Can we learn something from super rugby?

[Perth Red]

We should learn something from afl expansion. 60k turned up in an NRL city this weekend for a finals game between two expansion clubs. How the frick can they get it so right and we get it so wrong?

 

[carcharias]

Because some people prefer to watch shit sports.
Take England for example
They all watch soccer... Pffftt
Bunch of pussys

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

We should learn something from afl expansion. 60k turned up in an NRL city this weekend for a finals game between two expansion clubs. How the frick can they get it so right and we get it so wrong?

Paid advertisements and expat Victorians. It's not support, it's peak curiosity.

 

[BuffaloRules]

They were getting 70k crowds to finals games in Sydney 10 years ago.

Why are they going backwards with two teams?

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Swans fans, free tickets.

Voila.

Plus every second nrl fan chucks a wobbly and goes off to another sport.

 

[taipan]

We should learn something from afl expansion. 60k turned up in an NRL city this weekend for a finals game between two expansion clubs. How the frick can they get it so right and we get it so wrong?

Perhaps the Brisbane Lions and GC Suns may be able to offer a different answer.Negatively I would suggest.That is not getting it right.
The answer is spend $20m pa in addition to grants .Load your new clubs with the best young players and a couple of expensive stars,and stuff the rest.

 

[Marlins]

Once the stadia in Sydney is complete crowds will rise again.

 

[taipan]

Once the stadia in Sydney is complete crowds will rise again.

Once Parra and ANZ stadium are made perfect for rectangular codes,the numbers will rise.Plus the nRL getting scheduling control back in 2018 will also help.
And the Eel and Dragons having a good run.

IMO the Panthers and Dogs would have got a far bigger crowd at ANZ than the SFS,for obvious distance reasons

 

[Marlins]

Once Parra and ANZ stadium are made perfect for rectangular codes,the numbers will rise.Plus the nRL getting scheduling control back in 2018 will also help.
And the Eel and Dragons having a good run.

IMO the Panthers and Dogs would have got a far bigger crowd at ANZ than the SFS,for obvious distance reasons

Do you know what the reason was for playing at SFS

 

[Perth Red]

NRL has been well embarrrassed in Sydney this weekend. The comparison between ANZ and today's crowd at Allianz is stark.

 

[Perth Red]

Perhaps the Brisbane Lions and GC Suns may be able to offer a different answer.Negatively I would suggest.That is not getting it right.
The answer is spend $20m pa in addition to grants .Load your new clubs with the best young players and a couple of expensive stars,and stuff the rest.

How come with all storms success we haven't seen the same for NRL in Melbourne? If it was just down to on field success surely storm would be second best supported club in NRL? Is there no expat nsw folk in Melbourne?

 

[taipan]

How come with all storms success we haven't seen the same for NRL in Melbourne? If it was just down to on field success surely storm would be second best supported club in NRL? Is there no expat nsw folk in Melbourne?

First: The Melbourne media gives stuff all coverage to the club and top the NRL.
Second;The NRL doesn't have the money like the AFL does to smash on promotion and BS fluff stories.
Third: Their memberships,sponsorship are up.Their junior base growing year by year,so there is some good being done.
Fourth;If you remember rightly the Swans struggled with ave crowds around 10,000 in Sydney,and it was only the SL war and them getting into the semis and all the marketing and money backing that gave them a lift up.
Fifth:The Lions had 3 premierships now look at them now.They had plenty of media coverage and promotion.
Sixth:The Swans have been in Sydney since 1982,the Storm in Melbourne since 1998.They have 16 years up .

The Storm will be far better placed when they get the new monies from 2018.
You think the Salary Cap debacle for the Storm helped them? It put them back somewhat,.

 

[taipan]

NRL has been well embarrrassed in Sydney this weekend. The comparison between ANZ and today's crowd at Allianz is stark.

As a fumbler lover,I can understand why you would say that.They only got 157,000 on Sydney Tv ratings.hardly trouser blowing material.
I guess the Vic media and AFL were embarrassed when SOO got over 90,000 mid week at the G.When AFL clowns stated they would be lucky to get 50,000.

Having that semi at the SFS was just plain dumb,I'm surprised they got the number they did.What was wrong with ANZ ?But of course you would not know that,living half a planet away.

 

[taipan]

Do you know what the reason was for playing at SFS

Some deal that has been going on for some time.I have NFI who did it.It's plain dumb.
Taking a game away from two Sydney teams kms away from the SFS.Of course the NRL would argue ANZ is the Dog's home ground.That is BS as the G/F is played there.
They would have got an extra 5- 10,000 at ANZ.

 

[Perth Red]

Some deal that has been going on for some time.I have NFI who did it.It's plain dumb.
Taking a game away from two Sydney teams kms away from the SFS.Of course the NRL would argue ANZ is the Dog's home ground.That is BS as the G/F is played there.
They would have got an extra 5- 10,000 at ANZ.

Would have looked even worse!

 

[taipan]

Would have looked even worse!

One minute you bang on about crowd numbers,the next you bang on about it looking worse.
It's what comes out in the final tally in the crowds.Whether it looks worse or not.The crowds are used as the bragging rights.
May have looked worse,but if they got 30-35,000 at least the code is able to say it's more than they would have got at the SFS.And 30,000 plus at ANZ doesn't look much worse than a small SFS with empty tops and ends.Who knows with the fickle Dog's fans they may have got 35-40,000
The sooner ANZ is made rectangular half of the crowd issues would be solved.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

I reckon we throw caution to the wind.

f**k it!!! Lots go full (genius?) on!

We bring in Brisbane 2, Perth, Adelaide and another NZ side with an eye to getting a team relocated from Sydney to one of these said locations and then bring in PNG too.

We play a 20 round season of 10 Home and 10 Away games. 10 games a week for 20 weeks is 200 games, which is more than the 190-something we play now over 26 rounds.

We have 3 dedicated weekends in the middle of the season for State of Origin (NSW and QLD), with minor WA vs SA etc and/or NZ North vs NZ South (or some such, someone can tell me a fair split of NZ Origin) games attached to the weekend and with a rotating stable of venues - ANZ, Suncorp, Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Auckland.

We have 1-3 dedicated weekends in the middle of the season after SOO for National Reps with weekends fully set up for Aust vs Eng vs NZ vs PNG vs Tonga vs Samoa vs Fiji and who ever else.

The Finals series is the Top 8 as it is OR a Top 8, with the 7 best performing teams on the ladder and the best team from the final 6 weeks of the comp entered as a WILD CARD.

Get the best promotion and match day people from around the world in to. Get Fox to bankroll the how shebang. Get FTA TV Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights with Fox getting Super Saturdays or Sundays of 4 games straight.

I could go on but I'm running out of phone battery.

 

[adamkungl]

Perth
Wellington/Brisbane
ASAP

Brisbane/Wellington
Adelaide
within 10 years

Christchurch
QLD 5 / Melbourne 2
within 20 years

It's really f**king simple. Have a goal, plan and execute.

Bonus points if we push Dragons, Manly, Tigers to base in Wollongong, Central Coast, and Campbeltown.

 

[jim_57]

Ideal scenario in 10-15 years time IMO.

NRL

• Current 16 teams + Brisbane 2, Perth & NZ 2.
• Clubs adopting "2nd homes" and playing annual games there either home or "away". Roosters - Central Coast, Eels - Darwin, Cowboys - Cairns, Storm - Hobart, Souths - Adelaide etc.
• Clubs aiming to grow their brands and International RL by partnering with overseas RL associations to play trial games (regular season games if viable) and create professional pathways for local players. South Africa, Pacific Islands, Japan etc.

QLD Cup

• Current teams + Toowoomba, Darwin/NT & PNG 2.
• All clubs fielding junior teams in State comps.
• All teams linked with NRL clubs. Maximum 3 per NRL club.

NSW Cup

• + Fiji, Melbourne, Perth, NZ 2 & 3, Country NSW
• Split in to Conferences
• 3 NZ based teams to partner with Samoa, Tonga, Hawaii & Cook Islands RL for professional pathways & occasional games.
• Fiji to partner with Solomon Islands, Vanuatu etc.

I feel like that is most of Australia, NZ & the Pacific covered and all reasonably achievable. Get all this in place and watch the game flourish throughout the whole Australia/Pacific area.

 

[flippikat]

For goodness sake, why is it that we can see the opportunities, but the actual administrators can't - or just too blinkered and stubborn in their ways to look beyond what we have now?