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2016 NFL Wild Card Discussion

Tom155

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Could someone please explained what happened with this.

Brown was KO'd on the ground, so I went out of the run to do something quickly, then I seen Jones was flagged.

Brown was down & being attended to, there was a group of Bengals players well away from Brown & for some reason Porter went up to them & started talking shit to them, it looked like Jones slapped Porters hand away when he got flagged.

The Bengals were the only ones flagged which is ridiculous because Porter not only should have never have gone over to the Bengals players he shouldn't have been on the field at all. The Steelers got a fair few lucky breaks with calls today, the game certainly livened up afterward.

I have to agree on Burfict half a brain is being generous, absolutely no need to hit Brown like he did, cost his team in the end.
 

Dogs Of War

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We sort of can't win staff wise. Both Jackson and Gunther are being courted. So no matter what's happens we are replacing two coaches.
 

aqua_duck

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The Steelers are basically a protected franchise, not excusing moron burfict but the Steelers are grubs but they never get more than a slap on the wrist if that. People like to talk about the Bengals indiscretions but they ignore all the shit the steelers do, whole coaching staff are absolute grubs, from Munchak pulling a guys hair to Joey Porter being on the field when he had to business being on the field (probably learnt from Tomlin). Last season one of the steelers scrubs hit Kevin Huber (the punter)with a hit way worse than Burfict that broke Huber's jaw and wasn't even so much flagged, this season you had steelers players making death threats on twitter and NFL did nothing about it.
 

Dogs Of War

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Why wasn't Steelers linebacker Ryan Shazier penalized for a hit that appeared to knock out Bengals running back Giovani Bernard?

In short, Shazier should have been.

With 1:43 remaining in the third quarter, Bernard made a two-yard catch and took enough steps to become a runner -- thus stripping his protection as a defenseless receiver. Shazier, however, then lowered his head and hit Bernard's helmet. Shazier could have done so legally under certain circumstances, but he made at least one and possibly two mistakes on this play that should have been penalized.

The first was a violation of NFL Rule 12, Section 2, Article 6(i), which defines unnecessary roughness as "using any part of a player's helmet or facemask to butt, spear or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily." Given the force of Shazier's hit, it would be hard to argue against that definition.

Second, it's debatable whether Shazier could have been penalized for initiating contact with the crown of his helmet outside of the tackle box, a violation of Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8. The rule defines the tackle box as "an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team's end line." Per the unofficial game statistics, Bernard was two yards beyond the line of scrimmage.

In either event, Bernard lost a fumble on the play. A call for either of these penalties would have returned the ball to the Bengals.

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Kevin Seifert
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For nearly three quarters on Saturday night, referee John Parry and his crew kept a lid on extracurricular activity at Paul Brown Stadium. The Pittsburgh Steelers and Cincinnati Bengals were still intense and had plenty to say to each other, but the floodgates opened with one especially brutal hit late in the third quarter -- one that transformed the game into a mess of dirty and angry play that ultimately made the difference in the Steelers' 18-16 victory in the wild-card playoffs.

As we all try to process exactly what happened, let's trace the major events from that point on in a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) format.

Why wasn't Steelers linebacker Ryan Shazier penalized for a hit that appeared to knock out Bengals running back Giovani Bernard?

In short, Shazier should have been.

With 1:43 remaining in the third quarter, Bernard made a two-yard catch and took enough steps to become a runner -- thus stripping his protection as a defenseless receiver. Shazier, however, then lowered his head and hit Bernard's helmet. Shazier could have done so legally under certain circumstances, but he made at least one and possibly two mistakes on this play that should have been penalized.

The first was a violation of NFL Rule 12, Section 2, Article 6(i), which defines unnecessary roughness as "using any part of a player's helmet or facemask to butt, spear or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily." Given the force of Shazier's hit, it would be hard to argue against that definition.

Second, it's debatable whether Shazier could have been penalized for initiating contact with the crown of his helmet outside of the tackle box, a violation of Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8. The rule defines the tackle box as "an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team's end line." Per the unofficial game statistics, Bernard was two yards beyond the line of scrimmage.

In either event, Bernard lost a fumble on the play. A call for either of these penalties would have returned the ball to the Bengals.


Vontaze Burfict could have easily been flagged for running up the tunnel after intercepting Landry Jones. EPA/MARK LYONS
Why wasn't Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict penalized for an excessive celebration?

With 1:36 remaining in the game, Burfict intercepted Steelers quarterback Landry Jones, was ruled down by contact and then ran 85 yards in the other direction and into the tunnel of the stadium. Several teammates followed him.

Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1(e) prohibits two or more players from "engaging in prolonged, excessive, premeditated or choreographed celebrations or demonstrations." Article 1(d) of that rule defines excessive or prolonged as celebrations that continue after a warning from an official.

Because Burfict was on the move all the way into the tunnel, the guess here is that no official had a chance to give him a warning.

How will the NFL react to Burfict's hit on Steelers receiver Antonio Brown?

With 22 seconds remaining in the game, Burfict threw a shoulder into Brown's helmet as Brown stretched for the ball. It was a clear violation of the NFL's rule against hitting the head of defenseless receivers, and Parry's crew penalized Burfict 15 yards.

He is a repeat offender here, having been fined nearly $70,000 for hits and penalties in the Bengals' Week 14 game against the Steelers. Given the continued pattern, and the egregious nature of his hit on Brown, it wouldn't be a surprise if Burfict is suspended to start the 2016 season.

Why was Steelers assistant coach Joey Porter on the field after the hit on Brown?

It is not unusual for coaches to check on injured players, but typically that's done by the head coach or a player's position coach. Porter was neither in this case, of course, and someone on Parry's crew should have directed him off the field.

Given the intensity of emotions for both teams as Brown lay on the ground, it's not surprising that Parry's crew prioritized other potential flare-ups. But Porter soon found himself in the middle of the jawing that eventually provoked Bengals cornerback Adam Jones to commit a penalty that gave the Steelers an easy game-winning field goal.

What did Jones do?

Parry announced only that Jones had engaged in unsportsmanlike conduct, and a review of the television broadcast video was not conclusive. Jones appeared to be yelling at Porter at a time when Parry, umpire Mark Pellis and field judge Buddy Horton were all in between Porter and Jones.

As Jones became angrier, he might have bumped Horton's back. Even if he didn't, Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1(b) prohibits the use of "abusive, threatening or insulting language."

What could Parry's crew have done differently?

Parry was the referee for the teams' Week 14 slugfest, and he was clearly prepared for high intensity and emotion Saturday night. Members of his crew stood at the 50-yard line during pregame warmups to avoid any fights. Together, the officials called a total of 19 penalties during the course of the game -- including four for unsportsmanlike conduct and three for unnecessary roughness.

But the failure to make a call on Shazier's third-quarter hit seemed to raise emotions to a higher level. The game quickly got out of hand. Parry would have been more than justified for ejecting Burfict following the hit on Brown, but that play was too late in the game to regain any control.

These teams walked onto the field in a simmering cauldron of violence, and it didn't take much for it to boil over.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...c-fourth-quarter-of-calls-in-steelers-bengals

Really it comes down to that hit on Bernard. That's what put the game into that zone.
 

aqua_duck

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We sort of can't win staff wise. Both Jackson and Gunther are being courted. So no matter what's happens we are replacing two coaches.

For me Zimmer should've been the head coach from last season. Things have gone on for too long with Marvin Lewis now, if you put this game in a vacuum, Marvin definitely doesn't deserve to be fired but unfortunately enough is enough.
 

kurt faulk

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how is it the rams are always called dirty when these two grubby teams are in the league? i'm not sure why they're called dirty at all, because they hit hard legally? they've done nothing close to what happened in that game today.

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aqua_duck

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Rams aren't a dirty team at all, to me the dirty teams are these two, Seattle and whatever team Suh is on
 

Frederick

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The Steelers are basically a protected franchise, not excusing moron burfict but the Steelers are grubs but they never get more than a slap on the wrist if that. People like to talk about the Bengals indiscretions but they ignore all the shit the steelers do, whole coaching staff are absolute grubs, from Munchak pulling a guys hair to Joey Porter being on the field when he had to business being on the field (probably learnt from Tomlin). Last season one of the steelers scrubs hit Kevin Huber (the punter)with a hit way worse than Burfict that broke Huber's jaw and wasn't even so much flagged, this season you had steelers players making death threats on twitter and NFL did nothing about it.

Really it comes down to that hit on Bernard. That's what put the game into that zone.

Two words, protected species. It's been an embarrassment the way the league has handled the tensions between these two team this season

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Ron Jeremy

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Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora5h5 hours ago
As reported before the game, if Bengals did make a head coaching move, defensive coordinator Paul Guenther would be top internal candidate..

I would be stunned if that would happen. Hue is hc material., and imo has that it factor about him imo.
 

Shorty

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The Steelers are basically a protected franchise, not excusing moron burfict but the Steelers are grubs but they never get more than a slap on the wrist if that. People like to talk about the Bengals indiscretions but they ignore all the shit the steelers do, whole coaching staff are absolute grubs, from Munchak pulling a guys hair to Joey Porter being on the field when he had to business being on the field (probably learnt from Tomlin). Last season one of the steelers scrubs hit Kevin Huber (the punter)with a hit way worse than Burfict that broke Huber's jaw and wasn't even so much flagged, this season you had steelers players making death threats on twitter and NFL did nothing about it.

Don't forget their sexual predator QB!
They'll get done in the next round anyway.
 

Frederick

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