Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and More Crap XVIII

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

what's this "prop" you speak of?

I did a big one this morning.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Did it make a big sprash?

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

So Arthur has confirmed we still have cash left in the cap, but we are not rushing.

“We have got some room in our salary cap but it’s not something that we want to rush into. We don’t just want to go out and buy the first quality player that’s available.”

“They need to fit into what we are looking for and what we are trying to build so we are just going to wait, let the dust settle, and if someone comes along that we think will suit our style of football and what we need moving forward, either a long term solution or a short term fix, we will invest that way.”

http://www.parraeels.com.au/news/20..._a_lot_that_we_can_implement_at_our_club.html

 

[Tony Bongo]

So Arthur has confirmed we still have cash left in the cap, but we are not rushing.



http://www.parraeels.com.au/news/20..._a_lot_that_we_can_implement_at_our_club.html

He should have the best part of a million bucks left and there's no point in rushing. It's not like there will be anyone around here calling for his head if we struggle next year without Hayne.

 

[Avenger]

So Arthur has confirmed we still have cash left in the cap, but we are not rushing.



http://www.parraeels.com.au/news/20..._a_lot_that_we_can_implement_at_our_club.html

Check out the comments at the 4 minute mark.

http://media.skyracing.com.au/POD/1/K1lE0n.mp3

 

[hindy111]

I agree with Pou.People don't realize what being in a good team does to a player.A guy like Morgan who we bag, if he was at Melbourne he would be looked as not a star but a pretty good player
When parra WIN ( even by 2 points ) I come on this forum and all of a sudden everyone played well.Everyone is a great player.A week later when they lose the scape goats cop it.The Paulo's the morgans.....

Same with forwards.Mannah has looked average the last few years.In saying that he doesn't get much help.If he was in the dogs pack he probably makes 160mtrs a game.I think you would find if we had a few more good forwards(which we do this year) the the regulars like Tim and lussick will look better as they will be playing against other forwards who have been belted a little by our other forwards.Its a team effort.

Just like centres-They only ever look good when they get the chance too.Why have a star centre in a team where your forwards don't move-Look at Jennings penrith/roosters/Australia. Same player different teams.

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

Check out the comments at the 4 minute mark.

http://media.skyracing.com.au/POD/1/K1lE0n.mp3

Yeah i listened to the other link you posted. Interesting.

 

[hindy111]

This proves we are behind penrith but we a copying the duke-BA admits it at 6 min mark.Very interesting-Proves I was right the whole time-The duke is a machine.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I just don't get why Fifita can't be considered a prop just because he can play long minutes?

Would you say a middle forward who makes 20 runs in 80 minutes is playing the same position as a middle forward who makes 20 runs in 40 minutes? I'm guessing you probably would. In fact so would I - they are both playing the position I think of as 'middle forward'.

However I see them as playing two very different roles. One is playing the middle forward role known as 'prop' while the other isn't.

But it's all semantics.

What isn't semantics is how much these players would get paid. The 80 minute player is doing 40 minutes worth of extra work - including tackling, chasing kicks and all the other off-the-ball stuff. He is more valuable than his mate who plays only half a game. If you want to call them both props go for it. But this is why Bennett wouldn't pay props as much as players at most other positions - because they spend half the game on the sideline not contributing.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Even if that's true, do you really think that Hayne's salary was so big that we couldn't afford other players of very high quality in key positions that would make us a premiership threat? Or do you think (like me) that it has been more a combination of bad luck and poor recruitment/retention decisions.

I think when you're paying someone that much you need 20+ games from them every single year, plus they need to be available for every finals match. Otherwise 'normal' luck (the luck typically experienced by most teams in a given year) becomes horrendous luck if one of your 'standard' long term injuries (that hit all teams) hits your expensive star.

When you have more than one such player then you could say you're spreading the risk, but really you're just concentrating even more of your salary cap within a handful of players. Souths only got 18 games out of Isaac Luke this year but they got 24 out of Inglis and 26 out of Sam Burgess. Luke also missed the grand final, and against a better team than Canterbury (and there are several of those) I reckon they would have lost without him.

But basically I think Souths had all their eggs in three baskets. It worked for them this year and it worked for the Storm in 2012. But I also think those clubs have advantages under the salary cap (and outside as well no doubt) that we don't have.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

There's 16 teams in the comp, and the odds are that some of those teams with 'superstars' are gonna have decent luck. And when they do those teams are usually gonna beat the team of average joes.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah. Ideally you have zero injuries through the year and minimal interruptions at Origin time. That lets you spend as much money as possible on your top 17. Therefore players 18 to 25 get minimum salary ($80k), leaving $5.91M for the top 17 (assuming next year's cap of $6.55M).

The average for those 17 then is just under $350k each. If one of your players is on a million bucks then the other 16 average just over $300k. If two of your players are on $1.6M between them (more realistic and useful than having two players on $1M each) then the other 15 average less than $290k. Finally, if your three highest paid are chewing $2.4M between them then the other 14 will be on an average of about $250k each. There must be a sweet spot in there. But I don't think we could have three 'stars' for $2.4M if one of them was Jarryd Hayne. He is far too good, meaning he should be far too expensive.

I think other Eels fans talking about how other clubs manage to be competitive with 'stars' (or God forbid, calling all of those players 'superstars') are really missing the gulf in talent between Jarryd Hayne and these other, lesser 'stars'. Hayne is significantly better than both Inglis and Burgess. He is worth more than double 'star' fullback Darius Boyd.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Mmm, but you're only as expensive as you are good. Roughly, anyway. And as I've suggested before, I reckon it's possible we had Hayne for less than other clubs would have had to pay. But I also don't have a clue where the sweet spot lies.

Somewhat related, I think we'd have more success (ie higher highs and lower lows) if we turned to an all or nothing approach. Front-load and back-load and whatnot aiming for one or two years with a real shot at the title. And hope luck favours us, of course.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

That's very much what the Dogs have done. Their years were this year and next year. After that they'll drop off for a year or two and then get back up there.

 

[Gronk]

BA on 2MMM.

http://audioboom.com/boos/2659597-p...mbed/v3?eid=AQAAAPGValQNlSgA&max_height=150px

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What did he say Gronk WHAT DID HE SAY?!?!

 

[hindy111]

For success you need too be smart about it but also need a little luck on the way.We are paying the price for changes of coaches who no they need results to stay so they are forced to buy whoever they can get.Also we have had no juniors to come thru of any realy quality previous to this year for quite a while.

Juniors provied value.And good value for a few years.You also will keep tham at the club for maybe 10% -20% less than what other clubs have to offer to take them away.

$300,000 to stay at a succesfful club your a junior at.How much would you want too leave to go to a team running bottom 4? My guess is $350,000 Min.

On a 6 million dollar cap you could probably save clsoe to 1 million dollars if you are a top 4 team and build your players from your juniors system.
If you can keep churning out the juniors you than can get good value for the first 2-3 yrs of there careers.And than you have the choice to pay what there worth or replace with another junior coming thru.
The bulldogs have guys like Clemmer-Jackson-Lafai who would not be costing what they are worth. They also have Hodgkinson and Reynlolds who would both demand almost double what they are on now and will be overpriced. I think 2015 the dogs have to win the comp.They dont have a lot of good juniors coming thru at present which means they wont be getting any good value and all players will be paid what there worth or overs.

The roosters i think are a little different.They will lose a few stars due to what there worth but they have great Juniors coming thru too replace them with.Guys like Guerra-Cordner-Sheck etc would be relatively cheap compared to what they are worth on open market.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

#'academy'

 

[hindy111]

Good value at parra are guys like Manu mau-Semi-Pauli Pauli-Tepai-Gower-Jnr Paulo-Peats amongst a few others
The ones hurting us are Allgood-Lussick-Norman-hunt-Hoppa ( when at centres) IMO.
Guys like Sandow,Mannah are playing to what there worth.Guys like Goodal and Matterson may provide excellent value too our squad over the next few yrs

 

[Twizzle]

What did he say Gronk WHAT DID HE SAY?!?!

We have a big physical team but we get outmuscled. Big emphasis on strength and conditioning and muscling up to the opposition and ability to be able to perform the following week rather then every second week. We do not back up well enough.