The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Vibing]

"We" as in the Goverment (Collective governments over time) - perfectly valid statement.. after all, Labour takes over the same set of financials, the same portfolio of responsibilities.

Is it really that hard to accept that they campaigned on a change in priorities, got a MANDATE from the electorate to change priorities, and are now acting in accordance to that?

so when PVL says.... They... as in the govt
its different ?
LOL

 

[flippikat]

so when PVL says.... They... as in the govt
its different ?
LOL

In short, yes. There's a difference between now & the past.

Every Government has to deal with the decisions of past administrations - they act as custodians of the power of Government - so everything from the historical wrongs of early Governmants to deferred maintenance over the last few years is owned by the lot that occupy office now.

Now that feeds into decisions made by the current Government, BUT - and this is the important bit - they're not bound by it.


The only exception is if contracts are signed & they can't extricate themselves from it. Usually that's when work has begun & its crazy to stop a project mid-build.

Ideally a new Government is bound by the mandate that the election gives them based on their manifesto.

That's democracy

 

[Wb1234]

OR the NRL could actually get creative with games. Run of the mill club games at accor are as horrible as games a shtty suburban grounds.
However if a Ch9 Friday night blockbuster game was scheduled at Accor every week featuring all sydney clashes, members of both clubs get in, and members of any other club gets in for 50% normal ticket price, NRL supports with marketing and a bit of cash to participating clubs, kids get in free, make it a must do event in Sydney every Friday night with a beer village outside the stadium with bands etc etc then we could use accor every week but at least try and get something positive out of its use and maximise the fact we have an over proliferation of clubs in one city. Of course would require Ch9 to not shown the Broncos lol

Wow

an idea from the 60s (match of the day was at the scg every Sunday and got massive crowds)

 

[Vee]

How much money have the Queensland and Victorian governments spent on rectangular stadiums in the last ten years in Melbourne or Brisbane? A damn sight less than the New South Wales government has spent, that's for sure.

Neither Qld or Victoria have needed to spend money on rectangular stadiums in the last 10 years.

 

[Vibing]

In short, yes. There's a difference between now & the past.

Every Government has to deal with the decisions of past administrations - they act as custodians of the power of Government - so everything from the historical wrongs of early Governmants to deferred maintenance over the last few years is owned by the lot that occupy office now.

Now that feeds into decisions made by the current Government, BUT - and this is the important bit - they're not bound by it.


The only exception is if contracts are signed & they can't extricate themselves from it. Usually that's when work has begun & its crazy to stop a project mid-build.

Ideally a new Government is bound by the mandate that the election gives them based on their manifesto.

That's democracy

Thats horses for courses

PVL is completely right to see & treat the govt as the govt & expect deals organised with one are honored by the next.
This notion that he has no right to do this on behalf of his sport is utter baloney

 

[MugaB]

Height of arrogance and stupidity.

Same as it ever was.

 

[flippikat]

Thats horses for courses

PVL is completely right to see & treat the govt as the govt & expect deals organised with one are honored by the next.
This notion that he has no right to do this on behalf of his sport is utter baloney

Depends on if there's a signed contract.

If there's a contract, it needs to either be honored or paid out - regardless who occupies the seat of power.

No contract, no compulsion to honor anything.

 

[Timbo]

It also doesn't seem to have occured to the people who are demanding this thing get built that governments who are on their way out often make outlandish promises that they never planned on keeping so that they can attack the incoming government when they walk it back.

 

[Captain Apollo]

because they said they would dummy
committed 2 Billion to stadiums that the NRL use

then reneged about 800 mill shy of that figure
thats why

doesn't matter it was the previous Govt
honor the deal

Sorry Vibing that logic won't fly. If you went up to Minns with that argument I could imagine his response would be along the lines of "Well, we didn't agree with it, we made that very clear in the run up to the election, and people voted for us. As such the voting public indicated its preference." He would very clearly point to it as a mandate from the people, which as far as any politician is concerned is the major factor.

Additionally, (IIRC) there was no signed agreement so you have buckleys of winning that argument. Ethically you may have a point, but legally? Nope.

It also doesn't seem to have occured to the people who are demanding this thing get built that governments who are on their way out often make outlandish promises that they never planned on keeping so that they can attack the incoming government when they walk it back.

Indeed. Should we all now be demanding on Minns and co to honour Perrottet's proposed kid savings plan?

 

[Vibing]

Depends on if there's a signed contract.

If there's a contract, it needs to either be honored or paid out - regardless who occupies the seat of power.

No contract, no compulsion to honor anything.

So
the NRL should show goodwill , but not expect any ?

yea
nah ..

 

[Vibing]

Sorry Vibing that logic won't fly. If you went up to Minns with that argument I could imagine his response would be along the lines of "Well, we didn't agree with it, we made that very clear in the run up to the election, and people voted for us. As such the voting public indicated its preference." He would very clearly point to it as a mandate from the people, which as far as any politician is concerned is the major factor.

Additionally, (IIRC) there was no signed agreement so you have buckleys of winning that argument. Ethically you may have a point, but legally? Nope.



Indeed. Should we all now be demanding on Minns and co to honour Perrottet's proposed kid savings plan?

then
Minns logic will see the GF quite rightly flogged off .... not much more need be said
PVL & the NRL are .. quite within their rights too, nothing is owed to this govt or any other for that matter.

 

[Timbo]

So
the NRL should show goodwill , but not expect any ?

yea
nah ..

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You're right. In the time that Peter V'landys has been chairman, there hasn't been so much as an ounce of goodwill from the NSW taxpayer towards the code.

 

[flippikat]

So
the NRL should show goodwill , but not expect any ?

yea
nah ..

It's a huge leap to think that a Government of completely different political stripes will BY DEFAULT honor the promises of the previous administration.

One would have to either be naive or lack understanding of the fundamentals of drmocracy, or both.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

so when the ALP NSW Govt says to the NRL ... WE .. already built 1.6 Billion in stadia for you , & PVL says..
no you didn't
the other mob did

how is that any different exactly ?
talk about horses for courses arguments

the point is they already got 1.6B in stadia out of the taxpayer. The new government is under no obligation to keep spending.

 

[Vibing]

the point is they already got 1.6B in stadia out of the taxpayer. The new government is under no obligation to keep spending.

No
the point is Govts claiming on one hand they don't have to honor any policies of the previous govt , but claim the work the previous govt did as an excuse not to do anymore

If thats the case then pay for our GF , or wave it bye bye
they're the choices

The NRL is under no obligation either

 

[Vibing]

It's a huge leap to think that a Government of completely different political stripes will BY DEFAULT honor the promises of the previous administration.

One would have to either be naive or lack understanding of the fundamentals of drmocracy, or both.

the NRL is not a democracy
people claiming here that because 1.6 Bill has been spent on stadiums , then thats enough ... are the niave ones

if the govt " chooses" to not honor deals then thats fine
the NRL can" choose "to play their GF where they see fit

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Then let the GF go. If PVL wants to whore it off to the highest bidder the government shouldn't bend over and spend hundreds of millions to indulge him.

 

[Vibing]

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You're right. In the time that Peter V'landys has been chairman, there hasn't been so much as an ounce of goodwill from the NSW taxpayer towards the code.

2 Bill worth of stadia that we don't use exclusively was the deal
we're not there yet ( still 800 mill off )
the agreement wasn't honored

the NRL is exercising its rights in insisting it is or.... its GF is up for grabs
its simple.

 

[Vibing]

Then let the GF go. If PVL wants to whore it off to the highest bidder the government shouldn't bend over and spend hundreds of millions to indulge him.

he'd only be keeping up with the deal breaking whores in Macquarie St

 

[Perth Red]

Seems pretty simple to me.
NRL has the GF as a lever. If NSW Govt want to keep the GF they either need to keep spending on stadiums OR offer to buy it at a price acceptable to the NRL.
If they dont then NRL has to decide what it wants to do with the GF. Turn it into a Superbowl event and sell it as a major event around Australia and even overseas and reap some decent revenue out of it, but probably pss off the old timer NSW fans and media, or keep it in Sydney, lose face and money but keep people happy. What we dont want is this annual GF MAY be moved BS that we currently have.

If NSW buys it or it goes on road then we are back to the thorny issue of Sydney stadiums and thinking of a different way to having all NRL clubs playing out of modern stadia within a few years.