Brady is Mannings' Bitch.

[AusKnightRKO]

People put too much stock in Rings, would anyone sane ever say Flacco is better than Marino?... When it comes to GOAT i have Staubach ahead of both Brady and Montana. Like i said earlier though, it's a different Era though, Brady has done his work in the Salary cap Era, and if one or two plays went his way, he could well of had 6 Rings.

 

[shiznit]

in the discussion, but i dont think he's a slam dunk. Very, VERY hard to argue against Joe Montana in a GOAT discussion, but as i said prior, with this win, Brady moves from being a guy who isnt quite there to a guy who you can make a case for, not IMO one as strong as Montana but a case none the less.

TBH I think this win... To comeback from a double digit deficit in the 4th quarter, against a defence considered on par with the 86 Bears and 00 Ravens.. This gives him the strongest case now IMO...

 

[nick87]

TBH I think this win... To comeback from a double digit deficit in the 4th quarter, against a defence considered on par with the 86 Bears and 00 Ravens.. This gives him the strongest case now IMO...

Yeah i mean if that's how you feel, then that's how you feel.
To me i got Montana ahead but this win gives him the resume where it's hard to argue against it. Horses for courses, i think if someone thinks it's Brady or Staubach, then im fine with that, both have legitimate cases, as do others. For me, it's the Michael Jordan thing, you might win 6 rings, but unless you're 6/6 with 6 MVPs, MJ has you.

Montana to me is 4 from 4, with what SHOULD have been 4 MVPs. But yeah, if Brady's #1 to you, that's cool. It's now close enough that i dont think you're wrong to think that.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I was going to say that Montana shoujd be considered the greatest, but when you really delve into it, so many things were in Montana's favour - no salary cap, bill Walsh, john Taylor etc, not to mention the players rallied behind Steve young to be there qb and Montana was traded. Also, the niners had incredibly weak opponents in those superbowks IMO, bengals and Denver were hardly power houses, and teams like browns and a Marino led dolphins was about it- it was a shocking era for afc football. When the bills arrived they obliterated all these afc teams, and they too were cooked in the sb even though they were far superiour on every level to the afc trams mentioned above.

 

[shiznit]

Yeah i mean if that's how you feel, then that's how you feel.
To me i got Montana ahead but this win gives him the resume where it's hard to argue against it. Horses for courses, i think if someone thinks it's Brady or Staubach, then im fine with that, both have legitimate cases, as do others. For me, it's the Michael Jordan thing, you might win 6 rings, but unless you're 6/6 with 6 MVPs, MJ has you.

Montana to me is 4 from 4, with what SHOULD have been 4 MVPs. But yeah, if Brady's #1 to you, that's cool. It's now close enough that i dont think you're wrong to think that.

Yeah I definitely see what your saying... It's all relative at this point...

But I can see where we have a difference in opinion... Your seeing Montana as perfect with 4/4 on the greatest stage in the game the Super Bowl. And Brady being 4/6 having failed twice on the biggest stage... Which edges it to Montana...

And I can see that point of view...

Where my opinion differs...

You see 4/6 as a negative for Brady... I see it as a positive...

I see Montana equal with Brady on 4 rings each with 3 Super Bowl MVP awards each(not that I give much credence to that award).

But to me... Those extra 2 Super Bowls appearances that Brady has, while loses are the tie breaker...

Because to me... That's says Brady won just as many Super Bowls as Montana... But Montana wasn't good enough to get to the biggest stage more than 4 times... Which Brady was...

I think it's a good debate... Probably worthy of its own thread...

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Brady had better rules for passers
Montana had jerry rice
Brady 4/6
Montana 4/4
Bradys superbowls all close.
Montana two close two blowouts

I dunno. It's like comparing what's better. The tit on the left or the tit on the right.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Geez again I will say this, the afc was horrid back when Montana won those sb. He'll the niners put 40 and 50 on the broncos - and them, browns and bengals were the afc best sides for most if the time.

It was a disaster time for the afc, the quality of opposition was noting like Brady has faced

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

NFC was strong tjo so to get there was pretty hard

 

[shiznit]

Brady had better rules for passers
Montana had jerry rice
Brady 4/6
Montana 4/4
Bradys superbowls all close.
Montana two close two blowouts

I dunno. It's like comparing what's better. The tit on the left or the tit on the right.

So would you say it's more of a Mt Rushmore type argument...

As in... Possibly a group of 3 or 4 judged in more than just rings...

 

[AusKnightRKO]

Montana - No Salary Cap and Rice
Brady - Salary Cap era, won 4 over 14 years, best WR/TE Gronk or Branch.

 

[shiznit]

I'll tell you what counts against Brady... His Combine...

He would have to be the worst looking prospect of all time...

After that performance he was lucky to go 199th...

Does that scream greatest QB of all time?? :lol:

 

[AusKnightRKO]

I heard ryan leaf's combine results were pretty good, we should of traded up for that kid instead.

 

[shiznit]

Nahh the worst was the 49ers.... He was a lifelong Niners fan... Expected to go to tte Niners...

Yet they decided to go with Camarzzi....

 

[nick87]

Just on that draft, I love the revisionist history on Brady too.
He was a 6th round pick, the Pats had 6 picks before 199 when he was taken. 6 picks. If they thought, even for one second he could be a franchise QB, least of all a 4 time champ, they'd have certainly taken him before then

If some one else selected him, the patriots would have simply taken the next guy on their board and moved on without even thinking twice about Tom what's his name. The Pats are lauded for finding this guy in the 6th round when it was basically pot luck!
It's not like they sat down in the war room and said "Alright, we're going to get our franchise QB in the 6th round, that's priority #1. Tom Brady is OUR man! Who else do we want?"

 

[Dragon2010]

Just on that draft, I love the revisionist history on Brady too.
He was a 6th round pick, the Pats had 6 picks before 199 when he was taken. 6 picks. If they thought, even for one second he could be a franchise QB, least of all a 4 time champ, they'd have certainly taken him before then

If some one else selected him, the patriots would have simply taken the next guy on their board and moved on without even thinking twice about Tom what's his name. The Pats are lauded for finding this guy in the 6th round when it was basically pot luck!
It's not like they sat down in the war room and said "Alright, we're going to get our franchise QB in the 6th round, that's priority #1. Tom Brady is OUR man! Who else do we want?"

This might be slightly biased, but I think this is what makes his story so much better than the others. Manning was a #No1 pick. Eli was a#No1 Pick. So many other current players got drafted higher. Belichick grabbed this guy at #199 and evolved him into potentially one of the greatest QB's of all time. 4x SB champion, 3x SB MVP and countless other awards.

Heck, if you told someone in 2000 that Tom Brady, Mr. #199 pick would win a single super bowl they would've laughed at you.

 

[AusKnightRKO]

Just on that draft, I love the revisionist history on Brady too.
He was a 6th round pick, the Pats had 6 picks before 199 when he was taken. 6 picks. If they thought, even for one second he could be a franchise QB, least of all a 4 time champ, they'd have certainly taken him before then

If some one else selected him, the patriots would have simply taken the next guy on their board and moved on without even thinking twice about Tom what's his name. The Pats are lauded for finding this guy in the 6th round when it was basically pot luck!
It's not like they sat down in the war room and said "Alright, we're going to get our franchise QB in the 6th round, that's priority #1. Tom Brady is OUR man! Who else do we want?"

I can understand your point, but you realise who our QB was at the time right?

 

[shiznit]

Just on that draft, I love the revisionist history on Brady too.
He was a 6th round pick, the Pats had 6 picks before 199 when he was taken. 6 picks. If they thought, even for one second he could be a franchise QB, least of all a 4 time champ, they'd have certainly taken him before then

If some one else selected him, the patriots would have simply taken the next guy on their board and moved on without even thinking twice about Tom what's his name. The Pats are lauded for finding this guy in the 6th round when it was basically pot luck!
It's not like they sat down in the war room and said "Alright, we're going to get our franchise QB in the 6th round, that's priority #1. Tom Brady is OUR man! Who else do we want?"

Yeah.... They already had Drew Bledsoe as there guy... Brady was a guy on there board but they had other needs they needed to fill before they would consider what would essentially be a back up QB.

It was basically a speculator... Only one person at the time knew what they had just drafted... And that was Tom Brady.

I love it that a 6th round back up QB would have the balls to tell the owner that he would be the best decision that his franchise would ever make.... :lol:

 

[legend]

Brady without question is the greatest QB of the modern era and Manning isn't even close IMO. There's no way Manning could do what Brady did yesterday. hope he retires for his own sake and that of the Broncos.

 

[shiznit]

Brady without question is the greatest QB of the modern era and Manning isn't even close IMO. There's no way Manning could do what Brady did yesterday. hope he retires for his own sake and that of the Broncos.

Don't worry Legend... Derek Carr's just getting started...

 

[zombie jesus]

NFC was strong tjo so to get there was pretty hard

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