairing ever to win a premiership.

Dylan Walker's performances away from Souths shows how much of a free ride the Rabbitohs backs got from that awesome pack.


I'm confused. Souths have 'a couple of stars, a couple of solid first graders, and the rest are cheap plodders'. Their stars are Inglis, Luke and Burgess, and one of their solid players is Sutton. But they have an 'awesome pack'.
The numbers don't add up.
 

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Have they though? I understand the results are skewed by the fact that Thurston plays for one team and not the other, but with a player as influential as Thurston he becomes the team. If he remained at Canterbury they wouldn't be the same team as they are without him (and IMO no stronger) - their entire roster would have evolved differently.

But to compare, here are some stats for both clubs since '05. They are surprisingly similar though the Bulldogs have the edge, especially in recent years:

Average finish: Cowboys 8th, Bulldogs 7th
Grand finals: Cowboys 1, Bulldogs 2
Premierships: Cowboys 0, Bulldogs 0
Minor premierships: Cowboys 0, Bulldogs 1
Wooden spoons: Cowboys 1, Bulldogs 1 (actually 'least wins')
Finals win percentage: Cowboys 46%, Bulldogs 50%

And if you're curious, here's Parra's stats over the same period:

Average finish: 10th
Grand finals: 1
Premierships: 0
Minor premierships: 1
Wooden spoons: 2
Finals win percentage: 60%

That actually surprises the hell out of me. I thought the Berries were way superior to the Cowboys. Thanks for that.
 

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I'm confused. Souths have 'a couple of stars, a couple of solid first graders, and the rest are cheap plodders'. Their stars are Inglis, Luke and Burgess, and one of their solid players is Sutton. But they have an 'awesome pack'.
The numbers don't add up.

Luke and Burgess are stars in their awesome pack. Sutton, Te'o, McQueen and the 'little' Burgess boys are solid first graders in the same pack.

The plodders (or one dimensional fast guys) are all wearing jerseys 2 through 7.
 
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