Rumours and Stuff

[Glenneel]

OK @Poupou Escobar how are you going to get out of this one mate. Your ridiculous criticism of Sterlo in regards to B. Smith's thoughts, so much so that I didn't even bother to respond to because they were so asinine. I mean Sterlo may not have the tactical intellect of BS, not many do, but to suggest he can't see and assess something so obvious and simple as not picking your mark in defense is moronic as usual on your part.

But in this video Sterlo does it for me in such a clear and precise way that even you can see that our whole defensive structure out wide has no idea what they should do. These players are training constantly on different defensive patterns coming at them in a game, so how are they getting it so freakin wrong during game time? Or are they not getting the right coaching? I'll ask again, how can you get it so wrong week after week, year after year, with different players too? Even when we win against the lesser teams, there are times during the game that we see exactly the same crap unfolding, it's just that against the lesser teams we can dominate them enough with the ball in hand and our monster pack so we eventually come out on top.

But this problem has never been solved no matter who is in our backline when playing the better teams in particular. It has to be the coaching. They must be clueless. I mean, if the coaching staff is picking up on what is going wrong and getting them to repeat defensive drills a thousand times with this type of offensive structure coming at them, surely even just through simple muscle memory they should respond automatically and get it right, right?.

What Sterlo is showing here doesn't need super footballing prowess, intellect or speed. This is just basic 101 outside back defensive drills that ALL NRL standard backs should be nailing. It isn't anything special being thrown at them. Hell these star shapes and block plays should be like shelling peas to players by now.

All I can say is that we either have the stupidest players in the NRL playing in our backline or our coaching is just out of touch with what is actually going on. This should be a very, very simple fix and yet as fans we are subjected to watching these defensive failures weekly and tearing our hair out(for those who still have fair) because we can see it coming a mile away and the people employed and paid to, are either incapable to fix it or don't really understand the problem enough to address it correctly in the first place.

But anyway, everything is fine and our coaching methods are great. They are the best our club can attract. Teams are just better then us and until we get better players to replace the ones that we have, nothing can be done. Oh and with the salary cap being in place we can't afford better players otherwise we will need to weaken other areas of our team to get better defensive outside backs. Oh and don't you know, these sorts of players don't grow on tree. Did I cover your ridiculous standard reply to anything related to us not playing well? If not, so sorry, I'm sure you will point it out and prove that you are right and how we are so wrong. After all as you have stated, there aren't many that can match you and Brian Smith for footy tactical nous and intellect.

So I wait with baited breath for you to school once me again master bhagwan pou.

It is abundantly clear in the 2 examples Sterlo used that Jake has nfi in defence and perhaps Opacic is covering for this deficiency by taking what should be Jake's man leaving Fergo with 2 attackers. Because on the other side he didn't have this much trouble. With Dyl back hopefully that'll be fixed and our right side will be much much better, finally, going forward. Still points to poor coaching that Jake is still so bad in D.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So if Arthurs defense isn't ready and that is what cost us why did BA pick him?
We had genuine options in Matterson and Bryce to play 5/8.

Maybe the problem was more that his team mates weren't ready to trust him. Anyway it was good for his development and we had enough points in the bank that it hasn't hurt our ladder position. We should've beaten Manly but not Souths. Will those two points come back to haunt us at season's end?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Still points to poor coaching that Jake is still so bad in D.

it was a good post until you mentioned this, the kid is 18 years old, in his first season of senior footy in his 3rd NRL game, and it’s poor coaching he gets carved up by one of the better NRL left side attacks....

That is experience not poor coaching...

 

[TheRam]

Arthur seems to be a decent attacker but may have the same problem as Moses did.

Mate he is only 18 yrs old and, the tries let in on his side on the weekend were mainly due to the middle not pushing out fast enough and then Opecic not having confidence in him to make the tackle so he came in to assist and cut Arthur out completely which then left Fergo in no mans land again.

It is a knock on affect that comes down to fear. We should be working on these types of offensive structures in defensive drills all day long at training if need be. You can't just stick a 18year old out there and then not have confidence in him to make his tackles. That should have been spotted at training and addressed from the get go. If he can do it at training then why have no confidence in him during the game? If he can't do it at training then he would(you'd hope) never have been picked in the first place.

But it isn't just Arthur anyway is it? As we all know this has been happening forever no matter who we have had in our backline. Under pressure our backline defensive structures fail regularly enough to be exploited by smart teams because they can see the indecision and confusion every time our players are tested with numbers and one on ones out wide. They just need to play up tempo footy and quick play the balls, quickly spread the ball out after hitting the middle 3rd with momentum and we are done and dusted. Hardly genius play from the opposition, but seems to rattle us to no end almost every time.

Yeah sure, it will improve a little when D. Brown comes back in, because he is such a good defender, but it still will not fix the problem overall because this is a fundamental misunderstanding of defensive practices and what to actually do under certain attacking raids. Players are not making the right decisions on when to hold, rush up, come in or out and who their defensive mark should be and how to use the sideline. This is a coaching issue. These guys are NRL standard players that are made to look like C graders out there. Why????

BA needs to get this worked out quick or another season will be gone and wasted for a very basic and fundamental process going wrong.

 

[Gazzamatta]

it was a good post until you mentioned this, the kid is 18 years old, in his first season of senior footy in his 3rd NRL game, and it’s poor coaching he gets carved up by one of the better NRL left side attacks....

That is experience not poor coaching...

We may never know JTE. Possibly GE is referring to the selection of Jrthur in the first place or the need for Oppy to cover Jruther. Was Oppy instructed to do this? Oppy has proven to be an outstanding defender yet he's doubled up. Like I said. We may never know but the buck stops with the coaching team.

 

[eel01s]

Again you're missing the point of what is actually happening. These guys are not missing tackles because they can't tackle or are being wrong footed or aren't strong enough at the point of collision. They are missing their tackles because of a lack of understanding of what is happening in front of them and just making the wrong decisions.

It doesn't matter who we have had in the backline or how or where we place them. It is a complete misunderstanding of the offensive play unfolding. This comes down to coaching drills and multiple similar scenarios to get it right. The players need to be taught these defensive fundamentals from scratch. They are lost out there and the lack of confidence in one another is so bleeding obvious it isn't funny.

That confidence will only come if they all understand what is happening, know how to count numbers correctly, know who each team mate should be focusing on to tackle and then they can nail their own defensive assignments without much noise going on in their respective heads. As Sterlo has stated, it isn't a difficult issue to address. But it needs to be identified correctly and then all the different scenarios need to be practiced, practiced, practiced to the point of it being a reflex action not a, "o oh what the fu*k do I do?" response as we have at present.

Good points Ram.

I will put this out there: the reason we can't defend against this simple play is simple. Have a look at our attack. If we can't run a simple play like this ourselves how are we supposed to train against it? Who is running the plays in attack to test the NRL defence at training?

This is quite clearly a coaching issue.

 

[hindy111]

Mate he is only 18 yrs old and, the tries let in on his side on the weekend were mainly due to the middle not pushing out fast enough and then Opecic not having confidence in him to make the tackle so he came in to assist and cut Arthur out completely which then left Fergo in no mans land again.

It is a knock on affect that comes down to fear. We should be working on these types of offensive structures in defensive drills all day long at training if need be. You can't just stick a 18year old out there and then not have confidence in him to make his tackles. That should have been spotted at training and addressed from the get go. If he can do it at training then why have no confidence in him during the game? If he can't do it at training then he would(you'd hope) never have been picked in the first place.

But it isn't just Arthur anyway is it? As we all know this has been happening forever no matter who we have had in our backline. Under pressure our backline defensive structures fail regularly enough to be exploited by smart teams because they can see the indecision and confusion every time our players are tested with numbers and one on ones out wide. They just need to play up tempo footy and quick play the balls, quickly spread the ball out after hitting the middle 3rd with momentum and we are done and dusted. Hardly genius play from the opposition, but seems to rattle us to no end almost every time.

Yeah sure, it will improve a little when D. Brown comes back in, because he is such a good defender, but it still will not fix the problem overall because this is a fundamental misunderstanding of defensive practices and what to actually do under certain attacking raids. Players are not making the right decisions on when to hold, rush up, come in or out and who their defensive mark should be and how to use the sideline. This is a coaching issue. These guys are NRL standard players that are made to look like C graders out there. Why????

BA needs to get this worked out quick or another season will be gone and wasted for a very basic and fundamental process going wrong.

I'd sack Kidwell before the end of week and ring up Dean Pay.
Next move sack the peanut running attack and ring Jason Taylor in immediately.
End of discussion.

 

[emjaycee]

OK @Poupou Escobar how are you going to get out of this one mate. Your ridiculous criticism of Sterlo in regards to B. Smith's thoughts, so much so that I didn't even bother to respond to because they were so asinine. I mean Sterlo may not have the tactical intellect of BS, not many do, but to suggest he can't see and assess something so obvious and simple as not picking your mark in defense is moronic as usual on your part.

But in this video Sterlo does it for me in such a clear and precise way that even you can see that our whole defensive structure out wide has no idea what they should do. These players are training constantly on different defensive patterns coming at them in a game, so how are they getting it so freakin wrong during game time? Or are they not getting the right coaching? I'll ask again, how can you get it so wrong week after week, year after year, with different players too? Even when we win against the lesser teams, there are times during the game that we see exactly the same crap unfolding, it's just that against the lesser teams we can dominate them enough with the ball in hand and our monster pack so we eventually come out on top.

But this problem has never been solved no matter who is in our backline when playing the better teams in particular. It has to be the coaching. They must be clueless. I mean, if the coaching staff is picking up on what is going wrong and getting them to repeat defensive drills a thousand times with this type of offensive structure coming at them, surely even just through simple muscle memory they should respond automatically and get it right, right?.

What Sterlo is showing here doesn't need super footballing prowess, intellect or speed. This is just basic 101 outside back defensive drills that ALL NRL standard backs should be nailing. It isn't anything special being thrown at them. Hell these star shapes and block plays should be like shelling peas to players by now.

All I can say is that we either have the stupidest players in the NRL playing in our backline or our coaching is just out of touch with what is actually going on. This should be a very, very simple fix and yet as fans we are subjected to watching these defensive failures weekly and tearing our hair out(for those who still have fair) because we can see it coming a mile away and the people employed and paid to, are either incapable to fix it or don't really understand the problem enough to address it correctly in the first place.

But anyway, everything is fine and our coaching methods are great. They are the best our club can attract. Teams are just better then us and until we get better players to replace the ones that we have, nothing can be done. Oh and with the salary cap being in place we can't afford better players otherwise we will need to weaken other areas of our team to get better defensive outside backs. Oh and don't you know, these sorts of players don't grow on tree. Did I cover your ridiculous standard reply to anything related to us not playing well? If not, so sorry, I'm sure you will point it out and prove that you are right and how we are so wrong. After all as you have stated, there aren't many that can match you and Brian Smith for footy tactical nous and intellect.

So I wait with baited breath for you to school once me again master bhagwan pou.

#bated

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Mate he is only 18 yrs old and, the tries let in on his side on the weekend were mainly due to the middle not pushing out fast enough and then Opecic not having confidence in him to make the tackle so he came in to assist and cut Arthur out completely which then left Fergo in no mans land again.

It is a knock on affect that comes down to fear. We should be working on these types of offensive structures in defensive drills all day long at training if need be. You can't just stick a 18year old out there and then not have confidence in him to make his tackles. That should have been spotted at training and addressed from the get go. If he can do it at training then why have no confidence in him during the game? If he can't do it at training then he would(you'd hope) never have been picked in the first place.

But it isn't just Arthur anyway is it? As we all know this has been happening forever no matter who we have had in our backline. Under pressure our backline defensive structures fail regularly enough to be exploited by smart teams because they can see the indecision and confusion every time our players are tested with numbers and one on ones out wide. They just need to play up tempo footy and quick play the balls, quickly spread the ball out after hitting the middle 3rd with momentum and we are done and dusted. Hardly genius play from the opposition, but seems to rattle us to no end almost every time.

Yeah sure, it will improve a little when D. Brown comes back in, because he is such a good defender, but it still will not fix the problem overall because this is a fundamental misunderstanding of defensive practices and what to actually do under certain attacking raids. Players are not making the right decisions on when to hold, rush up, come in or out and who their defensive mark should be and how to use the sideline. This is a coaching issue. These guys are NRL standard players that are made to look like C graders out there. Why????

BA needs to get this worked out quick or another season will be gone and wasted for a very basic and fundamental process going wrong.

The difference at training is that nobody's ruthless like they are in a game. They're all mates and nothing is on the line.

 

[TheRam]

Good points Ram.

I will put this out there: the reason we can't defend against this simple play is simple. Have a look at our attack. If we can't run a simple play like this ourselves how are we supposed to train against it? Who is running the plays in attack to test the NRL defence at training?

This is quite clearly a coaching issue.

You may have a point in this, because our attack also lack a lot of imagination too. If we didn't have such a powerful pack we would basically have no attack at all.

 

[TheRam]

#bated

Yeah sorry, thanks. My bad.

 

[TheRam]

The difference at training is that nobody's ruthless like they are in a game. They're all mates and nothing is on the line.

Hahahahahahaha...

Yeah sure mate whatever you say. These are not aggressive plays, but strategic and process types of drills that we are referring to here. If they practice these at training, brain and muscle memory will kick in during the game and they will have confidence in the players around them to execute correctly because they have all done it together a bazillion times at training.

We hear all the time that modern training habits today are all about simulating a game like environment. Also Cartwright broke his jaw during training this last offseason, so I'm sure our training is intense enough. What seems to be missing though is the right types of drills that they are executing. They seem to be strangers who have no clue what any of their mates are doing and are confused as to how to deal with numbers in attack. They also struggle to work out how to work over and attack teams that defend solidly within the red zone.

They need help. Help that doesn't seem to be there at present.

 

[TheRam]

Also on being able to defend against these types of attacking raids and structures. After a while of set and repeat, set and repeat, set and repeat..., defensive training drills, you are not only resetting the brain and body to respond automatically to these types of attacking structures, but your eyes see and recognise the different types of formations developing instantaneously and you aren't actually having to count the numbers, the shape itself is programmed in your head and your body responds instinctively.

It then takes an extraordinary act or player in the attacking raid to overwhelm your lines defences. We are miles from that confidence and instinctive understanding at present.

 

[gaffer]

I'd sack Kidwell before the end of week and ring up Dean Pay.
Next move sack the peanut running attack and ring Jason Taylor in immediately.
End of discussion.

kidwell should of been gone last year. I think all he does is make sure arthurs water bottles are lined up in a row in the coaches box at game day

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hahahahahahaha...

Yeah sure mate whatever you say. These are not aggressive plays, but strategic and process types of drills that we are referring to here. If they practice these at training, brain and muscle memory will kick in during the game and they will have confidence in the players around them to execute correctly because they have all done it together a bazillion times at training.

We hear all the time that modern training habits today are all about simulating a game like environment. Also Cartwright broke his jaw during training this last offseason, so I'm sure our training is intense enough. What seems to be missing though is the right types of drills that they are executing. They seem to be strangers who have no clue what any of their mates are doing and are confused as to how to deal with numbers in attack. They also struggle to work out how to work over and attack teams that defend solidly within the red zone.

They need help. Help that doesn't seem to be there at present.

My point is they will let Arthur attempt his tackles on his own at training because they know he won't get destroyed by fans on social media if he lets a try in. Nobody at training is going to intentionally try to hurt him to put him off his game. Come match day and the opposition don't give a f**k about Jake Arthur. They are there to hurt him, humiliate him, and win, and his mates want to protect him from that.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Also on being able to defend against these types of attacking raids and structures. After a while of set and repeat, set and repeat, set and repeat..., defensive training drills, you are not only resetting the brain and body to respond automatically to these types of attacking structures, but your eyes see and recognise the different types of formations developing instantaneously and you aren't actually having to count the numbers, the shape itself is programmed in your head and your body responds instinctively.

It then takes an extraordinary act or player in the attacking raid to overwhelm your lines defences. We are miles from that confidence and instinctive understanding at present.

We were doing just fine before Dylan Brown got suspended. His outside men have full confidence in him, that only comes from seeing him repeatedly (over multiple seasons) prove his ability and resilience.

 

[hineyrulz]

Lol us horrible fans on social media at it again.

 

[84 Baby]

Yeah sorry, thanks. My bad.

He of course meant to substitute Bhagwan with bated

 

[TheRam]

My point is they will let Arthur attempt his tackles on his own at training because they know he won't get destroyed by fans on social media if he lets a try in. Nobody at training is going to intentionally try to hurt him to put him off his game. Come match day and the opposition don't give a f**k about Jake Arthur. They are there to hurt him, humiliate him, and win, and his mates want to protect him from that.

Oh please. If at training they are not letting him fail so he can then succeed then they are stupider the you for thinking that way.

This is professional sport mate, not Pou's friendly Indian family dance get together playoffs.

 

[T-Boon]

kidwell should of been gone last year. I think all he does is make sure arthurs water bottles are lined up in a row in the coaches box at game day

Every time they threaten to sack him he tells them things will improve he will just get some thicker glasses.