The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[baselinepanther]

The money for stadiums should go to upgrading Hunter stadium to 40k fully seated before it goes to any more of these suburban Sydney stadiums. There are plenty of stadiums in Sydney.

putting grandstands at either end would make it arguably the best rectangle facility in NSW..
as good as bankwest , only bigger

 

[baselinepanther]

one piece of the national rectangle venue puzzle not yet sorted , is the indoor rectangle venue for Canberra. I haven't seen much said about it for a while now , Barr said we'd have it sometime in the first half of this decade .. so I'd think we'd need a wriggle on to get it built.
Civic is the favoured site , near the east bound lanes of parksway.

Lets get it done.

 

[T-Boon]

putting grandstands at either end would make it arguably the best rectangle facility in NSW..
as good as bankwest , only bigger

Exactly and it would be good for tourism with big teams (Liverpool etc) coming out here spending an extra few days in NSW with a game in Sydney then a game in Newcastle.

 

[mongoose]

one piece of the national rectangle venue puzzle not yet sorted , is the indoor rectangle venue for Canberra. I haven't seen much said about it for a while now , Barr said we'd have it sometime in the first half of this decade .. so I'd think we'd need a wriggle on to get it built.
Civic is the favoured site , near the east bound lanes of parksway.

Lets get it done.

they need to somehow prove that Bruce stadium is a death trap like they did with the SFS

 

[The Great Dane]

one piece of the national rectangle venue puzzle not yet sorted , is the indoor rectangle venue for Canberra. I haven't seen much said about it for a while now , Barr said we'd have it sometime in the first half of this decade .. so I'd think we'd need a wriggle on to get it built.
Civic is the favoured site , near the east bound lanes of parksway.

Lets get it done.

It's not going to happen anytime soon, definitely not in the first half of this decade.

Both parties know that there really isn't space for it in Civic anymore, and that even if they did try to squash it onto the Civic Pool site there's not enough space to build a big enough stadium to meet the cities needs. It would also be prohibitively expensive and extremely disruptive to the city, and they can't really afford to do that while they are also building the second phase of light rail through the city.

So now Labour is trying to buy time in the hope that it'll become palatable to stakeholders for it to be built in another location where there's more space, such as the current site in Bruce or at Epic. It won't work because building it in Bruce or at Epic won't fix any of the major problems with the stadium, but they'll try to convince everybody anyway.

On top of all that, both parties, but particularly Labour, also really want to build an oval, and think that if they procrastinate enough that they might be able to convince the major stakeholders around to the idea as well.
Of course that won't work because a "multipurpose" stadium would destroy the Raiders and Brumbies business (you're in relocation territory if that happens), but the government doesn't want to have to spend the money to maintain two major stadiums if they can avoid it, and Labour also seems to want to do everything in their power to build Canberra in Melbourne's image. Barr also dreams of appeasing the AFL enough that they give Canberra it's own AFL team, which will also never happen for a bunch of reasons.

Basically the whole situation is a shit show and the only way Canberra gets a new stadium this decade is if either the federal government steps in with federal funding, which almost certainly won't happen, or if some of the major sports step in and actively try to force the governments hand, which is also pretty unlikely and if one did it would probably be the AFL which would be bad for the rectangular sports.

 

[baselinepanther]

yes ...this is an artists impression of how it would look in civic .. yes its jammed up at the sthn end ... but im not gunna lie.. that venue looks awesome

and this was only 8 weeks ago too

 

[baselinepanther]

interesting that federal money has been set aside to realign parkes way to accomodate the venue ... not sure what would be a better option , moving the east bound lanes to the south by about 50 metres , or a tunnel under the sthn end of the new stadium

 

[Suitman]

yes ...this is an artists impression of how it would look in civic .. yes its jammed up at the sthn end ... but im not gunna lie.. that venue looks awesome

and this was only 8 weeks ago too

I can't see the pic.
Can you post a link?

 

[ash the bash]

It's not going to happen anytime soon, definitely not in the first half of this decade.

Both parties know that there really isn't space for it in Civic anymore, and that even if they did try to squash it onto the Civic Pool site there's not enough space to build a big enough stadium to meet the cities needs. It would also be prohibitively expensive and extremely disruptive to the city, and they can't really afford to do that while they are also building the second phase of light rail through the city.

So now Labour is trying to buy time in the hope that it'll become palatable to stakeholders for it to be built in another location where there's more space, such as the current site in Bruce or at Epic. It won't work because building it in Bruce or at Epic won't fix any of the major problems with the stadium, but they'll try to convince everybody anyway.

On top of all that, both parties, but particularly Labour, also really want to build an oval, and think that if they procrastinate enough that they might be able to convince the major stakeholders around to the idea as well.
Of course that won't work because a "multipurpose" stadium would destroy the Raiders and Brumbies business (you're in relocation territory if that happens), but the government doesn't want to have to spend the money to maintain two major stadiums if they can avoid it, and Labour also seems to want to do everything in their power to build Canberra in Melbourne's image. Barr also dreams of appeasing the AFL enough that they give Canberra it's own AFL team, which will also never happen for a bunch of reasons.

Basically the whole situation is a shit show and the only way Canberra gets a new stadium this decade is if either the federal government steps in with federal funding, which almost certainly won't happen, or if some of the major sports step in and actively try to force the governments hand, which is also pretty unlikely and if one did it would probably be the AFL which would be bad for the rectangular sports.

Is it worth exploring having a Central coast like stadium, one end with no stands which faces the Highway and other 3 stands having 2 tiers each. Capacity of around 25K.

 

[Perth Red]

I can't see the pic.
Can you post a link?

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/st...ch-but-the-location-of-canberras-new-stadium/

QUOTE="ash the bash, post: 14472826, member: 6928"]Is it worth exploring having a Central coast like stadium, one end with no stands which faces the Highway and other 3 stands having 2 tiers each. Capacity of around 25K.[/QUOTE]

In somewhere as cold as canberra in winter as enclosed a stadium as possible would be advantageous I’d have thought?

 

[Suitman]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/st...ch-but-the-location-of-canberras-new-stadium/

Thankyou. That's a tight site.

Personally, I don't think an enclosed stadium is a necessity in Canberra and an unnecessary luxury. Canberran's are used to attending matches in cold temps and having a fully enclosed stadium would significantly add to costs.
I actually think that while we have a rugby league loving PM, the ACT, the NRL, RA and the FFA should all be binding together to push the feds for a significant funding arrangement. It has happened elsewhere (Townsville for example).
A city stadium (rectangular only ffs) is a no brainer for Canberra. It can be done on the cheap like Bankwest was, which is still a magnificent stadium.

 

[Perth Red]

Thankyou. That's a tight site.

Personally, I don't think an enclosed stadium is a necessity in Canberra and an unnecessary luxury. Canberran's are used to attending matches in cold temps and having a fully enclosed stadium would significantly add to costs.
I actually think that while we have a rugby league loving PM, the ACT, the NRL, RA and the FFA should all be binding together to push the feds for a significant funding arrangement. It has happened elsewhere (Townsville for example).
A city stadium (rectangular only ffs) is a no brainer for Canberra. It can be done on the cheap like Bankwest was, which is still a magnificent stadium.

leaving the Sydney mess aside canberra and Auckland are now the only two nrl club cities left without decent stadiums.

 

[Suitman]

leaving the Sydney mess aside canberra and Auckland are now the only two nrl club cities left without decent stadiums.

Yep, that's true.

 

[ash the bash]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/st...ch-but-the-location-of-canberras-new-stadium/

QUOTE="ash the bash, post: 14472826, member: 6928"]Is it worth exploring having a Central coast like stadium, one end with no stands which faces the Highway and other 3 stands having 2 tiers each. Capacity of around 25K.

In somewhere as cold as canberra in winter as enclosed a stadium as possible would be advantageous I’d have thought?[/QUOTE]

No reason they can't have a screen going around the whole stadium and have a field level bar at that end of the ground. Agree its not ideal but a compromise for having the stadium in the right location for the ACT.

 

[mongoose]

I did some very rough measurements on google maps. Bankwest takes up nearly 80,000sqm of land. That space where the Pool is in Civic is barely 55,000sqm....

 

[unforgiven]

Tribalism is hurting them, there's folk who wholeheartedly support the wests tigers, then there's the Wests fans, and then theres the Balmain fans, they all want to see the team do well, but are never united because of the heritage of the past two teams, one location will go along way to solve this issue, but is it at Leichardt or Campbelltown?
The upside of Campbelltown is the growth area in population and fanbase, downside is the distance and sponsors from where the Balmain area can deliver, but the leichardt ground is terrible for access other than bus and walk from Victoria road, parking is absolute bullshit.. its become this tug o war with their fans for a long time, all my mates are wests tigers fans, if Liverpool stadium was a go, it could be a start to a solution, that could blossom into a very strong club, then there's the board factions.. basically Wests Ashfield own this club, if they wanted to revert to magpies, Ala Northern Eagles/Manly Sea Eagles they could, maybe they should? But the "Tigers" Branding is strong, and fan backlash probably is keeping them honest enough not to do so

Wests can't actually revert back to the Magpies.

The one home ground is a discussion that is currently being had amongst the fanbase and with the club. The issue is there is no perfect solution that appeases everyone or even a majority of people. This is an issue the fanbase is really divided on, there is even a large push from sections of the fanbase for the one home ground to be the new SFS. That is how divided the issue is, there is one solution that is close to perfect but it is the less likely to occur.

 

[The Great Dane]

yes ...this is an artists impression of how it would look in civic .. yes its jammed up at the sthn end ... but im not gunna lie.. that venue looks awesome

and this was only 8 weeks ago too

That artists impression is almost a decade old, it was part of the city to the lake project. It is not based on any blueprint nor an architects design.
You'll notice that it doesn't have a roof and that even in the artist impression a full bowl doesn't fit on the site, basically it's a BS fantasy and the end product won't look anything like it.

The government has already admitted that 20k is about all that will fit on the site, even if Parkes Way is moved, and frankly a 20k stadium simply isn't feasible as the main stadium for a city the size of Canberra.

Is it worth exploring having a Central coast like stadium, one end with no stands which faces the Highway and other 3 stands having 2 tiers each. Capacity of around 25K.

Thankyou. That's a tight site.

Personally, I don't think an enclosed stadium is a necessity in Canberra and an unnecessary luxury. Canberran's are used to attending matches in cold temps and having a fully enclosed stadium would significantly add to costs.
I actually think that while we have a rugby league loving PM, the ACT, the NRL, RA and the FFA should all be binding together to push the feds for a significant funding arrangement. It has happened elsewhere (Townsville for example).
A city stadium (rectangular only ffs) is a no brainer for Canberra. It can be done on the cheap like Bankwest was, which is still a magnificent stadium.

Nope it has to be enclosed.

If it's enclosed you could basically add roughly 5k to any attendance just on that fact alone and it can be used as an arena for rock concerts and traveling shows, which would be invaluable. Basically it being enclosed would have such a massive impact in a city like Canberra that it should basically be treated as an indispensable feature.

And again, to make it as clear as possible to everyone, unless you are eating into commonwealth park or onto ANU grounds (both of which are extremely unlikely to happen), there isn't anywhere in Civic where a Bankwest clone (or anything similar) would fit without knocking down buildings, which definitely isn't happening.

We're basically at the point where a stadium in Civic isn't reasonably feasible unless it's one that doesn't fit the city's needs, and we should just accept that to get the best result it will have to be built in one of the other large city centres (i.e. Woden, Belconnen, Tuggeranong, or Gungahlin).
As the city centre that is second closest to the centre of Canberra Woden would probably be the best result IMO, but hypothetically you could build it in any of the others and it would still be a better outcome than somewhere like Bruce or Epic.

 

[unforgiven]

thats the sort of thinking that’s holding the game back. It’s not parras stadium, it’s a state of the art stadium for western Sydney. Like you said if you try to please everybody you usually end up pleasing no one. Campbelltown draws sht crowds, it’s seems fans don’t really care about it.

Sub 10k
12k
Sub 10k
Sub 10k
12k

avg crowd at Campbeltown last few years

Interestingly the Magpies Canterbury Cup team as all but abandoned Campbelltown and returned to Lidcombe Oval for next year.

 

[Vee]

I don't know why everyone keeps thinking a new rectangular stadium in Civic is even possible. Barr spends the money on the fumblers to attract more from them. He already has the Raiders and Brumbies with no realistic options for them elsewhere, he doesn't need to spend money on them unless things change.

 

[The Great Dane]

I don't know why everyone keeps thinking a new rectangular stadium in Civic is even possible. Barr spends the money on the fumblers to attract more from them. He already has the Raiders and Brumbies with no realistic options for them elsewhere, he doesn't need to spend money on them unless things change.

Barr won't be around forever, and it wouldn't take too much for things to change.

For example any of the A-league bid finally getting up, the Brumbies going broke, or the NSW government getting involved (they've shown a willingness to work with the Raiders and Brumbies in exchange for favours before), would totally throw things on their head for better or worse.