Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[herbert henry1908]

When have we lost anyone we have wanted to keep though? We have high player changeover but often it is to replace them with someone internally.

They have 8 from their top 17 off contract end of the season. Very similar situation to us.

Souths have 5 or 6 key guys off too. Including Latrell and Reynolds

Storm have 4 or 5 key guys not locked up

It is part of recruitment dragged out deals.

In the past we used the long term deal strategy to retain key players, that’s now costing us dearly.

It looks like we’ve lost Laurie who I’m sure we would’ve wanted to keep, we lost Tamou who we at least wanted for another year, and I say it’s likely we’ll lose at least one more player we want to keep.

 

[WestyLife]

Blackmailing the club? He's got a contract which we gave to him & now we're trying to offload him midway through it. I reckon he has a right to be upset at the club for trying to get out of their obligations - if we were in the same position any of us would be. Lets not buy the line 'we're doing what's best for the player', the clubs overcommitted their cap on other players & are now trying to free up salary cap.

Also, Staines has played 2 games & was injured the majority of last year. Lets not act like Mansours been holding him back for years now. Mansour also had a great year & deserved his position, calling Staines a 'superior talent' is a bit of an early crow.

He was told he wasn't first choice and given the option to go if he wanted a better deal particular for multiple years. He could easily stay for 2021 he'd just be behind To'o and Staines.

I said that because you said Staines is better and Mansour's advantage is the cultural side of things off field.

Edit: also people on this forum have been warning Staines would take someone's spot for a few years. It's not new.

 

[Fangs]

Aloiai wants a new club. Would piss the Tigers off if we signed him. I say go for it.

 

[franklin2323]

He was told he wasn't first choice and given the option to go if he wanted a better deal particular for multiple years. He could easily stay for 2021 he'd just be behind To'o and Staines.

I said that because you said Staines is better and Mansour's advantage is the cultural side of things off field.

Edit: also people on this forum have been warning Staines would take someone's spot for a few years. It's not new.

Alex Johnston got told the same thing... yet stayed and fight ended up getting a new deal

 

[mxlegend99]

How is that better when we’re already paying 500k+ for two players to play elsewhere?!

We can’t afford to keep paying to move guys on, Gus model was absolute dog shit. And it’s a big reason why the current management are struggling to keep the guys we want.

Gus wouldnt have copped us paying so much for anyone to play elsewhere.

The likes of Cartwright, Moylan, Peachey, CHN etc. Were off our books completely. Gus was better at negotiating. He was well respected and had connections.

As i said it wasnt perfect. But you cant blame decisions made after Gus left on him. You cant know how any of his contracts play out if he's still here.

Blake was on $500k after showing more than Crichton did in his 2016 and 2027 seasons. Crichton knocks back $500k to try milking us for more and this kid supposedly loves the club and has family wanting him to stay.

Crichton is a talent but he's deadset massively overrated so far. He hasn't looked anymore special in his first full season at centre than Blake did. Blake was just as dangerous in attack but a hell of a lot better in defence back then too.

$500k is paying for his potential. Paying more than that should be for an established superstar. I can understand the club thinking he would honour his agreement. For that reason i would be tempted to tell him to f**k off. Its a lose lose situation for us. Under Gus we never got stuck in this position. He just worked his magic and found our unwanted players a home elsewhere.he had to work backwards to get under the cap. But its better than having no idea where we stand when negotiating with so many players.

Again its not perfect. Ideally we find a happy medium. We should never have been in position to have half our team off contract after our most successful season in nearly 2 decades. Losing a couple of guys is inevitable for any team that isn't Roosters. Losing as many as we have while still trying to lock guys in was poor management.

 

[franklin2323]

Gus wouldnt have copped us paying so much for anyone to play elsewhere.

The likes of Cartwright, Moylan, Peachey, CHN etc. Were off our books completely. Gus was better at negotiating. He was well respected and had connections.

As i said it wasnt perfect. But you cant blame decisions made after Gus left on him. You cant know how any of his contracts play out if he's still here.

Blake was on $500k after showing more than Crichton did in his 2016 and 2027 seasons. Crichton knocks back $500k to try milking us for more and this kid supposedly loves the club and has family wanting him to stay.

Crichton is a talent but he's deadset massively overrated so far. He hasn't looked anymore special in his first full season at centre than Blake did. Blake was just as dangerous in attack but a hell of a lot better in defence back then too.

$500k is paying for his potential. Paying more than that should be for an established superstar. I can understand the club thinking he would honour his agreement. For that reason i would be tempted to tell him to f**k off. Its a lose lose situation for us. Under Gus we never got stuck in this position. He just worked his magic and found our unwanted players a home elsewhere.he had to work backwards to get under the cap. But its better than having no idea where we stand when negotiating with so many players.

Again its not perfect. Ideally we find a happy medium. We should never have been in position to have half our team off contract after our most successful season in nearly 2 decades. Losing a couple of guys is inevitable for any team that isn't Roosters. Losing as many as we have while still trying to lock guys in was poor management.

Ayoub is Cotric's manager he got him $600k with very limited centre experience. So of course he is going to push for the same for his new client in Crichton

 

[WestyLife]

Alex Johnston got told the same thing... yet stayed and fight ended up getting a new deal

Exactly. Nothing stopping Mansour from doing that.

 

[mxlegend99]

Ayoub is Cotric's manager he got him $600k with very limited centre experience. So of course he is going to push for the same for his new client in Crichton

Crichton might be worth $600k one day. But he's not worth it today.

If we could keep Burton for $300k I would keep him over Crichton as an unproven centre. Bulldogs offering Burton $400k. No idea what our offer is but even at $400k you've got a guy with loads of potential who can definitely cover half, potentially cover fullback and no reason to think he couldn't be a gun centre.

Storm after being done cheating chose Inglis as the expendable one of the big 4. We dont have the 1, 7 and 9 they did obviously. But when the two most successful clubs of the past 2 decades both let better centres than Crichton go to manage their cap it probably proves no centre is worth destroying your cap for

Unless we play to move him to fullback. Where he can be worth that money. But that looks like the path Staines is on.

 

[franklin2323]

Crichton might be worth $600k one day. But he's not worth it today.

If we could keep Burton for $300k I would keep him over Crichton as an unproven centre. Bulldogs offering Burton $400k. No idea what our offer is but even at $400k you've got a guy with loads of potential who can definitely cover half, potentially cover fullback and no reason to think he couldn't be a gun centre.

Storm after being done cheating chose Inglis as the expendable one of the big 4. We dont have the 1, 7 and 9 they did obviously. But when the two most successful clubs of the past 2 decades both let better centres than Crichton go to manage their cap it probably proves no centre is worth destroying your cap for

Unless we play to move him to fullback. Where he can be worth that money. But that looks like the path Staines is on.

We aren't talking about right now. Would he be in 2022 or 2023 when the deal starts?

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Exactly. Nothing stopping Mansour from doing that.

Exactly.....instead we have this 'it's all about me' thing going on. Yes Josh I know you stayed for less money.

No Josh that doesn't give you the right to carry on because you believe you've been slighted in this, and by this behaviour influence the young kids around you.

You've been a wonderful clubman mate, love you to pieces. Please don't rarnish this image.

 

[MugaB]

Blown off the park by 2 penalty goals (assuming Cleary converts his try)? C'mon we likely win comfortably if we played at 50% of what we're capable of. I don't think the GF proved we need to change our current set up to look like another team.

I'm not looking at Mansour re-signing purely for his football ability, Staines may be a better footballing option at this point of his career, but I think the implications are far greater getting rid of Mansour as opposed to letting Staines sign elsewhere for an exuberant amount of money. Mansour is clearly the centre of the playing group & the comradery that flows from that. Giving him the boot (which IMO shows a real lack of loyalty) gives the impression anyone can get the boot, so from hereon in why wouldn't the players look after themselves first & take the cash?

& I'm definitely not saying sign Mansour for what he's on now, but I'd at least make it look like we were attempting to re-sign him or come to a compromise.

ManSour is the butt of all these guys jokes, just as trent merrin a few years ago, i think you're over exaggerating his worth to the whole team, i could easily see Tamous exit a more damaging factor to the teams dynamics, josh isnt a priority, as far as the Glue! IT'S romy we need to lock up for that, no one else matters, we can have a bunch of busted cheap 2nd graders in at wings and centres, but our spine, and forwards are key, and especially Jerome

 

[mxlegend99]

We aren't talking about right now. Would he be in 2022 or 2023 when the deal starts?

He's signing that contract now. He could go and have the best pre-season any player has ever had and have an unreal season where he has clubs throwing millions at him.

Or he could do his ACL. Miss the whole season and never kick on from what he has shown.

Every decision a club makes is a gamble. Right now I dont think hes worth gambling that much..but obviously other clubs will be desperate and willing to do so. We cant afford to match these clubs for a centre.

 

[MugaB]

He's signing that contract now. He could go and have the best pre-season any player has ever had and have an unreal season where he has clubs throwing millions at him.

Or he could do his ACL. Miss the whole season and never kick on from what he has shown.

Every decision a club makes is a gamble. Right now I dont think hes worth gambling that much..but obviously other clubs will be desperate and willing to do so. We cant afford to match these clubs for a centre.

I reckon he'll be our fullback, in a season 22 for the money

 

[herbert henry1908]

Gus wouldnt have copped us paying so much for anyone to play elsewhere.

The likes of Cartwright, Moylan, Peachey, CHN etc. Were off our books completely. Gus was better at negotiating. He was well respected and had connections.
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Then those guys would’ve likely stayed at Penrith, or we would’ve traded them for someone else. So it’s the same outcome in terms of making it difficult to retain the current young talent.


A few notes on the guys you mentioned

- Cartwright requested a full release to leave Sydney because of personal issues. Gus got lucky there, was nothing to do with his negotiating skills.

- Peachey was released with only one year to go, of course we didn’t have to pay for him to play elsewhere.

- CHN was never signed to a long term deal


Moylan is the only one Gus did something special with. It was a smart deal trading him for Maloney, I give him credit there. But his overall strategy of signing players to long term deals was always very dangerous, even if you think Gus wouldn’t have paid as much for RCG and Blake to play elsewhere, there was always a high risk that Gus’ long term deals were going to have to be dealt with by future management.


You can’t run your recruitment & retention strategy based solely on one person’s negotiating skills, that’s totally irresponsible.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Ayoub is Cotric's manager he got him $600k with very limited centre experience. So of course he is going to push for the same for his new client in Crichton

Cotric was a star centre in NYC, he would’ve been playing more centre for Canberra if they didn’t have high quality centres already.

 

[WestyLife]

I reckon he'll be our fullback, in a season 22 for the money

He'll have to if $500k wasn't enough. Club's were skeptical of paying JAC that kind of money and he's the best winger in the game right now who would've been tried at Fullback.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Blake was on $500k after showing more than Crichton did in his 2016 and 2027 seasons. Crichton knocks back $500k to try milking us for more and this kid supposedly loves the club and has family wanting him to stay.

Crichton is a talent but he's deadset massively overrated so far. He hasn't looked anymore special in his first full season at centre than Blake did. Blake was just as dangerous in attack but a hell of a lot better in defence back then too.

Just wanted to reply to this separately.

Crichton scored more tries this year, in a shortened season, than Blake scored in 2016 & 2017 combined. Crichton has easily shown more than Blake, his hands and try scoring ability make him a clear class above Waqa Blake.

 

[franklin2323]

He's signing that contract now. He could go and have the best pre-season any player has ever had and have an unreal season where he has clubs throwing millions at him.

Or he could do his ACL. Miss the whole season and never kick on from what he has shown.

Every decision a club makes is a gamble. Right now I dont think hes worth gambling that much..but obviously other clubs will be desperate and willing to do so. We cant afford to match these clubs for a centre.

He is but he could also move into fullback during the deal too and then that case he is on unders. It is the gamble both sides take

 

[herbert henry1908]

He is but he could also move into fullback during the deal too and then that case he is on unders. It is the gamble both sides take

He could, but it’s not even clear he’s our preferred option at fullback long term. And it was only a few weeks ago you were arguing that it should remain Edwards position.

 

[franklin2323]

He could, but it’s not even clear he’s our preferred option at fullback long term. And it was only a few weeks ago you were arguing that it should remain Edwards position.

Short term yes but if Edwards doesn't improve then who knows. If Burton carves up at centre. Then we may be looking to find a way to get Naden or someone into the side.

So you sign him with plans being as a centre but doesn't mean he doesn't get moved