Rumours and Stuff

[TheRam]

Just stick with the chilled out new testament and what a man called Jesus Christ said. The old testament is just filled with violent fables.

And a very jealous God.

 

[TheRam]

Everyone has a "religion". Have a think about 'self-evident' truths and why they aren't evident to everyone.

What does that mean. Are you trying bring out the old chestnut, that atheism is also a religion, in a round about sneaky way?

Cos if so, that's a load of horse shit. It's like saying that if any group of people don't believe in any other group of peoples belief system, that the non believers are in some kind of cult for not believing.

Example, if you and others believe in the purple playdough goose fairy God and I and others don't believe anything of the sort, we the non believers are now in our own religion. Say what? That's the dumbest logic ever!

By simply not believing in something does not create a religion.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Everyone has personal "beliefs". A "religion" is something (collective) that you follow or identify as belonging to.

Exactly. So any shared values system that is irrationally sacrosanct is a religion.

 

[TheRam]

Everyone has personal "beliefs". A "religion" is something (collective) that you follow or identify as belonging to.

Oh then we must all be in a religion called Parra!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What does that mean. Are you trying bring out the old chestnut, that atheism is also a religion, in a round about sneaky way?

Cos if so, that's a load of horse shit. It's like saying that if any group of people don't believe in any other group of peoples belief system, that the non believers are in some kind of cult for not believing.

Example, if you and others believe in the purple playdough goose fairy God and I and others don't believe anything of the sort, we the non believers are now in our own religion. Say what? That's the dumbest logic ever!

By simply not believing in something does not create a religion.

Atheism itself isn't a religion, as you say, but whatever shared value system atheists adopt (secular humanism, communism, social darwinism, Chinese nationalism, etc) is most certainly a religion.

 

[TheRam]

Atheism itself isn't a religion, as you say, but whatever shared value system atheists adopt (secular humanism, communism, social darwinism, Chinese nationalism, etc) is most certainly a religion.

Like I said, horse shit. I just don't believe in the after life. When we die, we just simple cease to exist. Even if I am wrong, which I don't believe I am, I am still not in any religious group for not giving a f**k about the after life nonsense , in my opinion, that others believe in.

 

[TheRam]

By the way, how is Darwinism a religion? It is no more a religion as saying the earth goes round the sun ffs, or 3 + 3 = 6.
It's science or maths. Not faith that something is real.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Like I said, horse shit. I just don't believe in the after life. When we die, we just simple cease to exist. Even if I am wrong, which I don't believe I am, I am still not in any religious group for not giving a f**k about the after life nonsense , in my opinion, that others believe in.

You don't need to believe in the afterlife or the supernatural to adhere to a religion.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

By the way, how is Darwinism a religion? It is no more a religion as saying the earth goes round the sun ffs, or 3 + 3 = 6.
It's science or maths. Not faith that something is real.

I said social darwinism you dumb merkin. If you're too uninformed to know the difference you have no right pretending your beliefs about the afterlife make you superior.

'Dur hur I believe in science and maths and conspiracy theories'. f**king moron.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

People who believe in conspiracy theories are idiots.

 

[84 Baby]

Atheism itself isn't a religion, as you say, but whatever shared value system atheists adopt (secular humanism, communism, social darwinism, Chinese nationalism, etc) is most certainly a religion.

Wrong. Religion isn't just a shared value system, it relies on faith in a higher power. Those other systems rely on adherence to man made rules

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Wrong. Religion isn't just a shared value system, it relies on faith in a higher power. Those other systems rely on adherence to man made rules

However those who don't believe in a higher power will tell you it is also man made. And likewise, those who fervently believe in secular religions will tell you their beliefs are self evident or rational or natural.

 

[84 Baby]

However those who don't believe in a higher power will tell you it is also man made. And likewise, those who fervently believe in secular religions will tell you their beliefs are self evident or rational or natural.

The higher power doesn't need to be factual, the religion just needs faith. Whereas "secular religions" have testable and changeable beliefs. Either you're confusing fanaticism for religion or believing in something as religion

 

[emjaycee]

I am getting a headache with all this religion, darwinism, secular deity stuff.

All i want to know is whether following the Eels is the same as going to church?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The higher power doesn't need to be factual, the religion just needs faith.

Every religion has faith. Whether that is faith in human nature to build the best society or faith in science to fully understand the human experience.

Whereas "secular religions" have testable and changeable beliefs.

Every religion has changeable beliefs - look at the many branches of Christianity. Even Islam of today (any of the various forms) bears little resemblance to Islam of a thousand or even a hundred years ago.

Either you're confusing fanaticism for religion or believing in something as religion

I am talking about shared values with their foundations in faith - that is anything that is unproven. Fanaticism is just the ugly side of this, and doesn't require belief in the supernatural.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I am getting a headache with all this religion, darwinism, secular deity stuff.

All i want to know is whether following the Eels is the same as going to church?

Do you have faith the Eels will ever win another premiership?

 

[Gronk]

People who believe in conspiracy theories are idiots.

 

[Avenger]

And I must not be that right because if it was up to me all education would be public and all funding to elite private schools would cease immediately. I know why we fund them because they are apparently easing the pressure off the system etc but I find Govt handouts to these schools abhorrent when I see some kids still attending schools in demountables and asbestos infested shit holes with no air conditioning.

 

[emjaycee]

Do you have faith the Eels will ever win another premiership?

Yes, yes, I believe.

 

[The Phelan Folly]

Atheism itself isn't a religion, as you say, but whatever shared value system atheists adopt (secular humanism, communism, social darwinism, Chinese nationalism, etc) is most certainly a religion.

I think you need to reassess your grasp on the meaning of the word religion